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Post by sader1970 on Nov 20, 2020 10:03:29 GMT -5
If I was a hockey fan, I'd be crushed. But as an all-things Crusader fan, just seriously disappointed. The Berard teams just seem to have a bent toward losing games they should win but occasionally pulling off the big upset against ranked teams. Was always taught that "consistency is the mark of a champion" and these HC hockey teams have been anything but consistent.
Do I recall correctly that Berard had a fairly recent extension of his contract?
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Post by sader1970 on Nov 20, 2020 10:39:16 GMT -5
A tangential question: the game against LIU was the 1st of a doubleheader with the 2nd game being played Sunday afternoon. Here's the question: where will the LIU team be from the end of last night's game until Sunday afternoon? Are they staying in Worcester? I wouldn't think they'd head back to NY and then come back up to Worcester for the 2nd game. On the other hand, stay in Worcester all day Friday, Saturday and most of Sunday? What's the best answer vs. covid?
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Post by WorcesterGray on Nov 20, 2020 10:41:39 GMT -5
Two years ago, Nate Pine extended Berard through the 2022 season. He's had back to back 20-loss seasons since then, and a longer history of futility in the tournament. He may get one more pass because of COVID, but I can't imagine his leash getting much shorter.
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Post by coachrt on Nov 20, 2020 10:44:14 GMT -5
A tangential question: the game against LIU was the 1st of a doubleheader with the 2nd game being played Sunday afternoon. Here's the question: where will the LIU team be from the end of last night's game until Sunday afternoon? Are they staying in Worcester? I wouldn't think they'd head back to NY and then come back up to Worcester for the 2nd game. On the other hand, stay in Worcester all day Friday, Saturday and most of Sunday? What's the best answer vs. covid? Yea that is what I was thinking. Seems to be a bit of odd scheduling. Why isn't the game being played on Saturday or even tonight. I can't imagine LIU would think its prudent to spend more than 2 days in a hotel in a different state with nothing to do.
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Post by sader1970 on Nov 20, 2020 10:50:20 GMT -5
Sure not in Worcester! Never Shangri-La but certainly not a place to hang out during a pandemic.
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Post by bfoley82 on Nov 20, 2020 11:40:50 GMT -5
A tangential question: the game against LIU was the 1st of a doubleheader with the 2nd game being played Sunday afternoon. Here's the question: where will the LIU team be from the end of last night's game until Sunday afternoon? Are they staying in Worcester? I wouldn't think they'd head back to NY and then come back up to Worcester for the 2nd game. On the other hand, stay in Worcester all day Friday, Saturday and most of Sunday? What's the best answer vs. covid? Yea that is what I was thinking. Seems to be a bit of odd scheduling. Why isn't the game being played on Saturday or even tonight. I can't imagine LIU would think its prudent to spend more than 2 days in a hotel in a different state with nothing to do. Just an educated guess, the women are home the next two days and with the Hart’s locker room situations, it isn’t feasible to have two visiting teams crossing over.
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Post by HC92 on Nov 20, 2020 12:02:48 GMT -5
Don’t want to react to one game but, man alive, we need to get better at hockey. We’ll obviously see how the season plays out but if it plays out the way the last few have, we need to be on the hunt for the hockey version of Chesney come springtime.
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Post by bfoley82 on Nov 20, 2020 12:43:02 GMT -5
Don’t want to react to one game but, man alive, we need to get better at hockey. We’ll obviously see how the season plays out but if it plays out the way the last few have, we need to be on the hunt for the hockey version of Chesney come springtime. How about we play this game? Where would you rate Holy Cross hockey's facilities to the rest of the conference? We all know the advantages Air Force and Army have to let's take them out of the argument. Clearly better than Holy Cross facilities AIC practices and plays in the Mass Mutual Center. RIT Bentley Canisius Sacred Heart We can now argue that Holy Cross is on equal standing as Robert Morris, Mercyhurst, and Niagara but there is a clean drop-off in facilities from the top five.
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Post by purplehaze on Nov 20, 2020 12:55:52 GMT -5
I believe our facilities are better than any others who have to bus to practice or games such as SHU, AIC and Canisius (I think their rink is off campus). On campus is most important
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Post by bfoley82 on Nov 20, 2020 13:02:23 GMT -5
I believe our facilities are better than any others who have to bus to practice or games such as SHU, AIC and Canisius (I think their rink is off campus). On campus is most important I think playing in AHL rinks like SHU and AIC do draws the recruits more than an on-campus facility with 1500 seats that never sells out. Canisius plays in the Sabres NHL practice rink which has also hosted the World Juniors and the Atlantic Hockey Championship so it isn't a dump at all.
