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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Oct 10, 2020 18:22:21 GMT -5
New Englanders remember Sal as the Red Sox pitching coach
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Post by longsuffering on Oct 10, 2020 23:38:01 GMT -5
I don't know how many times Sal "The Barber" Maglie faced Eddie "The Walking Man" Yost, but I bet those close shaves resulted in a few bases on balls.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Oct 11, 2020 9:50:01 GMT -5
I don't know if they ever faced each other as Yost played his entire career in the AL while Maglie was almost entirely in the NL except for 25 games at the end of his career.
Maglie had one of the strangest careers of all time, spending a few years in the minors, a few years out of professional baseball, and then debuting in the majors at age 28 in 1945. He jumped to the Mexican League and thus was banned from MLB for an extended period. He finally was allowed to return to MLB at age 33 for his second MLB season and promptly ripped off records of 18-4, 23-6, and 18-8.
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Post by Xmassader on Oct 11, 2020 20:31:57 GMT -5
longsuffering. My research indicates that Maglie only walked Yost once in the 6 or 7 games that he pitched for Cleveland and the Yankees vs. the Senators in ‘55-‘58. Interestingly enough the only walk occurred in a start that Maglie won 2-1, the only win by his team in the games he appeared vs. the Senators.
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Post by CHC8485 on Oct 11, 2020 20:41:16 GMT -5
Maglie had one of the strangest careers of all time, spending a few years in the minors, a few years out of professional baseball, and then debuting in the majors at age 28 in 1945. He jumped to the Mexican League and thus was banned from MLB for an extended period. He finally was allowed to return to MLB at age 33 for his second MLB season and promptly ripped off records of 18-4, 23-6, and 18-8. Did the Barber have a teammate in the Mexican League known as the Pharmacist?
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Post by hchoops on Oct 11, 2020 21:14:43 GMT -5
While with the Giants, he gave a close shave to more than one Dodgers batter. When he was traded to Brooklyn, he was greeted by some real hostility. He pitched a fine game 5 in the 1956 World Series vs the Yan... holding that powerful lineup to 2 runs over 8 innings. The only problem was that Don Larsen threw the only perfecto in WS history
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Post by WorcesterGray on Oct 12, 2020 5:51:07 GMT -5
[Maglie] jumped to the Mexican League and thus was banned from MLB for an extended period. He finally was allowed to return to MLB at age 33 for his second MLB season and promptly ripped off records of 18-4, 23-6, and 18-8. Maglie was one of 20+ players, collectively dubbed the "Mexican jumpers," who were lured south of the border by a pair of wealthy brothers. Most were replacement-level, but one was Max Lanier, a two-time All-Star southpaw for the Cardinals, who led the league in ERA in 1943. When Commissioner Chandler banned the jumpers from returning, Lanier sued, in an early challenge to the reserve clause - rather than risk losing the case (and the owners' iron grip on their players' livelihoods), Chandler backed off and allowed the players back in.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Oct 12, 2020 9:38:44 GMT -5
Max's son Hal was an infielder for the Giants in the 1960's and later managed the Astros
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Oct 12, 2020 9:42:16 GMT -5
Kaline, Watson, Washington, Seaver, Brock, Gibson, Ford. Heaven has a hell of a club this year. Heaven's strong 2020 club now has a 2B. R. I. P. Joe Morgan.
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Post by rgs318 on Oct 12, 2020 9:51:30 GMT -5
Losing so many of the truly great ones so close together...sad. May his soul rest in peace.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Oct 12, 2020 10:50:11 GMT -5
RIP Joe Morgan. In my opinion he was one of the all-time greats, the best second baseman of the post-war era. He was a good fielder and at bat had that great on base percentage and had some real pop in his bat with 250+ home runs.
