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Post by Sons of Vaval on Dec 6, 2020 21:33:44 GMT -5
Doesn't have Division 1 experience though.
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Post by CHC8485 on Dec 6, 2020 22:19:40 GMT -5
Don't want to become a cheerleader/advocate for Diane Ryan (who may not even be interested in the job) I'm not sure I'd put teaching or administrative work experience at a school with a Division I athletics program very high on my list of qualifications for the President at Holy Cross but, does 9 years at West Point not count as Division I experience?
If she is as impressive in person as she is on paper, I think her non-traditional path into academic administration presents an interesting contrast to what I would expect to see in the credentials of the "typical" candidates.
And the last HC grad/Army veteran who was President of HC, did an OK job.
If she is interested, I'd put her on my list for a first round of interviews.
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Post by purplehaze on Dec 6, 2020 22:37:37 GMT -5
A very impressive CV - if we are closely looking at lay candidates, she should be one of them if she’s interested
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Dec 6, 2020 23:09:01 GMT -5
Don't want to become a cheerleader/advocate for Diane Ryan (who may not even be interested in the job) I'm not sure I'd put teaching or administrative work experience at a school with a Division I athletics program very high on my list of qualifications for the President at Holy Cross but, does 9 years at West Point not count as Division I experience? If she is as impressive in person as she is on paper, I think her non-traditional path into academic administration presents an interesting contrast to what I would expect to see in the credentials of the "typical" candidates. And the last HC grad/Army veteran who was President of HC, did an OK job. If she is interested, I'd put her on my list for a first round of interviews. I was only joking about the D1 comment. This is something we’ve seen on this board when hiring coaches — “Doesn’t have head coaching experience”, “Never been at the D1 level”, etc.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Dec 7, 2020 7:31:29 GMT -5
Of the 12 qualifications criteria being used by the college in its search for the next President, these three might prove to be stumbling blocks for a candidate such as she.. The college has said that a successful candidate need not meet all 12 -- if he/she did, they'd be walking on water -- but I have a sense looking at all 12, that these are weighted more heavily.
• Knowledge of the issues and challenges facing higher education, including higher education finances; acute understanding of the interplay between academic priorities and resource requirements; experience setting and overseeing budgets; • Significant and successful experience managing, allocating, and prioritizing financial, physical, and human resources; • An established record in fundraising, including an ability to engage a broader community in support of the College;
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 7, 2020 8:24:34 GMT -5
That last point may well be the most important.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Dec 7, 2020 13:34:39 GMT -5
That last point may well be the most important. This is the major qualification for any college president today, even in the liberal arts. It's why Gordon Gee keeps getting hired as a college president despite his erratic leadership style--in the last 40 years he's been the president at West Virginia, Colorado, Ohio State, Brown, Vanderbilt, Ohio State (again) and now West Virginia (again) at the age of 76. He's raised literally billions of dollars. Conversely, it's why Rev. Scott Pilarz, beloved at Scranton, was shown the door at Marquette after two years--he wasn't all in on fundraising. Gee is blunt and that gets him frequently into trouble. But on a recent podcast, he had this point. "Our instinct at universities is to constantly look through the rear view mirror. We want to keep things the way that they were. We want to continue to do the same traditions, want to reward people the same way. I think this COVID issue is going to either require universities to transfer themselves or to go out of business in so many different ways. You either embrace change now or you’re gonna become irrelevant very quickly, and a lot of institutions over the next two years, because they don’t embrace it, are going to close or they’re going to be in very serious financial straits." There are a lot of Catholic schools staring at the prospect of disruptive change and they're leaderless and/or powerless--I could see as many as five Jesuit universities close within the next 10-15 years as result. The operative question for HC, unique among Jesuit schools as a true LAC, is how it plans to meet disruptive change and thrive, or retrench and hope that there's enough left in the marketplace to stay relevant to the next generation.
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 7, 2020 14:26:26 GMT -5
Phreek: RGS:
DFW: 1. Nice partial list, Phreek, and have 2 questions: Where did you get the list and what are the other 9 things they are looking for as you must have other insider info than I had on the Zoom with the search committee.
