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Post by Crucis#1 on Sept 25, 2020 12:46:02 GMT -5
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Post by alum on Sept 25, 2020 12:50:22 GMT -5
Sorry for making my post confusing. I couldn't remember Dustin's name and was too lazy to look it up.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Sept 25, 2020 13:13:27 GMT -5
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Post by Crucis#1 on Sept 25, 2020 13:28:33 GMT -5
Semi off topic, but. . . Diocesan priests are required to retire at age 75. That is from the Vatican, not just some local rule. Does that rule apply to priests who are in religious orders not doing parish duty? At age 71, the mandatory retirement age (if it exists for Jesuits) might have played a role in the decision. With this capital campaign winding down, you know there is another one right around the corner. If the 75 rule applies, he wouldn't have see the end of that next campaign. Just random speculation filling the time normally spent bemoaning football play calling We all are hoping that Roper’s play selection when play resumes will be superior to Murphy’s. 🙂
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Post by CHC8485 on Sept 25, 2020 16:16:29 GMT -5
And if I may add, the reprehensible behavior of Prof. Dustin and organist James Christie, came to light in 2018 after Fr. Boroughs put out a call to alumni, students, & staff to bring issues of sexual assault, abuse, and harassment to the college's attention.
I can not be 100% sure both of those cases came to light because of that, but that call certainly didn't hurt the efforts of the victims to come forward. And that's a very good thing.
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Post by sader1970 on Sept 25, 2020 16:26:57 GMT -5
I am not aware that the Vatican has any rule for priests, diocesan or otherwise, for when they retire. I can tell you absolutely that in the Providence Diocese, priests are allowed to retire at age 70 but not required and, in fact, encouraged to continue working in large part because of the lack of priests.
I can also tell you that I know a number of Jesuits that are well past 75 who are still working.
Are you sure you aren't mixing up cardinals with diocesan priests?
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Post by longsuffering on Sept 25, 2020 17:25:50 GMT -5
I don't want to .step into something and unnecessarily rile up any controversy. Let me share my experience. I served for a number of years as a delegate to the UFT. Our conference was concerned about issues that affected our membership and the viability of the union such as Right To Work Laws, Check off of union dues, issues of due process, tenure, pay, health benefits and pensions etc. There was never any reference to or mention of political parties or the overarching political issues of the day. Except once. Albert Shanker, the George Washington of the teacher labor movement moved the union in support of the War in Vietnam. There was a howling not only due to opposition to the war but more that the union was getting involved in politics. There was a walkout. Eventually it subsided as our involvement came to an end. Unions throw their support to candidates who can protect the interests of its members examples of which I stated above. Teamsters and the police unions and trade unions quite often do not support the same candidates as the public service unions due to their varying work related interests. Finally, members most often do not follow the lead of their union despite the phone banks and other financial support of their unions to various candidates. I have not written this in support of any political viewpoint but merely as an exposition of what I experienced first hand with my union. Dean, if my comment is too political or would lead to a political dog fight please delete my comment but not me. Thanks to all. Excellent explanation.
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Post by rickii on Sept 26, 2020 6:27:27 GMT -5
I am not aware that the Vatican has any rule for priests, diocesan or otherwise, for when they retire. I can tell you absolutely that in the Providence Diocese, priests are allowed to retire at age 70 but not required and, in fact, encouraged to continue working in large part because of the lack of priests. I can also tell you that I know a number of Jesuits that are well past 75 who are still working. Are you sure you aren't mixing up cardinals with diocesan priests? [ Just curious, where and doing what are these 75+ Jesuits?
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Post by sader1970 on Sept 26, 2020 6:47:42 GMT -5
One is an assistant pastor at St. Ignatious on or adjacent to the BC campus. Used to be the pastor at St. Charles in Woonsocket, RI and was the only Jesuit officially in RI. He was over 75 then as I recall.
Another served on the Ignatian Volunteer Corps in New England as chaplain.