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Post by rgs318 on Nov 20, 2020 13:18:23 GMT -5
If I was a hockey fan, I'd be crushed. But as an all-things Crusader fan, just seriously disappointed. The Berard teams just seem to have a bent toward losing games they should win but occasionally pulling off the big upset against ranked teams. Was always taught that "consistency is the mark of a champion" and these HC hockey teams have been anything but consistent. Do I recall correctly that Berard had a fairly recent extension of his contract? I agree about our recent records, but I see this team as consistent...early lead, competitive play but falling behind and then losing in the end. That seems ;pretty consistent...sadly.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Nov 20, 2020 13:45:57 GMT -5
blah, Blah, BLAH we LOST VERY disappointing............and worrisome. We are past worrisome.
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Post by HC92 on Nov 20, 2020 15:37:53 GMT -5
Don’t want to react to one game but, man alive, we need to get better at hockey. We’ll obviously see how the season plays out but if it plays out the way the last few have, we need to be on the hunt for the hockey version of Chesney come springtime. How about we play this game? Where would you rate Holy Cross hockey's facilities to the rest of the conference? We all know the advantages Air Force and Army have to let's take them out of the argument. Clearly better than Holy Cross facilities AIC practices and plays in the Mass Mutual Center. RIT Bentley Canisius Sacred Heart We can now argue that Holy Cross is on equal standing as Robert Morris, Mercyhurst, and Niagara but there is a clean drop-off in facilities from the top five. If AIC can beat the #1 team in the country with a crap school and a crap campus and an empty, cavernous off-campus arena, we should be able to win an AHA playoff game. Do you think Eric Lang could win at HC? I think he’d figure it out.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Nov 21, 2020 0:53:29 GMT -5
Of the schools listed above, in the year 2020, the place they play Ice Hockey is better for the fan viewing experience currently than HC. But all in all, they do not have overall better facilities across the board for their entire athletic program, with several of the schools lacking the space on campus to house their other sports.
Let’s provide a high level comparison of overall programs.
* AIC - Division 2 programs for all sports, except Men’s Ice Hockey, AIC now has their institutional athletic aspirations in achieving success in D1 Men’s hockey. AIC does not have a Women’s Ice Hockey program. All sports are not played on campus as Tennis is played off campus in Forest Park. AIC sponsors 22 sports.
* RIT - Division 3 program for all sports, except Men’s and Women’s Ice Hockey. RIT sponsors 22 sports, but does not play football.
* Bentley - Division 2 program for all sports except Men’s Ice Hockey. Bentley does not have Women’s Ice Hockey and currently sponsors 21 sports.
* Canisus - Division 1 program for 20 sports. Canisius does not currently sponsor Football or Women’s Ice Hockey.
* Sacred Heart - Division 1 program that sponsors 32 athletic teams, 14 men, 18 women. Sacred Heart appears to be making the same move as Quinnipiac in emphasizing Ice Hockey ahead of their other sports. SHU plays their home Field Hockey games at Yale, and is in search of baseball facility when Bridgeport decided to convert Harbor Yards from baseball to an outdoor concert amphitheater.
Additional points of comparison: * Three of the five schools do not sponsor Women’s Ice Hockey. * One of the five schools plays D1 football. * Two of the five schools plays D2 football * Two of the five schools do not sponsor football.
In the immediate future, next 10 to 15 years, HC has priorities that supersede the construction of a new Hockey Arena, baring a specific endowed gift in excess of 35 million. They should be:
* Strengthen Financial Aid to reduce student and parent loans, * Growing the Endowment, Creation of Endowed Faculty and Athletic positions, * Upgrade to housing options with renovation to Easy Street and Wheeler, the construction of additional housing on City View Street are needed to be prioritized for a residential institution. * After they are funded, a renovation to Fitton Field to ensure ADA compliance and a new Press Box Complex with elevator access and enclosed concessions deck and suites in the stadium should be next for construction.
Three of the five schools above have focused on Ice Hockey as their niche premier sport. With the exception of Sacred Heart and Canisius, (basketball and hockey) they have placed their athletic program eggs in one basket. Funding scholarship Hockey for both Men and Women’s teams is an expensive proposition along with a D1 Football program. Of the group above, only Sacred Heart is comparable to the HC program regarding resources dedicated.
