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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Sept 19, 2020 12:13:26 GMT -5
Number of HC athletes presently in Worcester: around 300
Access to Luth for practice for sports other than M/W hoops, M/W ice hockey. Began today. State requires 14 feet between machines / stations The Jo will open in November.
Fall sports in the Spring. NCAA allowing seasons to begin mid-Jan., early Feb. NCAA specifies six weeks of conditioning / practice before competition. PL AD's have not yet decided on having fall sports in spring, and won't for some weeks, early Nov.? PL ADs decision on spring sports seems to be on same decision time-table as fall sports.
HC will have a three week on-campus January term -- intense, immersive courses -- and a spring semester, on-campus is the plan, which will start February 1. No Spring Break, though a break over Easter. Commencement on scheduled date. Summer term.
Winter sports schedule. PL decision on hoops in several weeks. Ice hockey non-conference sport.
Academic Index. Because of COVID, no standardized tests scores required for recruited athletes. Colleges will substitute other measures of academic achievement.
Fifth year eligibility. Not addressed
Per ADMB, MF, Provost & Dean of the college.
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Post by hchoops on Sept 19, 2020 12:19:25 GMT -5
PL decision on winter sports schedule “in several weeks.” Why not take a few months so no OOC games can be scheduled ? With no Standardized tests required for recruited athletes, wonder how Admissions will decide ?
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Sept 19, 2020 13:17:07 GMT -5
PL decision on winter sports schedule “in several weeks.” Why not take a few months so no OOC games can be scheduled ? With no Standardized tests required for recruited athletes, wonder how Admissions will decide ? With respect to OOC schedules, one reason may be restrictions on travel imposed by several states, most particularly Massachusetts. Half the PL can't at this time, play in MA, because visitors from PA, MD are subject to quarantine. IMO, the number of OOC games will be very few. The focus is on getting 18 games for league play, plus a post-season. And travel will be minimized. Before fall sports were shut down, the PL agreed that no OOC games would be scheduled with schools whose COVID protocols were less rigorous than the protocols adopted by all PL schools.
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Post by longsuffering on Sept 19, 2020 14:09:34 GMT -5
January term and Spring semester may work if students are "scared straight" by the failed fall opening. It will be a contest between the realities of science and the exhilaration of youth, with the wildcard being the skill of HC's management of the opening. I hope they have used this time to contract for additional and back up testing capacity.
"Our sole testing vendor let us down" won't fly a second time. Maybe there will be saliva and other quick tests available by January but management is still key.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Sept 19, 2020 14:50:07 GMT -5
Re testing.
When HC signed a contract with Broad, HC sought to test approximately 2800 students every 3-4 days (initially) plus x number of staff. At that time, the number of institutions that had signed with Broad was about 25.
Subsequently, another 75+ institutions signed contracts, and the state also began tasking Broad to do testing in cities with high case rates, e.g., Chelsea, Lynn, etc.
At the time of the contract, Broad had a daily testing capacity of about 35,000 tests, and was only doing about 10,000 daily tests. Broad said its max capacity, if it expanded test lines, was about 75,000 tests per day.
In early August, Broad apparently told HC it might not have capacity to test HC students twice a week, at least during the early weeks of the semester. HC then decided to go remote, (There were other significant factors that contributed to this decision, to be discussed elsewhere.)
IMO, when Broad signed contracts with these other 75+ institutions, this squeezed their capacity. The Commonwealth also added to the demand for tests.
In early September Broad's daily testing has peaked at 65,000-67,000 tests a day (with HC doing 400+ tests a day, rather than 1,000+). That level may be max for Broad, while still providing a reserve for surge testing.
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Post by lou on Sept 19, 2020 15:05:21 GMT -5
PL decision on winter sports schedule “in several weeks.” Why not take a few months so no OOC games can be scheduled ? With no Standardized tests required for recruited athletes, wonder how Admissions will decide ? With respect to OOC schedules, one reason may be restrictions on travel imposed by several states, most particularly Massachusetts. Half the PL can't at this time, play in MA, because visitors from PA, MD are subject to quarantine. IMO, the number of OOC games will be very few. The focus is on getting 18 games for league play, plus a post-season. And travel will be minimized. Before fall sports were shut down, the PL agreed that no OOC games would be scheduled with schools whose COVID protocols were less rigorous than the protocols adopted by all PL schools. As of a few days ago, Maryland is again off of the NYS quaranteen list, so maybe Mass too
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Sept 19, 2020 15:10:35 GMT -5
With respect to OOC schedules, one reason may be restrictions on travel imposed by several states, most particularly Massachusetts. Half the PL can't at this time, play in MA, because visitors from PA, MD are subject to quarantine. IMO, the number of OOC games will be very few. The focus is on getting 18 games for league play, plus a post-season. And travel will be minimized. Before fall sports were shut down, the PL agreed that no OOC games would be scheduled with schools whose COVID protocols were less rigorous than the protocols adopted by all PL schools. As of a few days ago, Maryland is again off of the NYS quaranteen list, so maybe Mass too MA took two more states off several days ago. From the map in the Globe, the six New England states are off, plus NY, NJ, NM, CO, and I can't recall if WA and OIR are also off .