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Post by hchoops on Oct 12, 2020 11:08:04 GMT -5
RIP Joe Morgan. In my opinion he was one of the all-time greats, the best second baseman of the post-war era. He was a good fielder and at bat had that great on base percentage and had some real pop in his bat with 250+ home runs. Also a strong fielder and base thief
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Post by Tom on Oct 12, 2020 11:46:31 GMT -5
Kaline, Watson, Washington, Seaver, Brock, Gibson, Ford. Heaven has a hell of a club this year. Heaven's strong 2020 club now has a 2B. R. I. P. Joe Morgan. one of the best 2nd basemen of my baseball watching days. Not in the announcing hall of fame
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Post by WorcesterGray on Oct 12, 2020 13:23:09 GMT -5
Worst. Year. Ever.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Oct 12, 2020 13:25:51 GMT -5
Bill James ranked Morgan as the best 2B ever (ahead of Eddie Collins and Rogers Hornsby), and the “greatest percentages player in baseball history” due to his strong fielding percentage, stolen-base percentage, walk-to-strikeout ratio, and walks per plate appearance.
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Post by hchoops on Oct 12, 2020 13:32:53 GMT -5
Bill James ranked Morgan as the best 2B ever (ahead of Eddie Collins and Rogers Hornsby), and the “greatest percentages player in baseball history” due to his strong fielding percentage, stolen-base percentage, walk-to-strikeout ratio, and walks per plate appearance. I presume the traditional stat argument against his being the best second baseman is his career BA of .271 Also his post season BA of .182 and OPS of .671, far below his solid regular season of .819 Obviously of a different era, but Rogers Hornsby has a very strong case as the best. 2 triple crowns, 7 batting titles, 9 on base % titles, 9 slugging % titles
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Oct 12, 2020 13:33:11 GMT -5
The loss of 6 of maybe 80 living HOFers within just a few months is hard to believe.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Oct 12, 2020 13:45:12 GMT -5
Bill James ranked Morgan as the best 2B ever (ahead of Eddie Collins and Rogers Hornsby), and the “greatest percentages player in baseball history” due to his strong fielding percentage, stolen-base percentage, walk-to-strikeout ratio, and walks per plate appearance. I presume the traditional stat argument against his being the best second baseman is his career BA of .271 I don’t look at the batting average as much as the OBP and Joe excelled there. I think the reason he is not universally ranked as the best second baseman ever is the competition. Rogers Hornsby was one of the best handful of hitters ever, for example he led the NL in OPS 12 times; and Eddie Collins was an on-base machine and a phenomenal fielder.
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Post by sader1970 on Oct 12, 2020 14:07:59 GMT -5
So, are all these guys now going to come out of a cornfield to play baseball with some lucky farmer?
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Dec 7, 2020 16:09:38 GMT -5
Heaven's strong 2020 club now has a 1B. R.I.P. Dick Allen.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 7, 2020 16:26:33 GMT -5
Dick Allen was a great ballplayer who got a bad rap as a troublemaker. You can make a case for him as a HOFer but he is hurt by the undeserved rep and the fact that he did not play long enough to get, say, 2,000 hits and 400 homers. The baseball-reference algorithm lists his similar batters as copied below, but note that none are in the Hall yet.
Ryan Braun (933.6) Lance Berkman (903.2) Reggie Smith (894.0) Ellis Burks (890.8) Brian Giles (889.9) Nelson Cruz (884.8) Jermaine Dye (880.7) George Foster (880.1) Fred Lynn (875.8) Tim Salmon (875.8)
JAWS has him as the #17 third baseman and I think that position may have the fewest HOFers. Several are ranked below him including one or two who should never, in my opinion, made the Hall.
May his soul rest in peace.
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Post by hchoops on Dec 7, 2020 16:59:28 GMT -5
Ky, What is Allen’s # on this algorithm ?
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Dec 7, 2020 17:31:03 GMT -5
What hurt Allen when measured against other greats is that while he played the majority of his games at 1B, he also played a lot at the hot corner, as well as a couple hundred in the OF. This hurt him as well when being judged against others for HoF çriteria, as "utility" guys - so to speak - don't get the same run.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Dec 7, 2020 19:01:21 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2020 20:23:41 GMT -5
In a game back in 1974 Chuck Tanner penciled in Dick Allen as the lead off hitter against the Red Sox Bill Lee. Allen hit a home run that a Globe writer said it landed somewhere in Maine. Allen used a 42oz. bat.He also was an All State basketball player from Wampum.Pa. RIP Crash
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