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Post by bfoley82 on Nov 21, 2020 2:43:09 GMT -5
Of the schools listed above, in the year 2020, the place they play Ice Hockey is better for the fan viewing experience currently than HC. But all in all, they do not have overall better facilities across the board for their entire athletic program, with several of the schools lacking the space on campus to house their other sports. Let’s provide a high level comparison of overall programs. * AIC - Division 2 programs for all sports, except Men’s Ice Hockey, AIC now has their institutional athletic aspirations in achieving success in D1 Men’s hockey. AIC does not have a Women’s Ice Hockey program. All sports are not played on campus as Tennis is played off campus in Forest Park. AIC sponsors 22 sports. *;RIT - Division 3 program for all sports, except Men’s and Women’s Ice Hockey. RIT sponsors 22 sports, but does not play football. * Bentley - Division 2 program for all sports except Men’s Ice Hockey. Bentley does not have Women’s Ice Hockey and currently sponsors 21 sports. * Canisus - Division 1 program for 20 sports. Canisius does not currently sponsor Football or Women’s Ice Hockey. * Sacred Heart - Division 1 program that sponsors 32 athletic teams, 14 men, 18 women. Sacred Heart appears to be making the same move as Quinnipiac in emphasizing Ice Hockey ahead of their other sports. SHU plays their home Field Hockey games at Yale, and is in search of baseball facility when Bridgeport decided to convert Harbor Yards from baseball to an outdoor concert amphitheater. Additional points of comparison: * Three of the five schools do not sponsor Women’s Ice Hockey. * One of the five schools plays D1 football. * Two of the five schools plays D2 football * Two of the five schools do not sponsor football. In the immediate future, next 10 to 15 years, HC has priorities that supersede the construction of a new Hockey Arena, baring a specific endowed gift in excess of 35 million. They should be: * Strengthen Financial Aid to reduce student and parent loans, * Growing the Endowment, Creation of Endowed Faculty and Athletic positions, * Upgrade to housing options with renovation to Easy Street and Wheeler, the construction of additional housing on City View Street are needed to be prioritized for a residential institution. * After they are funded, a renovation to Fitton Field to ensure ADA compliance and a new Press Box Complex with elevator access and enclosed concessions deck and suites in the stadium should be next for construction. Three of the five schools above have focused on Ice Hockey as their niche premier sport. With the exception of Sacred Heart and Canisius, (basketball and hockey) they have placed their athletic program eggs in one basket. Funding scholarship Hockey for both Men and Women’s teams is an expensive proposition along with a D1 Football program. Of the group above, only Sacred Heart is comparable to the HC program regarding resources dedicated. Do you think a hockey recruit cares about the football stadium? I don’t think so or the endowment. They want to play in a nice arena and be treated well.
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Post by longsuffering on Nov 21, 2020 2:47:29 GMT -5
Of the schools listed above, in the year 2020, the place they play Ice Hockey is better for the fan viewing experience currently than HC. But all in all, they do not have overall better facilities across the board for their entire athletic program, with several of the schools lacking the space on campus to house their other sports. Let’s provide a high level comparison of overall programs. * AIC - Division 2 programs for all sports, except Men’s Ice Hockey, AIC now has their institutional athletic aspirations in achieving success in D1 Men’s hockey. AIC does not have a Women’s Ice Hockey program. All sports are not played on campus as Tennis is played off campus in Forest Park. AIC sponsors 22 sports. *;RIT - Division 3 program for all sports, except Men’s and Women’s Ice Hockey. RIT sponsors 22 sports, but does not play football. * Bentley - Division 2 program for all sports except Men’s Ice Hockey. Bentley does not have Women’s Ice Hockey and currently sponsors 21 sports. * Canisus - Division 1 program for 20 sports. Canisius does not currently sponsor Football or Women’s Ice Hockey. * Sacred Heart - Division 1 program that sponsors 32 athletic teams, 14 men, 18 women. Sacred Heart appears to be making the same move as Quinnipiac in emphasizing Ice Hockey ahead of their other sports. SHU plays their home Field Hockey games at Yale, and is in search of baseball facility when Bridgeport decided to convert Harbor Yards from baseball to an outdoor concert amphitheater. Additional points of comparison: * Three of the five schools do not sponsor Women’s Ice Hockey. * One of the five schools plays D1 football. * Two of the five schools plays D2 football * Two of the five schools do not sponsor football. In the immediate future, next 10 to 15 years, HC has priorities that supersede the construction of a new Hockey Arena, baring a specific endowed gift in excess of 35 million. They should be: * Strengthen Financial Aid to reduce student and parent loans, * Growing the Endowment, Creation of Endowed Faculty and Athletic positions, * Upgrade to housing options with renovation to Easy Street and Wheeler, the construction of additional housing on City View Street are needed to be prioritized for a residential institution. * After they are funded, a renovation to Fitton Field to ensure ADA compliance and a new Press Box Complex with elevator access and enclosed concessions deck and suites in the stadium should be next for construction. Three of the five schools above have focused on Ice Hockey as their niche premier sport. With the exception of Sacred Heart and Canisius, (basketball and hockey) they have placed their athletic program eggs in one basket. Funding scholarship Hockey for both Men and Women’s teams is an expensive proposition along with a D1 Football program. Of the group above, only Sacred Heart is comparable to the HC program regarding resources dedicated. You could add that Holy Cross Women's Hockey is the only D-1 power conference team among HC and the five other AHA schools in the above comparison. However, I still feel admiration for AIC for what they have done with Men's hockey.