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Post by Crucis#1 on Sept 19, 2020 18:45:38 GMT -5
According to the Massachusetts travel order list, Rhode Island is currently on the restricted list that currently appears to include 40 states. Appears that games against Brown, Bryant, URI and Providence may not be allowed without strictly following the guideline. The teams may be able to come to Massachusetts with the 72 hour test requirement. Very difficult to put together an OOC or a PL schedule. Scroll on the site to find Lower Risk States: www.mass.gov/info-details/covid-19-travel-order
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Post by Tom on Sept 20, 2020 7:46:45 GMT -5
PL decision on winter sports schedule “in several weeks.” Why not take a few months so no OOC games can be scheduled ? With no Standardized tests required for recruited athletes, wonder how Admissions will decide ? SAT's are required for athletes by NCAA rules. HC doesn't us SAT's for lots of students and has publicly stated that the school does not consider the standardized tests as a reliable indicator of success in college. I assume admissions, at least at HC, will decide the way they normally do. ------------------------------ In terms or restricted travel between certain states, isn't a negative test within a certain time an acceptable substitute for quarantine? Lots of people from Florida showed up in Foxboro last Sunday. People from up and down the east coast have been coming to Fenway for a while now. As far as issues with state restrictions, I would be more concerned about MA only allowing 25 max for indoor gatherings. 2 basketball teams + coaches + officials + potential video streaming personnel > 25 people
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Post by hcpride on Sept 20, 2020 9:08:43 GMT -5
January term and Spring semester may work if students are "scared straight" by the failed fall opening. It will be a contest between the realities of science and the exhilaration of youth, with the wildcard being the skill of HC's management of the opening. I hope they have used this time to contract for additional and back up testing capacity. "Our sole testing vendor let us down" won't fly a second time. Maybe there will be saliva and other quick tests available by January but management is still key. College spikes across the country do/did not seem to stem from classrooms, dorm living and ordinary on -campus activity. The kids on campus can/are managed. Ditto ordinary and wisely managed on-campus sports activities. The realities of science are that a college kid who catches covid will have few if any symptoms and will not wind up in the hospital. The kids know this. Who is surprised they'll congregate off campus and go to parties and smooch now and again? (Of course there are exceptions to this and all other generalities.)
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Sept 20, 2020 9:49:26 GMT -5
PL decision on winter sports schedule “in several weeks.” Why not take a few months so no OOC games can be scheduled ? With no Standardized tests required for recruited athletes, wonder how Admissions will decide ? SAT's are required for athletes by NCAA rules. HC doesn't us SAT's for lots of students and has publicly stated that the school does not consider the standardized tests as a reliable indicator of success in college. I assume admissions, at least at HC, will decide the way they normally do. ------------------------------ In terms or restricted travel between certain states, isn't a negative test within a certain time an acceptable substitute for quarantine? Lots of people from Florida showed up in Foxboro last Sunday. People from up and down the east coast have been coming to Fenway for a while now. As far as issues with state restrictions, I would be more concerned about MA only allowing 25 max for indoor gatherings. 2 basketball teams + coaches + officials + potential video streaming personnel > 25 people My understanding is that the NCAA is waiving the SAT requirement for the clearinghouse. One can't be recruited unless one is in the clearinghouse so HC has always had SAT scores for recruited athletes. Did all these people from Florida gather in the parking lots. I understood no fans in the stands for at least the first two Pats games.
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Post by bison137 on Sept 20, 2020 14:14:24 GMT -5
Fall sports in the Spring. NCAA allowing seasons to begin mid-Jan., early Feb. NCAA specifies six weeks of conditioning / practice before competition. PL AD's have not yet decided on having fall sports in spring, and won't for some weeks, early Nov.? PL ADs decision on spring sports seems to be on same decision time-table as fall sports. Curious about the source of the six week provision for fall sports. Sports such as soccer and field hockey have a maximum of three week (or less) of practice/conditioning prior to their first fall game, per NCAA rules. Why would they need six weeks if they play in the spring? Doesn’t seem to make sense. also lax, baseball, softball never have more than three weeks.
