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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Oct 15, 2020 18:06:31 GMT -5
Forget it tcib. He apparently thinks people here are interested in UMess FB.
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Post by steve81 on Oct 15, 2020 18:22:08 GMT -5
dead last in FBS. It's a total rebuild. Did you see all those freshmen, who will gain valuable playing time? Whipple could recruit offense and did nothing on defense. Grab too many Juco for a quick pop that never happened and left us with 56 total scholarships at the beginning of the year and nothing on defense. We all lived it so much. ROCK Bottom. Never thought we be that low. Got blown out by fcs teams.
Hope to see improvements this year, not so much wins.
Yes Clock Tower, been riveting talking about if you'll play in the spring and the ACC, hmm. Anyhow its FOOTBALL SEASON.
Take care until you guys decide to play us. It's been a long time since Willard left. Think BB will happen before football. Like HC and gone to some games and do respect your board and basically post in threads about UMass.
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Post by hcgrad94 on Oct 15, 2020 20:00:46 GMT -5
dead last in FBS. It's a total rebuild. Did you see all those freshmen, who will gain valuable playing time? Whipple could recruit offense and did nothing on defense. Grab too many Juco for a quick pop that never happened and left us with 56 total scholarships at the beginning of the year and nothing on defense. We all lived it so much. ROCK Bottom. Never thought we be that low. Got blown out by fcs teams. Hope to see improvements this year, not so much wins. Yes Clock Tower, been riveting talking about if you'll play in the spring and the ACC, hmm. Anyhow its FOOTBALL SEASON. Take care until you guys decide to play us. It's been a long time since Willard left. Think BB will happen before football. Like HC and gone to some games and do respect your board and basically post in threads about UMass. Steve appreciate your posts but you keep implying that we are somehow ducking you in football. Not at all sure where you’re getting this information but it is a ridiculous statement. Are you saying UMass has made offers to play HC and we keep saying no? I know that you guys pay one of, if not the lowest guarantees in college football, but would love to hear your insider info.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Oct 15, 2020 20:22:47 GMT -5
dead last in FBS. It's a total rebuild. Did you see all those freshmen, who will gain valuable playing time? Whipple could recruit offense and did nothing on defense. Grab too many Juco for a quick pop that never happened and left us with 56 total scholarships at the beginning of the year and nothing on defense. We all lived it so much. ROCK Bottom. Never thought we be that low. Got blown out by fcs teams. Hope to see improvements this year, not so much wins. Yes Clock Tower, been riveting talking about if you'll play in the spring and the ACC, hmm. Anyhow its FOOTBALL SEASON. Take care until you guys decide to play us. It's been a long time since Willard left. Think BB will happen before football.Like HC and gone to some games and do respect your board and basically post in threads about UMass. It hasn't been that long since we've played in men's basketball -- 2017/2018 maybe?. I would love to play you guys in the DCU Center when both teams are one day good again. I went to the game there in 2009 which was played the day of a pretty rough winter storm in Central Mass. I also traveled to Mullins for our game there in 2008. Great venue that I would love to get back to again for a game soon. A football game will happen eventually-- might have to be a 2nd FBS game for us one season as others have pointed out HC probably has been fishing for the higher guarantees from the likes of BC, Syracuse, UCONN (at least while they were AAC) and the service academies. We are reportedly playing Buffalo and Northern Illinois in future seasons FWIW.
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Post by steve81 on Oct 15, 2020 21:24:45 GMT -5
dead last in FBS. It's a total rebuild. Did you see all those freshmen, who will gain valuable playing time? Whipple could recruit offense and did nothing on defense. Grab too many Juco for a quick pop that never happened and left us with 56 total scholarships at the beginning of the year and nothing on defense. We all lived it so much. ROCK Bottom. Never thought we be that low. Got blown out by fcs teams. Hope to see improvements this year, not so much wins. Yes Clock Tower, been riveting talking about if you'll play in the spring and the ACC, hmm. Anyhow its FOOTBALL SEASON. Take care until you guys decide to play us. It's been a long time since Willard left. Think BB will happen before football. Like HC and gone to some games and do respect your board and basically post in threads about UMass. Steve appreciate your posts but you keep implying that we are somehow ducking you in football. Not at all sure where you’re getting this information but it is a ridiculous statement. Are you saying UMass has made offers to play HC and we keep saying no? I know that you guys pay one of, if not the lowest guarantees in college football, but would love to hear your insider info. nycrusader2010 nailed it. In football, you'd rather play a P5 for more of a paycheck. NH will not play unless it's higher than we can afford. Not ducking, ignoring the possibilities of playing us. That's what I was referring to without spelling it out. We are no angles as well. Personally like to see the Luth Athletic Complex. Only been to your old place once and it was a great game. Holy Cross beat St. Joseph, think in OT. Really liked Ralph Willard as a coach. You guys had a good one there.