Another who is not 75 (72) works at the Dinand Library and heads the Jesuit deaf archives and himself deaf since early childhood and had been, might still be, the only deaf Jesuit in the U.S.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Sept 26, 2020 7:13:04 GMT -5
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Post by longsuffering on Sept 26, 2020 9:21:00 GMT -5
In the first paragraph of Fr. B's profile it states HC's commitment to remain need blind and meet the full demonstrated need of accepted students. I thought that policy now has an asterisk. If Holy Cross did not modify it's commitment and make it less than universal, they are not getting full credit for it remaining absolute because I thought the commitment had been modified for at least one group of accepted students.
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Post by Chu Chu on Sept 26, 2020 11:59:56 GMT -5
Pretty interesting and diverse group! Glad to see Fr Markey is still around!
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Post by Crucis#1 on Sept 26, 2020 12:30:56 GMT -5
Holy Cross dropped need blind admissions in 2016. The article below from Inside Higher Ed will explain the current environment, ”ecoverse” * facing Holy Cross. Interesting comparison regarding the current challenges now being faced. www.insidehighered.com/admissions/article/2019/05/13/college-holy-cross-abandons-need-blind-admissionsBelow I have posted an article regarding St. Joe’s in Philly and their challenges regarding financial aid among many. Private College Administrations are oncerned when the discount rate has to be increased in order to attract students and to fill a class. The new focus at HC regarding admissions and financial aid is being created due to this concern.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Sept 26, 2020 12:41:37 GMT -5
Some on this board have questioned why the steps were taken so carefully by the administration regarding faculty that clearly were in misconduct. The following article provides some insight regarding St. Joseph’s University in Philadelphia. Fr. Gillespie, who is a St.Joseph’s alum of the class of 1972, ran into a buzz saw during his administration. www.insidehighered.com/news/2014/05/27/saint-josephs-u-no-confidence-votes-across-boardFr. Gillespie is no longer at St. Joseph’s as the President. He is now the Pastor of Holy Trinity Catholic Church in Washington DC. Fr. Gillespie currently serves as a Trustee at Holy Cross. His counsel based on experience probably served in good light to avoid the turmoil he found in Philadelphia. The job of a College President is far from tranquil.
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Post by Chu Chu on Sept 26, 2020 19:09:58 GMT -5
Instead of more bricks and mortar, our next big financial fund raising push needs to be for student scholarships.
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Post by longsuffering on Sept 26, 2020 21:36:56 GMT -5
Yes, because in a pandemic bricks and mortar are useless.
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Post by Tom on Sept 28, 2020 7:51:23 GMT -5
I am not aware that the Vatican has any rule for priests, diocesan or otherwise, for when they retire. I can tell you absolutely that in the Providence Diocese, priests are allowed to retire at age 70 but not required and, in fact, encouraged to continue working in large part because of the lack of priests. I can also tell you that I know a number of Jesuits that are well past 75 who are still working. Are you sure you aren't mixing up cardinals with diocesan priests? Yes. They might be able to petition Rome for an extension, but basically they have to retire. HC grad Fr Paul O'Connell retired a while back in very good health. He moved across town and took up residence in another parish in the same town and helped out a lot, but he was not a pastor.. He was a retired priest in residence . Retired priests can still preform the normal sacraments until they die. It is very common for retired priests to help out in parishes as their health allows
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Post by sader1970 on Sept 28, 2020 8:18:56 GMT -5
Not sure they have to petition the Vatican and we may be debating semantics on "retirement."
It appears there are variations from diocese to diocese on age of priest retirements, Boston being 75 and, as I said previously, Providence is 70 but priests strongly encouraged not to retire then.
In my old diocese of Syracuse:
Again, I strongly doubt the Vatican is making rules for mandatory retirement ages of priests, which I believe is left up to the individual bishops and cardinals. I totally agree that retirement for the "princes of the Church" is dictated by the Pope.
Bottom line, I think, is that with the number of priests shrinking and not allowing women or married priests in the near future, you'll see more and more priests encouraged to continue their work even as they age.