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Post by longsuffering on Sept 20, 2020 16:08:45 GMT -5
This should be an area of flexibility during the pandemic as long as it's a level playing field with both teams having the same prep time. Before a vaccine is available to college kids, the less time spent congregating together statistically should result in slightly less spread anyway.
If the NCAA came up with a pandemic era rule of one practice per game, the play level would be lower and Colleges would get less bang from their coaching salary buck, but the Covid spread would scientifically have to be lower, I would think.
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Post by DiMarz on Sept 20, 2020 16:23:56 GMT -5
SAT's are required for athletes by NCAA rules. HC doesn't us SAT's for lots of students and has publicly stated that the school does not consider the standardized tests as a reliable indicator of success in college. I assume admissions, at least at HC, will decide the way they normally do. ------------------------------ In terms or restricted travel between certain states, isn't a negative test within a certain time an acceptable substitute for quarantine? Lots of people from Florida showed up in Foxboro last Sunday. People from up and down the east coast have been coming to Fenway for a while now. As far as issues with state restrictions, I would be more concerned about MA only allowing 25 max for indoor gatherings. 2 basketball teams + coaches + officials + potential video streaming personnel > 25 people My understanding is that the NCAA is waiving the SAT requirement for the clearinghouse. One can't be recruited unless one is in the clearinghouse so HC has always had SAT scores for recruited athletes. Did all these people from Florida gather in the parking lots. I understood no fans in the stands for at least the first two Pats games. I'd guess Tom was referring to the Dolphins entourage...53 active players plus the staff....must total over 100
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Sept 20, 2020 17:54:35 GMT -5
Fall sports in the Spring. NCAA allowing seasons to begin mid-Jan., early Feb. NCAA specifies six weeks of conditioning / practice before competition. PL AD's have not yet decided on having fall sports in spring, and won't for some weeks, early Nov.? PL ADs decision on spring sports seems to be on same decision time-table as fall sports. Curious about the source of the six week provision for fall sports. Sports such as soccer and field hockey have a maximum of three week (or less) of practice/conditioning prior to their first fall game, per NCAA rules. Why would they need six weeks if they play in the spring? Doesn’t seem to make sense. also lax, baseball, softball never have more than three weeks. ADMB. And said in the context of when athletes would need to be back on campus prior to the start of the spring semester. As this was from the NCAA, I recall ADMB observing that starting competition in fall sports in Worcester while still in the dead of winter would not be happening. And it may be the six weeks incorporates an allowance for inclement weather / conditions limiting practice days. The NCAA may also be factoring that running fall and spring sports concurrently may tax athletic facilities.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Sept 20, 2020 18:01:47 GMT -5
My understanding is that the NCAA is waiving the SAT requirement for the clearinghouse. One can't be recruited unless one is in the clearinghouse so HC has always had SAT scores for recruited athletes. Did all these people from Florida gather in the parking lots. I understood no fans in the stands for at least the first two Pats games. I'd guess Tom was referring to the Dolphins entourage...53 active players plus the staff....must total over 100 I believe MA allowed professional sports teams to open in Phase 3, but without fans. There was no similar provision for college sports.
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Post by Tom on Sept 20, 2020 19:31:07 GMT -5
SAT's are required for athletes by NCAA rules. HC doesn't us SAT's for lots of students and has publicly stated that the school does not consider the standardized tests as a reliable indicator of success in college. I assume admissions, at least at HC, will decide the way they normally do. ------------------------------ In terms or restricted travel between certain states, isn't a negative test within a certain time an acceptable substitute for quarantine? Lots of people from Florida showed up in Foxboro last Sunday. People from up and down the east coast have been coming to Fenway for a while now. As far as issues with state restrictions, I would be more concerned about MA only allowing 25 max for indoor gatherings. 2 basketball teams + coaches + officials + potential video streaming personnel > 25 people My understanding is that the NCAA is waiving the SAT requirement for the clearinghouse. One can't be recruited unless one is in the clearinghouse so HC has always had SAT scores for recruited athletes. Did all these people from Florida gather in the parking lots. I understood no fans in the stands for at least the first two Pats games. No fans in the stands in Foxboro. There were people from Miami on the field playing and coaching that did not quarantine , but presumably had a negative test
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Post by longsuffering on Sept 20, 2020 23:04:10 GMT -5
Covid does not seem be to be a big issue so far for the NFL season and that's without a bubble.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Sept 23, 2020 6:14:39 GMT -5
Fr. B., in his announcement yesterday, said that students will select their room assignments in early November and that the college will re-open the campus in January, --unless the state precludes that from happening because of the pandemic.
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