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Post by purplehaze on Sept 14, 2020 12:57:14 GMT -5
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Post by matunuck on Sept 14, 2020 15:27:51 GMT -5
Dropped nine spots.
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Post by hcpride on Sept 14, 2020 15:43:13 GMT -5
Tie 36th with Oberlin, Pitzer, and Skidmore. Followed by #40 Lafayette/Thomas Aquinas/Occidental.
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Post by rf1 on Sept 14, 2020 17:03:25 GMT -5
Locally, for national universities (which has grown from 312 to 389 in the last two years due to reclassifications):
New England National Universities
2 Harvard
4 MIT
4 Yale
13 Dartmouth
14 Brown
30 Tufts
35 Boston College
42 Boston Univ
42 Brandeis
49 Northeastern
63 UConn
66 UMass-Amherst
66 WPI
103 Clark
118 Vermont
143 UNH
153 Quinnipiac
170 URI
176 UMass-Lowell
206 Maine
217 Hartford
217 Sacred Heart
217 UMass-Dartmouth
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Post by longsuffering on Sept 14, 2020 19:03:48 GMT -5
That's impressive for Clark to be ranked above the University of Vermont. i always understood UVM to be hard to get into, especially for out of state students, but that doesn't have to equate to academic quality.
WPI is tied with UMass-Amherst. I don't know what that says because to me they are two very different institutions.
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Post by longsuffering on Sept 14, 2020 19:09:20 GMT -5
The press release from Holy Cross may be delayed this year...due to Covid.  |
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Post by bfoley82 on Sept 14, 2020 21:49:45 GMT -5
That's impressive for Clark to be ranked above the University of Vermont. i always understood UVM to be hard to get into, especially for out of state students, but that doesn't have to equate to academic quality. WPI is tied with UMass-Amherst. I don't know what that says because to me they are two very different institutions. What does it say that Holy Cross is behind Colorado College? |
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Post by bfoley82 on Sept 14, 2020 22:06:48 GMT -5
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Sept 14, 2020 22:42:13 GMT -5
That's impressive for Clark to be ranked above the University of Vermont. i always understood UVM to be hard to get into, especially for out of state students, but that doesn't have to equate to academic quality. WPI is tied with UMass-Amherst. I don't know what that says because to me they are two very different institutions. What does it say that Holy Cross is behind Colorado College? Stop the nonsense |
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Post by longsuffering on Sept 14, 2020 22:47:08 GMT -5
The UMass Real Estate Studies Dept. must be top notch also. They picked up the Mt. Ida campus for a song.😊
Good to be reminded of the strengths of UMass. If they could extricate themselves from the State Pension System and use TIAA/CREF like many of the private colleges do, there would probably be more funds available for academics. The generous 80% retirement was designed for lowly compensated Spinster school teachers, not University Administrators making hundreds of thousands of dollars per year. But I degress, congratulations UMass for tying WPI at #66.
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Post by hcpride on Sept 15, 2020 5:57:38 GMT -5
BC, PC, Fordham and Notre Dame are listed as our largest applicant overlaps (looking at those schools, only PC has HC as a top four overlap). No surprise there - they may not be LACs but all have liberal arts and all are Catholic.
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Post by alum on Sept 15, 2020 7:26:27 GMT -5
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Post by bfoley82 on Sept 15, 2020 9:45:36 GMT -5
BC, PC, Fordham and Notre Dame are listed as our largest applicant overlaps (looking at those schools, only PC has HC as a top four overlap). No surprise there - they may not be LACs but all have liberal arts and all are Catholic. PC was the top northeast regional school on the US News rankings. |
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Post by WCHC Sports on Sept 15, 2020 9:49:30 GMT -5
How many years running has HC dipped?