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Post by bfoley82 on Oct 15, 2020 21:57:30 GMT -5
UMass is a buyer not a seller, take what you can get and later in the season if teams have to cancel due to Covid, UMass might even be the beneficiary of a bidding war between teams that would have an empty week or more without a healthy opponent. Vandy and Mizzou have been PPD this weekend for Covid and Florida had to stop football activities on Tuesday due to virus issues even though the head coach and governor want the whole stadium opened this weekend against LSU. Cincy vs Tulane and Charlotte at FIU were PPD on Thursday.
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Post by Tom on Oct 16, 2020 7:35:40 GMT -5
Personally like to see the Luth Athletic Complex. Only been to your old place once and it was a great game. Holy Cross beat St. Joseph, think in OT. Really liked Ralph Willard as a coach. You guys had a good one there. Totally off topic, the Luth complex is a major addition around the "old place" Basketball games are on the exact same court you saw HC-St Joe's. As a fan, the only difference is a fancy entryway before you get to the lobby, a fresh coat of paint in the gym area, and the lower bleachers replaced with molded seats without backs
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Post by HC92 on Oct 16, 2020 11:41:57 GMT -5
This isn’t going to help things at UMass.
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Post by rgs318 on Oct 16, 2020 12:13:49 GMT -5
Can this penalty take a team from worst to even worse than that?
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Post by hc87 on Oct 16, 2020 12:46:32 GMT -5
FWIW... UMass-HC was a very good football rivalry for much of the 60s, 70s and 80s....I'd put them in the same category of Colgate and Dartmouth after BC as our biggest rivals then.
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Post by sader1970 on Oct 16, 2020 13:30:49 GMT -5
Not sure why all the antipathy and putdowns of UMass and even UConn on this board. Not sure where they stand nowadays but recall both schools were pretty highly rated public universities academically and UMass, in particular, had been a long-time rival for Holy Cross. An honorable rival perhaps with the exception of the Calipari days in basketball.
Are we jealous that both schools left FCS for FBS and are perceived as "big time" wannabes [and we wish we were too]? And we hope they fall on their faces? Let's be bigger than that.
Maybe I am simply misreading the crowd but just don't recall anyone posting why they are anti-UMass and/or anti-UConn.
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Post by Tom on Oct 16, 2020 13:54:31 GMT -5
I am anti UConn because Jim Calhoun used his influence to have HC moved to a different bracket in a tournament. In so doing, he indirectly trashed Alex Vander Baan's back
I am not anti UMass in any way. That being said, I think the jump to I-A football was a horrible decision and results to date seem to back up that position. I am a bit of a b#$l buster. Although I have not done so on this thread, I would absolutely make fun of an organization that makes (what seems to me) a horrible decision and falls flat on their face as a result of that decision.
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Post by steve81 on Oct 16, 2020 13:58:02 GMT -5
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Post by sader1970 on Oct 16, 2020 14:26:13 GMT -5
Tom, I'm with you with "not one thin dime" Calhoun especially as I was a CT property tax payer in those days. And your example is certainly one that justifies antipathy for him. He was gutless. However, like "Cheatin' Calipari," both are gone from those universities. Coaches come and go and as do their mistakes/snafus/blunders and NCAA illegalities. Perhaps analogous to not liking Crusader basketball because you didn't like Sean Kearney or Bill Carmody or some other coach who came and went. Or, maybe not liking any HC president because one of them made a very poor decision to get rid of a beloved mascot/logo.
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Post by sader1970 on Oct 16, 2020 14:28:39 GMT -5
WHAT?!!!! Holy Cross had a chance to be in the Big East?! And turned it down?! You're kidding me. We should discuss this in more detail.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Oct 16, 2020 14:36:25 GMT -5
Not sure why all the antipathy and putdowns of UMass and even UConn on this board. Not sure where they stand nowadays but recall both schools were pretty highly rated public universities academically and UMass, in particular, had been a long-time rival for Holy Cross. An honorable rival perhaps with the exception of the Calipari days in basketball. Are we jealous that both schools left FCS for FBS and are perceived as "big time" wannabes [and we wish we were too]? And we hope they fall on their faces? Let's be bigger than that. Maybe I am simply misreading the crowd but just don't recall anyone posting why they are anti-UMass and/or anti-UConn. Maybe in basketball. I don't think you could find anyone who would consider UCONN or UMASS football "big time". UConn football was at its hottest from 2002 to 2005 when they were transitioning into the Big East in Football, a league that included BC, Miami, Syracuse, Pitt, West Virginia and Virginia Tech. All downhill from there -- even their Fiesta Bowl season they finished 7-5 in a god-awful conference.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Oct 16, 2020 17:14:13 GMT -5
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Post by rgs318 on Oct 16, 2020 17:20:36 GMT -5
I am not anti-UMass. I imply believe gtheirdeuision to go "big time" BCS in football was a terrible mistake and they now paying for it.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Oct 16, 2020 18:32:57 GMT -5
I am not anti-UMass. I imply believe gtheirdeuision to go "big time" BCS in football was a terrible mistake and they now paying for it. Fact. Biggest issue is geography -- there's no conference for them to feasibly join. Just no niche for MAC / Sun Belt-level football in New England and Mid-Atlantic region. UMASS should go back to the CAA and start competing for FCS National Championships again. I'm sure Steve81 would agree that being a UMASS football fan was probably way more fun in 2007 than it was in 2017.