2. Fundraising is #1 for any and all college & university presidents as I posted on another thread.
3. As I also posted on the other thread, my wife worked directly for a prior Brown University president (Ruth Simmons, Gordon Gee's successor). It was clear fundraising and schmoozing with the rich and famous was her greatest (only?) asset. My wife got to meet a number of celebrities whose kids went to Brown and just happened to "drop in" to Simmons' office to say hello. Among others was Danny DeVito and Rhea Perlman who had, IIRC, 3 kids going there including twins. Per my wife, who is not the tallest person in the world was surprised at how really short Danny was. But both were very nice and Perlman introduced themselves to my wife like she wouldn't know who they were. Very down to earth folks.
As for Gee, he left OSU for Brown shortly before we relocated to RI and while she did not work directly for Gee, my wife met him just before he left Brown and Gee was thrilled that, like himself, we were transplants from Ohio. But, as I also previously posted, when Gee left OSU (the first time), the folks in Columbus were positively stunned that he would leave such a prestigious university for a small, rinky-dink school like Brown and the Columbus Dispatch (affectionately known as "The Dogpatch") had front page stories comparing the two schools making it very clear that Gee was taking a step down. I mean, just look at the difference in football success and that OSU had 60,000+/- students vs. Brown's 5,000+/- students!
Then, when he broke his contract with Brown to go to Vanderbilt (but 2 years of a contract that I believe was at least 5 years), the folks in Rhode Island were equally up in arms, not because they put Vanderbilt down but because Gee had a contract for X number of years that he broke because Vanderbilt would give his wife a tenured position that Brown would not do. He and his trademark bowtie are hired guns as DFW amply demonstrated in the Gee travelogue.
Finally, as important as fundraising is, I am not aware that many, if any, prior HC presidents had an established track record for fundraising. Boroughs came from GU as VP of Mission. His biggest asset was likely his position on the HC BoT. Not aware McFarland had a history of successful fundraising. Vellaccio doesn't count as "acting president" and I know from discussions with Fr. Brooks that Reedy didn't like to shmooze and not aware he was a fundraising juggernaut in his prior life. So, yes, it's a critical part of the job but suspect the person needs to show they have the potential to raise funds, not a proven track record.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Dec 7, 2020 15:25:51 GMT -5
Phreek: Finally, as important as fundraising is, I am not aware that many, if any, prior HC presidents had an established track record for fundraising. Boroughs came from GU as VP of Mission. His biggest asset was likely his position on the HC BoT. Not aware McFarland had a history of successful fundraising. Vellaccio doesn't count as "acting president" and I know from discussions with Fr. Brooks that Reedy didn't like to shmooze and not aware he was a fundraising juggernaut in his prior life. So, yes, it's a critical part of the job but suspect the person needs to show they have the potential to raise funds, not a proven track record. That's why I raised the example of Pilarz at Marquette. That school has gone years without a capital campaign and they still haven't kicked one off. The next president at HC will likely receive a number from its board: "750", as in the next campaign will be $750 million, with a third going to endowment, enough to put HC as the sixth Catholic school with an endowment over $1B, behind ND, BC, Georgetown, St. Louis, and Santa Clara. Campaign numbers aren't a "goal" as much as it is an clear expectation. And when it comes to those numbers, literally raising $75-100M a year for 8-10 years without fail, a board is less likely to hire on "potential".
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Post by CHC8485 on Dec 7, 2020 16:48:23 GMT -5
Don't disagree on the importance of fundraising at all but, if you grant that as the head of an institution of higher learning one of the other requirements of the job description,
"a terminal degree, preferably a doctorate, in a field that complements the liberal arts identity of the institution"
is a virtual must for the position, unless one is already a college or university president, how does an "academic" have an "established record in fundraising?" In general, your pool of candidates is academic deans looking to be college presidents and they certainly do not have the fundraising record that approaches the the scale needed for the next campaign at HC
While a fund raising track record is important, I think hiring on potential - i.e., personality and willingness to engage and schmooze potential donors - is where we're going to wind up
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 7, 2020 16:50:00 GMT -5
How about Stan Grayson?
