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Post by alum on Sept 18, 2020 8:56:50 GMT -5
Bucknell btw has had 17 cases in six weeks - only 6 in the past three weeks. They continue to test everyone every 10 days as well as monitoring the waste water. Total number of tests thus far is 21,400, making the pct of positives 0.08%. About 91% of students opted to return to campus, as opposed to watching classes via the internet. Colgate has had similar success, although they test less frequently. bison-- I am sure you noticed that the PC outbreak appears to be centered among off campus residents. At some other schools, outbreaks have been tied to Greek life. I know that Bucknell has some Greek life, but do many kids live off campus? I would like to see some studies as to whether colleges which test very aggressively will do better in getting the kids to follow the rules because the kids know that if they or their friends do test positive that they will be quarantined, or worse, sent home. Maybe at schools with less testing, they take their chances? That seems like a good topic for an independent study second semester for some psych major.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Sept 18, 2020 9:46:50 GMT -5
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Post by hcpride on Sept 18, 2020 9:47:16 GMT -5
Apparently it is PC's off campus kids who are getting infected, they are now banned from campus, and the in-person classes have been shifted to remote for a week.
HC has proven that even when all classes are remote, off campus kids still get infected (parties, etc.) and recover. Who knew?
(I haven't seen many accounts of college kids getting infected while indoors, on campus, and in class...that might be counterintuitive for some...)
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Post by hcpride on Sept 18, 2020 10:06:32 GMT -5
There are likely to be outbreaks at every college that had students return to campus for in person learning. It is just a matter of time before each school faces its crisis. I agree. Not sure about the word crisis but I am certain all colleges have enrolled students who have or had Covid. (Some at home with parents, some living off campus nearby, some in a faraway apartments, and some on campus. Rumor has it community college kids also get together socially and catch/spread covid.)
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Sept 18, 2020 12:58:50 GMT -5
Geographically isolated campuses, such as Lewisburg and Hamilton, where there is little travel should do well. Not so for colleges in Worcester, or Providence. On Wednesday, Massachusetts downgraded the city of Worcester from yellow to red, the lowest classification. Cities that are in the red receive special attention from the state. Problem colleges, e.g., BC, also receive special attention. New cases per 100,000 last seven daysProvidence County 69 Madison County NY 7 (Worcester has had more total cases than the total # of residents in Hamilton) Union County PA 73 (33 total cases, but population is low so cases per 100,000 is high). Either Bucknell, the prison, or spillover from nearby Centre County (home of PSU where the number of cases has soared) or a combination appears to be the cause/ ) For Union Co, see table, not the map. www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/pennsylvania-coronavirus-cases.htmlWorcester County 30
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Post by bison137 on Sept 18, 2020 17:16:48 GMT -5
A lot of it depends on management and the plan that is developed. Small town colleges in Pennsylvania have had very different results, With a lot depending on the competency of the administration. Bucknell and Susquehanna, for example, have had no problems thus far. Both had very well developed plans to reopen and had constant testing. Gettysburg and Bloomsburg - also located in small rural PA towns - In contrast have had Covid blow up and had to close down the campus. What those colleges did differently than Colgate and Bucknell is that they had no cogent plan for reopening. For example Gettysburg did not test students at all until they were already on campus.
There is no question that there is some luck involved, but much of the difference in early outcomes is due to the difference in reopening plans.
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Post by bison137 on Sept 18, 2020 17:23:57 GMT -5
Union County PA the 73 (33 total cases, but population is low so cases per 100,000 is high). Either Bucknell, the prison, or spillover from nearby Centre County (home of PSU where the number of cases has soared) or a combination appears to be the cause/ ) For Union Co, see table, not the map. www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/pennsylvania-coronavirus-cases.htmlWorcester County 30 ]Bucknell has had almost no covid and has not affected the Union county numbers. There are two issues there. First, the prison has had Covid cases, not only among the inmates but also among the guards - many of whom were temporarily transferred and returned with Covid. They were then required to go into quarantine. Secondly, two senior living facilities/nursing homes had outbreaks of Covid in the spring. All but one of the deaths In Union county are from those places. Penn State is not really an issue, since their campus is 70 minutes from Buchnell and most of the area in between is corn fields. Not a lot of interaction between the two.
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Post by hcpride on Sept 18, 2020 17:29:11 GMT -5
FWIW New Haven continues to be very low in terms of positive tests and Yale has produced a grand total of 12 positive student tests since August 1, 2020. And they are testing to beat the band (over 8,000 in just the last 7 days alone). Yale undergrads on campus who are asymptomatic take Covid tests twice a week. covid19.yale.edu/yale-statistics (New Haven stats are on the same page.) Apparently Yale's isolation room capacity is at 1%. So 99% of space is available. Talk about isolation. Since we are talking students we are obviously not talking serious health concerns but the numbers are interesting (as numbers often are).