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Post by sader1970 on Oct 16, 2020 18:43:09 GMT -5
For clarification,’10, the key word was “wannabe.” Not saying or even implying UMass or UConn are in the same category as Notre Dame, Alabama, Penn State, Texas, etc. But they are in a higher division of D-1 football. Some here might think, as some have already posted, that they got ahead of their skis.
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Post by hcpride on Oct 16, 2020 18:48:05 GMT -5
I am not anti-UMass. I imply believe gtheirdeuision to go "big time" BCS in football was a terrible mistake and they now paying for it. Fact. Biggest issue is geography -- there's no conference for them to feasibly join. Just no niche for MAC / Sun Belt-level football in New England and Mid-Atlantic region. UMASS should go back to the CAA and start competing for FCS National Championships again. I'm sure Steve81 would agree that being a UMASS football fan was probably way more fun in 2007 than it was in 2017. I'd also like to see UMass in the CAA and could see us playing them (and UNH) each year.
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Post by steve81 on Oct 16, 2020 21:42:41 GMT -5
I am not anti-UMass. I imply believe gtheirdeuision to go "big time" BCS in football was a terrible mistake and they now paying for it. Fact. Biggest issue is geography -- there's no conference for them to feasibly join. Just no niche for MAC / Sun Belt-level football in New England and Mid-Atlantic region. UMASS should go back to the CAA and start competing for FCS National Championships again. I'm sure Steve81 would agree that being a UMASS football fan was probably way more fun in 2007 than it was in 2017. First of all thanks Crucis#1 for the links. Had seen the pictures of the practice facilities and have been extremely impressed. Wish there was a way to add seats, especially for hockey as it would have been great for a legit shot at Hockey East. nycrusader3020, the losing and the direction has been bad, but in no way would I want to go back to fcs football. The G5 is a nice fit being fbs. The coverage is better and despite the poor record, donations are at an all time high. The IPF, Performance Center, and all the the other improvements to the stadium would have never happened. The short answer is not in a New York minute would ever want to go back to fcs football. Footnote as being independent. We have our own little pod of two FBS independents, which are a bus ride; Army and UConn. Both are now on the schedule since go FBS and BC is playing us a little more. We also get a more often than not a local fcs team to play as well. . We do a lot of scheduling up and down the east coast, like the CAA. The CAA had just added Georgia State before we left. So it is pretty good, despite no conference affiliation. We just need to build the roster to 85 and have some success. Last year was the first year that would leave some games early. It was terrible and if there is no improvement, then it will be like the Airplane moving of #@*&$~! hitting the fan. Next years schedule and note we were in the MAC and Toledo is nice to have and seem to be playing more MAC teams in the future years. 09/04 - at Pitt 09/11 - Boston College 09/18 - Eastern Michigan 09/25 - at Coastal Carolina 10/02 - Toledo 10/09 - UConn 10/23 - at Florida State 10/30 - at Liberty 11/06 - Rhode Island 11/13 - Maine 11/20 - at Army 11/27 - at New Mexico State
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Post by hc87 on Oct 16, 2020 22:08:10 GMT -5
UMass and UConn (and even Rutgers to an extent) are in a tough spot in the college football world of today. Both are flagship state universities in states that probably warrant FBS football given their state's population, academic stature etc but they are in a region where college football is pretty far down on the sports totem pole so to speak.
In my opinion, G5 football is basically a "wasteland"....you're forevah not really in the "big boys club" and existing to be a Homecoming opponent for those in the Power 5 conferences. Really not sure it's worth the $$$ and effort to be seen/known as an FBS program rather than a strong FCS-level program....c'est le vie.
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Post by HC92 on Oct 17, 2020 5:13:09 GMT -5
I have nothing against UConn or UMass. As a CT resident and an two-time alum of UConn, I am just very frustrated at how they have bungled the handling of the program and now find themselves wasting huge sums of my money trying to play FBS football as an independent in the northeast. I would much rather they be a good CAA team for a fraction of the cost. I don’t believe UConn playing a crap schedule and having no conference and going 1-11 every year has any positive benefit, including on donations. At least they were smart enough to get out of the AAC for the good of the other sports.
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Post by hcpride on Oct 17, 2020 7:29:32 GMT -5
Its been said before as it applies to UMass/UConn but I think it bears repeating that playing teams in your own region (in this case, Northeast) year after year is a good way to build (or rebuild) traditions and generate some enthusiasm for the program. IMHO that is best done by conference play given the math. There is no beneficial current FBS conference for UMass/UConn in that context and independent status is similarly precluded.
CAA is the best option.
I do think a full annual CAA football slate of Northeast (UNH, URI, UMaine, UAlbany, SBU, Nova) schools, an annual HC game, an Ivy, a NEC, a possibility of BC/Army, would actually help to stabilize and enhance the UConn/UMass football programs. This sort of football move would certainly do no harm to the academic reputations of UMass/UConn and (and this may be counterintuitive) wouldn't hurt their overall athletic reputations either.
(As I type this I'm thinking this would be a nice HC move but that is for another thread entirely)
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