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Post by CHC8485 on Dec 7, 2020 17:02:31 GMT -5
1. Nice partial list, Phreek, and have 2 questions: Where did you get the list and what are the other 9 things they are looking for as you must have other insider info than I had on the Zoom with the search committee. Don't need to be an insider, it's posted on the HC interweb. Click the position profile link on this page: www.holycross.edu/leadership/presidential-search
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Post by hcpride on Dec 7, 2020 17:05:39 GMT -5
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Post by Ray on Dec 7, 2020 17:07:54 GMT -5
I’m guessing an academic dean from a prestigious college or university. How about Notre Dame? That gives a Catholic connection (if not an actual Catholic). Sure, let's go back to the well that gave us Pete Vaas and Sean Kearney.
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 7, 2020 18:18:40 GMT -5
Phreek: RGS: DFW: 1. Nice partial list, Phreek, and have 2 questions: Where did you get the list and what are the other 9 things they are looking for as you must have other insider info than I had on the Zoom with the search committee. 2. Fundraising is #1 for any and all college & university presidents as I posted on another thread. 3. As I also posted on the other thread, my wife worked directly for a prior Brown University president (Ruth Simmons, Gordon Gee's successor). It was clear fundraising and schmoozing with the rich and famous was her greatest (only?) asset. My wife got to meet a number of celebrities whose kids went to Brown and just happened to "drop in" to Simmons' office to say hello. Among others was Danny DeVito and Rhea Perlman who had, IIRC, 3 kids going there including twins. Per my wife, who is not the tallest person in the world was surprised at how really short Danny was. But both were very nice and Perlman introduced themselves to my wife like she wouldn't know who they were. Very down to earth folks. As for Gee, he left OSU for Brown shortly before we relocated to RI and while she did not work directly for Gee, my wife met him just before he left Brown and Gee was thrilled that, like himself, we were transplants from Ohio. But, as I also previously posted, when Gee left OSU (the first time), the folks in Columbus were positively stunned that he would leave such a prestigious university for a small, rinky-dink school like Brown and the Columbus Dispatch (affectionately known as "The Dogpatch") had front page stories comparing the two schools making it very clear that Gee was taking a step down. I mean, just look at the difference in football success and that OSU had 60,000+/- students vs. Brown's 5,000+/- students! Then, when he broke his contract with Brown to go to Vanderbilt (but 2 years of a contract that I believe was at least 5 years), the folks in Rhode Island were equally up in arms, not because they put Vanderbilt down but because Gee had a contract for X number of years that he broke because Vanderbilt would give his wife a tenured position that Brown would not do. He and his trademark bowtie are hired guns as DFW amply demonstrated in the Gee travelogue. Finally, as important as fundraising is, I am not aware that many, if any, prior HC presidents had an established track record for fundraising. Boroughs came from GU as VP of Mission. His biggest asset was likely his position on the HC BoT. Not aware McFarland had a history of successful fundraising. Vellaccio doesn't count as "acting president" and I know from discussions with Fr. Brooks that Reedy didn't like to shmooze and not aware he was a fundraising juggernaut in his prior life. So, yes, it's a critical part of the job but suspect the person needs to show they have the potential to raise funds, not a proven track record. Ruth Simmons was named the best college President in America in 2001 by Time Magazine. Her tenure briefly coincided with Buddy Cianci's last term as Mayor of Providence before he uh, went on retreat. Does Mrs. '70 have any good Buddy Cianci stories?
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 7, 2020 18:57:18 GMT -5
I believe I sent a PM to certain posters about an encounter. Buddy was a disgrace to all Jesuit-educated folks (Fairfield grad and honorary degree holder from there).
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Post by nhteamer on Dec 9, 2020 13:01:26 GMT -5
Very well may have been a terrible human being; I certainly don't know.
YET, before Buddy Worcester and Providence alike in terms of prosperity: after Buddy, Providence light years ahead of Worcester.
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 9, 2020 14:38:24 GMT -5
That was what had me feeling positive about him for years...but the stories I have recently heard made me feel far different. I now see him as an absolute bastard becoause of how he treated ordinary people. Times change.
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 9, 2020 17:01:05 GMT -5
From some limited personal experience with Buddy, he was at best a flawed individual (and convicted criminal). That said, he has been dead and buried for some time and hopefully he is resting in peace. I have also had some limited personal experience with former RI governor and Holy Cross alum, Ed Diprete, who also served time in prison. Found him to be personally warm and engaging.
Maybe something in the water in the Ocean State as neither started their lives down the wrong path?
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