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Post by alum on Sept 15, 2020 10:17:35 GMT -5
How many years running has HC dipped? One |
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Post by Chu Chu on Sept 15, 2020 11:25:40 GMT -5
That's impressive for Clark to be ranked above the University of Vermont. i always understood UVM to be hard to get into, especially for out of state students, but that doesn't have to equate to academic quality. WPI is tied with UMass-Amherst. I don't know what that says because to me they are two very different institutions. What does it say that Holy Cross is behind Colorado College? May relate to the quality of the hockey team. |
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Post by longsuffering on Sept 15, 2020 11:27:15 GMT -5
How many years running has HC dipped? One Lock the door to the Fenwick Clock Tower. |
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Post by longsuffering on Sept 15, 2020 11:47:00 GMT -5
BC, PC, Fordham and Notre Dame are listed as our largest applicant overlaps (looking at those schools, only PC has HC as a top four overlap). No surprise there - they may not be LACs but all have liberal arts and all are Catholic. PC was the top northeast regional school on the US News rankings. How long can PC stay in the regional rankings? Membership in the Big East and Hockey East, as well as a recent national championship make it hard for PC to stay unknown outside of it's region. Hockey East has a tight regional footprint, but national significance in it's sport, which is the best of both worlds. I support the Holy Cross participatory D-1 Athletics approach, but it can't compete with PC's approach of fewer sports played at a higher level when it comes to national awareness of the institution. |
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Post by sader1970 on Sept 15, 2020 12:08:25 GMT -5
As for a college or university's national "awareness," unless you are Harvard or Yale, it always helps to have a geographic reference in your name (think "Boston College" or "New York University" or "The Ohio State University" and, yes, even "Providence College").
Where's "The College of the Holy Cross?" Or Lafayette, Lehigh, Colgate? You get beyond the Northeast and people don't know.
The Patriot League is one of the strongest academic leagues in the country but doesn't match to the same level as the Ivy League. So, if you don't have success athletically like the occasional Colgate, Bucknell or Lehigh, you are invisible to most of the country.
Like it or not, the best way to "brand" your college or university is athletics. Fr. McF either never understood that or felt it was just beneath him. Fr. B has talked a good game and the Luth and the Chesney hire have been steps in the right direction but more to be done. The jury is out on Nelson but a horrendous start.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Sept 15, 2020 14:39:06 GMT -5
These changes to the ranking criteria explain the drop.
Summary form:
The introduction of two outcome measures pertaining to graduate indebtedness.
As a result of adding graduate indebtedness, the rankings factors that measure outcomes now account for 40% of the ranking, up from 35% last year.
>HC's fin aid package includes loans, Not enough endowment to give only grants.
To make room, U.S. News gave less weight in the rankings to SAT/ACT scores, high school class standing and alumni giving rates.
Student excellence was reduced to 7% in the rankings from 10% previously. (High school class rank & standardized test scores)
The weight of alumni giving was reduced to 3% (5% previously)
> HC' alumni giving rate was always a big plus.
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Post by alum on Sept 15, 2020 15:06:58 GMT -5
PC was the top northeast regional school on the US News rankings. How long can PC stay in the regional rankings? Membership in the Big East and Hockey East, as well as a recent national championship make it hard for PC to stay unknown outside of it's region. Hockey East has a tight regional footprint, but national significance in it's sport, which is the best of both worlds. I support the Holy Cross participatory D-1 Athletics approach, but it can't compete with PC's approach of fewer sports played at a higher level when it comes to national awareness of the institution. The category a college is placed in comes from Carnegie's Basic Classification System. www.usnews.com/education/best-colleges/articles/ranking-category-definitions |
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Post by longsuffering on Sept 15, 2020 17:06:01 GMT -5
How long can PC stay in the regional rankings? Membership in the Big East and Hockey East, as well as a recent national championship make it hard for PC to stay unknown outside of it's region. Hockey East has a tight regional footprint, but national significance in it's sport, which is the best of both worlds. I support the Holy Cross participatory D-1 Athletics approach, but it can't compete with PC's approach of fewer sports played at a higher level when it comes to national awareness of the institution. The category a college is placed in comes from Carnegie's Basic Classification System. www.usnews.com/education/best-colleges/articles/ranking-category-definitionsGood to know. The categories aren't about geography and national vs regional reputation and reach, but about how many degrees of various types are issued. I still enjoyed opining, even though it wasn't relevant to the subject. |
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Post by matunuck on Sept 18, 2020 19:50:49 GMT -5
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Post by longsuffering on Sept 18, 2020 20:49:27 GMT -5
Fallen from 84 to 117 in three years. Glad I have a mask to put on.
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Post by princetoncrusader on Sept 19, 2020 8:49:21 GMT -5
I read the WSJ/THE story and rankings with dismay. Upon further reflection, it seems rather subjective. "Forty percent of each of each school's overall score comes from student outcomes, including graduates' salaries and debt;" Graduates salary data is self-reported 10 years after graduation, which i would think would lead to some self-selection bias. Two other components are "academic reputation" (based on a survey of leading scholars) and "student engagement" (based on a survey from 2 market research firms). These also seem highly subjective, particularly given that the anti-Catholic bias that still lingers on in higher education.
While there are some hard, quant data metrics, like student graduation, debt at graduation and published scholarly research papers per faculty member, the overall ranking to me seems less accurate than the USN version.
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