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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Oct 14, 2020 14:46:34 GMT -5
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Post by thecrossisback on Oct 14, 2020 16:57:51 GMT -5
Nice, but how did we lose it in 2024?
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Post by longsuffering on Oct 14, 2020 19:17:27 GMT -5
Nice, but how did we lose it in 2024? Somebody looked at the team's w/l record?  I don't think you lose these hosting opportunities, I would guess it is more a matter of the NCAA trying to be fair to all the cities in the Northeast that have built civic centers/arenas to try to generate "spin-off" economic activity. These arenas are kind of a public subsidy for minor league hockey because how many AHL or ECHL teams could finance their own arenas conveniently located downtown and accessible to public transportation? |
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Oct 14, 2020 20:27:43 GMT -5
They are bid on by the cities/host schools much like the MBB Tourney. Not going to be in Worc every year, much like the hoop tourney isn't going to be in Prov every year, though Prov does the best job by far of any city/venue in the northeast.
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Post by bfoley82 on Oct 15, 2020 2:09:09 GMT -5
Nice, but how did we lose it in 2024? Lost it to AIC and UMass who are hosting at the MassMutual Center in 2024 with Brown doing the hosting in Providence |
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Post by sader1970 on Oct 15, 2020 5:09:18 GMT -5
Showcasing my ignorance or lack of memory, why would a school sponsor these events especially if the school cannot be a participant at that location (at least that’s true for basketball, right?)?
Does the sponsoring school get a cut of the gate? Is there a financial incentive or is it just to get its name out there?
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Post by rf1 on Oct 15, 2020 9:49:29 GMT -5
The DDC in Providence is hosting the following upcoming NCAA events
Men's Hockey: 2024
Men's Basketball: 2021, 2025
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Post by Tom on Oct 15, 2020 10:13:37 GMT -5
There has been a nice alternating set up for Worcester and Manchester NH the last few years on hockey. Pretty much every other year NCAA hockey at the Centrum Agree with ACTP, Providence does a great job with the hoops. Best of the cities at which I've attended the Dance. Sadly, I will not be attending this year - primarily because I don't believe there will be games I do not think there is much financial incentive for hosting. The host used to control the tickets, but now it seems to be more in the hands of Ticketmaster and legalized scalpers. There is prestige in hosting, but also hassles. I remember Dick Regan saying the athletic department was stretched thin in 2005 with hosting the NCAA in Worcester, guys playing in the NIT, and girls in the NCAA's all at the same time |
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Post by bfoley82 on Oct 15, 2020 10:19:36 GMT -5
Showcasing my ignorance or lack of memory, why would a school sponsor these events especially if the school cannot be a participant at that location (at least that’s true for basketball, right?)? Does the sponsoring school get a cut of the gate? Is there a financial incentive or is it just to get its name out there? In Hockey, if you host and make the tourney you go there to play. |
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Post by bfoley82 on Oct 15, 2020 10:20:50 GMT -5
The DDC in Providence is hosting the following upcoming NCAA events Men's Hockey: 2024 Men's Basketball: 2021, 2025 Johnson and Wales is hosting D3 wrestling finals in 2025 there also. |
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Oct 15, 2020 10:43:47 GMT -5
Does the sponsoring school get a cut of the gate? Is there a financial incentive or is it just to get its name out there? School "name out there" via mentions on all advertising/promos, bunch of tickets for school to sell/comp, and a couple of suites for school use is pretty much it. |
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Post by sader1970 on Oct 15, 2020 13:06:18 GMT -5
Saw the Holy Cross name on the DCU court when we hosted the basketball tournament games. Just doesn't sound like it's worth it. Others probably here disagree.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Oct 15, 2020 16:32:41 GMT -5
^ ?
It doesn't cost HC a dime. Schools don't pay for the privilege to host. Just provide logistical support - so why isn't that worth it?