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Post by longsuffering on Sept 18, 2020 21:04:19 GMT -5
The Holy Cross brain trust worked on the HC opening plan all summer. Apparently they were not able to implement strict controls on off-campus students. In retrospect a better approach for second semester might be to restrict campus access to only students living in the dorms and all students living off campus attend classes remotely with no access to campus facilities. if they can legally restrict dorm residents from interacting with off campus students away from the campus, as a condition of being allowed to live on campus, they should have a better chance of making it work all semester.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Sept 23, 2020 11:57:00 GMT -5
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Sept 23, 2020 12:13:07 GMT -5
Alcohol poisoning will be responsible for more hospitalizations and deaths on college campuses this year -- by far -- than corona.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Sept 23, 2020 14:13:16 GMT -5
Alcohol poisoning will be responsible for more hospitalizations and deaths on college campuses this year -- by far -- than corona. I know. So will traffic accidents. And suicides. Party on!!!!!!
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Post by Crucis#1 on Sept 23, 2020 14:54:37 GMT -5
Is that what happen to Garth? Too many beer bongs or some other means of ingesting beer and alcohol?
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Post by bison137 on Sept 23, 2020 16:07:41 GMT -5
It depends on what schools you look at and what kind of plans they had. Patriot league schools Boston University, Colgate, and Bucknell have had almost no Covid at all. Neither have army and navy, although that should come as no surprise. Many schools have had very successful reopening’s. But all of the articles are about the schools that messed up.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Sept 23, 2020 18:48:21 GMT -5
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Post by longsuffering on Sept 23, 2020 22:32:16 GMT -5
Good management that plans every detail and then communicates simply and clearly what the rules are and enforces them from the very beginning with 100% consistency. One of the articles about ND when students returned to campus was eye opening. One student spent several hours with a friend and his girlfriend in the dorm the first day back and then slept in the same bed as his girlfriend. Both of the other two were positive for Covid but the student couldn't get a test because he was asymptomatic and the ND testing area was overwhelmed and swamped. The two dangerous activities of several hours in close contact with others and spending all night in the same bed with another person were either not planned for or enforced. I think that was a management failure, not the result of a particular demographic cohort.
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Post by Tom on Sept 24, 2020 7:46:13 GMT -5
spending all night in the same bed with another person were either not planned for or enforced. I think that was a management failure, not the result of a particular demographic cohort. That's a pretty tough one to enforce. St Anselm has one of the most aggressive policies on this topic that I'm aware of, but a motivated young couple can still find a way.
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Post by sader1970 on Sept 24, 2020 9:27:48 GMT -5
At least this kind of hanky-panky doesn't happen at Liberty or BYU or any really religious universities!
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Post by hcpride on Sept 24, 2020 10:00:18 GMT -5
Good management that plans every detail and then communicates simply and clearly what the rules are and enforces them from the very beginning with 100% consistency. One of the articles about ND when students returned to campus was eye opening. One student spent several hours with a friend and his girlfriend in the dorm the first day back and then slept in the same bed as his girlfriend. Both of the other two were positive for Covid but the student couldn't get a test because he was asymptomatic and the ND testing area was overwhelmed and swamped. The two dangerous activities of several hours in close contact with others and spending all night in the same bed with another person were either not planned for or enforced. I think that was a management failure, not the result of a particular demographic cohort. A college-aged kid slept in the same bed as his girlfriend?!? OK, I found it very difficult to believe college age kids socialize at parties off campus (with beer!) but now this last revelation has me stunned. I simply cannot understand why colleges can't stop this sort of aberrant (and abhorrent) behavior. Very very poor management. I guess if we closed all the campuses we would put an end to these sorts of goings-on by college age kids. (FWIW ND dashboard reports 712 positive student tests [including 1 yesterday] with 671 of those recovered - no word on hospitalization [if any] )
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Post by longsuffering on Sept 24, 2020 14:32:30 GMT -5
spending all night in the same bed with another person were either not planned for or enforced. I think that was a management failure, not the result of a particular demographic cohort. That's a pretty tough one to enforce. St Anselm has one of the most aggressive policies on this topic that I'm aware of, but a motivated young couple can still find a way. One item I noted in the media reports about the Northeastern University suspensions of the students who partied in a student hotel room in Boston, that was functioning as an NU overflow dorm, was the NU policy that residential students are not allowed to have guests in their dorm or hotel room during the pandemic. Clear rule, immediate enforcement. That's an example of what I was thinking of. Interesting, I have no moral objections to the two ND students spending all night in the same bed, it's the close contact within six feet of another person for several hours that I recognize as not allowable if a college is going to succeed in having students on campus safely all semester. The motivated young couple can still find a way, but they won't be able to spend all night in the same dorm room under the NU policy like they did in the ND example.
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Post by bfoley82 on Sept 24, 2020 21:32:36 GMT -5
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Post by Chu Chu on Sept 28, 2020 13:17:29 GMT -5
At least this kind of hanky-panky doesn't happen at Liberty or BYU or any really religious universities! That's not what I was told by the pool boy!
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Post by sader1970 on Sept 28, 2020 14:54:36 GMT -5
Ahhhh! The sarcasm was missed. Or you just chose to double-down!
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Post by Chu Chu on Sept 30, 2020 13:47:25 GMT -5
Ahhhh! The sarcasm was missed. Or you just chose to double-down! I was joining you! Well done!
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Post by hcpride on Oct 7, 2020 5:58:27 GMT -5
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