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Post by rgs318 on Sept 28, 2020 8:50:40 GMT -5
I am not aware that the Vatican has any rule for priests, diocesan or otherwise, for when they retire. I can tell you absolutely that in the Providence Diocese, priests are allowed to retire at age 70 but not required and, in fact, encouraged to continue working in large part because of the lack of priests. I can also tell you that I know a number of Jesuits that are well past 75 who are still working. Are you sure you aren't mixing up cardinals with diocesan priests? Yes. They might be able to petition Rome for an extension, but basically they have to retire. HC grad Fr Paul O'Connell retired a while back in very good health. He moved across town and took up residence in another parish in the same town and helped out a lot, but he was not a pastor.. He was a retired priest in residence . Retired priests can still preform the normal sacraments until they die. It is very common for retired priests to help out in parishes as their health allows The same is true in many NJ parishes. They are often "regular" clergy - at a different parish than the one from which they retired.
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Post by hc80 on Sept 28, 2020 13:20:38 GMT -5
As to retirement age, a bishop is required to give his notice of retirement to the Pope at age 75. The pope may or may not accept the retirement. A cardinal may not participate in a conclave to elect the next pope after age 80.
By canon law, pastors must offer their notice of retirement/resignation to his bishop at age 75 -again, the bishop decides if he will accept it or not. All diocesan priests are expected to continue in their assignments until age 75. Of course, the bishop can allow an earlier retirement at his discretion.
In the Society of Jesus, a priest can work until the provincial decides it is time to retire.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Oct 26, 2020 15:41:21 GMT -5
Some information on the search process:
Dear Holy Cross Volunteers and Members of President's Council,
I am writing to let you know that Isaacson Miller (IM), imsearch.com, a national executive search firm, has been retained to assist in our search for a new president. IM, along with search committee members, will be facilitating a series of information gathering exercises with campus and community stakeholders over the coming weeks. Their goal is to better understand the institution today, its opportunities and aspirations, and the potential challenges the new president will face.
This work will inform the development of a position profile and will allow IM and the Search Committee to frame the role accurately. The information and insights learned in these conversations will guide their efforts in setting the overall search strategy, and in identifying the preferred professional experiences and personal qualities of the ideal candidate.
I am writing to invite you to the following session for members of the President’s Council and volunteers.
Wednesday, November 4
2:00-3:00 p.m. EDT
Register In advance of this meeting, please consider the questions below: 1. How will you know that we hired the right person — one year from now, three years from now, and five years from now? What would be the tangible and objective measures of success? 2. What organizational activities at Holy Cross need to be sustained? What are the challenges the next President of Holy Cross will face? 3. What past or current experiences and leadership qualities would confirm that someone has the skills and expertise to do this job well? For those of you who cannot make this session or if you prefer to submit your responses to these questions in writing, you may email holycrosspressearch@imsearch.com with your responses.
The search committee and I look forward to receiving insights and input from all members of the College community as we begin this search process.
Sincerely,
Tom Joyce ’82
Trustee and Chair, Presidential Search Committee
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Post by CHC8485 on Dec 6, 2020 14:41:37 GMT -5
In the interest of keeping the basketball thread on topic and not diverting it into a discussion on Holy Cross' next President ... I don't know her at all nor if she'd be interested, but if we're tossing names out there and if you're looking for a Holy Cross grad, I'm not sure you'll do much better than Diane Ryan, '88, currently at Tufts. tischcollege.tufts.edu/people/faculty/diane-ryanNot completely out of the box thinking here with her background but it is different enough to not be just another cookie-cutter-type liberal arts college President.
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 6, 2020 15:53:18 GMT -5
Impressive. Would obviously be an advocate for R.O.T.C. which is an attractive asset for HC. The Bio doesn't list her military rank, but it must have been up there after twenty-nine years.
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Post by CHC8485 on Dec 6, 2020 16:24:05 GMT -5
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Post by alum on Dec 6, 2020 21:23:13 GMT -5
She is really quite something. I’m not sure if she has all the necessary skills and experience (fundraising?) but wow she’s done a lot and the program she works in at Tufts seems innovative and impressive.
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