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Post by bfoley82 on Oct 15, 2020 21:35:31 GMT -5
^ ?It doesn't cost HC a dime. Schools don't pay for the privilege to host. Just provide logistical support - so why isn't that worth it? It can cost money to host. This is before we even talk about marketing/staffing by the host. "Guarantee – A minimum financial guarantee of $150,000 is required to host the Men’s Ice Hockey Regionals. After gross receipts are determined, the NCAA will receive the established guarantee, followed by the host/LOC receiving the budgeted expenses or actual expenses, whichever is less. Once both of those obligations have been met, if there are any remaining funds, the NCAA and the host/LOC will split those 80% for the NCAA and 20% for the host/LOC." Source: ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.com/championships/sports/icehockey/d1/men/2020-22D1MIH_RegionalBidSpecs.pdf |
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Oct 15, 2020 21:59:31 GMT -5
Yeah it "can" cost, but never does for DCU/HC based on usual # of attendees, and if a venue can't sell 150k in tix, they're not being asked to host/bid. Trust me- HC isn't scratching a check for this, and if they ever had to, they wouldn't have hosted as often as they have.
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Post by bfoley82 on Oct 15, 2020 22:09:49 GMT -5
Yeah it "can" cost, but never does for DCU/HC based on usual # of attendees, and if a venue can't sell 150k in tix, they're not being asked to host/bid. Trust me- HC isn't scratching a check for this, and if they ever had to, they wouldn't have hosted as often as they have. At 75 dollars for a package (it is usually around there for a weekend package), that is 2,000 tickets sold. |
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Post by sader1970 on Oct 16, 2020 10:29:54 GMT -5
ACTP, perhaps I'm reading too much into your response but seems to have an edge to it. I stipulated that I had no idea what was involved but assumed "sponsoring" these events meant Holy Cross would be putting up $$$. Silly me for thinking the word "sponsor" had a traditional meaning:
sponsor
[ˈspänsər]
NOUN
an individual or organization that pays some or all of the costs involved in staging a sporting or artistic event in return for advertising.
"the production cost $50,000, most coming from local sponsors"
I'll retire from the field and let you and foley duke it out for whether this makes sense or not for HC. Perhaps like in so many other cases on Crossports, when you guys are finished with the subject, I will be better educated. Not that this is the most important subject on today's agenda.
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Post by Tom on Oct 16, 2020 10:39:25 GMT -5
a minor semantics point:
No one has used the term sponsor. A school or conference hosts the event
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Post by bfoley82 on Oct 16, 2020 10:44:38 GMT -5
ACTP, perhaps I'm reading too much into your response but seems to have an edge to it. I stipulated that I had no idea what was involved but assumed "sponsoring" these events meant Holy Cross would be putting up $$$. Silly me for thinking the word "sponsor" had a traditional meaning: sponsor
[ˈspänsər] NOUN an individual or organization that pays some or all of the costs involved in staging a sporting or artistic event in return for advertising."the production cost $50,000, most coming from local sponsors" I'll retire from the field and let you and foley duke it out for whether this makes sense or not for HC. Perhaps like in so many other cases on Crossports, when you guys are finished with the subject, I will be better educated. Not that this is the most important subject on today's agenda. I am NOT fighting over this but you guys can see the things that a host school needs to have in their bid with the NCAA documents here ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.com/championships/sports/icehockey/d1/men/2020-22D1MIH_RegionalBidSpecs.pdf |
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Post by sader1970 on Oct 16, 2020 11:16:54 GMT -5
Tom, I can always count on you for a correction on the board!
Your honor, I withdraw my objection (and posts). I was wrong. But, it does reinforce my original comment that I don't know how this all works and why HC would get involved. [Tom, feel free to double check if that was in my original post. I'm too lazy to go back up and look.]
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Post by rf1 on Oct 16, 2020 12:39:59 GMT -5
It makes sense that Worcester should be in the regular rotation for the men's hockey regional most years. 10 of the 61 schools that compete in the sport are located in Massachusetts (another ten teams are from the other five New England states). One would reasonably therefore think that the state would host a regional nearly every year. The Boston Garden appears to more interested in hosting the Frozen-4 than the early rounds. The DCU Center is the next biggest venue in Massachusetts.
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Post by unhfan on Oct 17, 2020 9:51:37 GMT -5
UNH will host in 2021, 2023, and 2025 along with hosting the Women's Frozen Four in 2024 at the Whittemore Center.
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Post by HC92 on Oct 18, 2020 8:59:54 GMT -5
I remember Dick Regan saying the athletic department was stretched thin in 2005 with hosting the NCAA in Worcester, guys playing in the NIT, and girls in the NCAA's all at the same time What I wouldn’t pay to have this problem rear its ugly head again. |
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