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Post by longsuffering on Nov 21, 2020 2:59:10 GMT -5
Two years ago, Nate Pine extended Berard through the 2022 season. He's had back to back 20-loss seasons since then, and a longer history of futility in the tournament. He may get one more pass because of COVID, but I can't imagine his leash getting much shorter. I wonder which schools Nate Pine was so hotly competing against to retain Coach Berard's services that he had to guarantee a half million dollars or so to keep him?
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Post by Crucis#1 on Nov 21, 2020 3:27:10 GMT -5
Of the schools listed above, in the year 2020, the place they play Ice Hockey is better for the fan viewing experience currently than HC. But all in all, they do not have overall better facilities across the board for their entire athletic program, with several of the schools lacking the space on campus to house their other sports. Let’s provide a high level comparison of overall programs. * AIC - Division 2 programs for all sports, except Men’s Ice Hockey, AIC now has their institutional athletic aspirations in achieving success in D1 Men’s hockey. AIC does not have a Women’s Ice Hockey program. All sports are not played on campus as Tennis is played off campus in Forest Park. AIC sponsors 22 sports. *;RIT - Division 3 program for all sports, except Men’s and Women’s Ice Hockey. RIT sponsors 22 sports, but does not play football. * Bentley - Division 2 program for all sports except Men’s Ice Hockey. Bentley does not have Women’s Ice Hockey and currently sponsors 21 sports. * Canisus - Division 1 program for 20 sports. Canisius does not currently sponsor Football or Women’s Ice Hockey. * Sacred Heart - Division 1 program that sponsors 32 athletic teams, 14 men, 18 women. Sacred Heart appears to be making the same move as Quinnipiac in emphasizing Ice Hockey ahead of their other sports. SHU plays their home Field Hockey games at Yale, and is in search of baseball facility when Bridgeport decided to convert Harbor Yards from baseball to an outdoor concert amphitheater. Additional points of comparison: * Three of the five schools do not sponsor Women’s Ice Hockey. * One of the five schools plays D1 football. * Two of the five schools plays D2 football * Two of the five schools do not sponsor football. In the immediate future, next 10 to 15 years, HC has priorities that supersede the construction of a new Hockey Arena, baring a specific endowed gift in excess of 35 million. They should be: * Strengthen Financial Aid to reduce student and parent loans, * Growing the Endowment, Creation of Endowed Faculty and Athletic positions, * Upgrade to housing options with renovation to Easy Street and Wheeler, the construction of additional housing on City View Street are needed to be prioritized for a residential institution. * After they are funded, a renovation to Fitton Field to ensure ADA compliance and a new Press Box Complex with elevator access and enclosed concessions deck and suites in the stadium should be next for construction. Three of the five schools above have focused on Ice Hockey as their niche premier sport. With the exception of Sacred Heart and Canisius, (basketball and hockey) they have placed their athletic program eggs in one basket. Funding scholarship Hockey for both Men and Women’s teams is an expensive proposition along with a D1 Football program. Of the group above, only Sacred Heart is comparable to the HC program regarding resources dedicated. Do you think a hockey recruit cares about the football stadium? I don’t think so or the endowment. They want to play in a nice arena and be treated well. The hockey recruit will have to stand in line with the other 700 plus athletes - 469 men and 393 women, that compose the Holy Cross Community. If the nice arena is their only focus, maybe they should mature and realize life is not all about the ice while in school. Men’s Hockey has approximately 27 to 30 members, Women’s Hockey an equal number. Are you saying the HC Hockey team is not being treated well? Without an endowment, the programs cannot be sustained . Time for a financial reality check when many schools have recently closed due to their financial health. Building an ice palace is not in the immediate future for any institution looking for their sustainable health in the current post Covid environment. On on another point, the Class of 1923 built a beautiful ice arena at the University of Pennsylvania., 2,500 seats that opened in 1970. With resources far greater than Holy Cross, Univ of Pennsylvania shut down their varsity program in 1978. Penn now has a club team, with possible hopes before Covid of resurrecting a team to varsity status. Penn as an institution has far more financial resources at their disposal than HC for athletics. The Athletic Director, Head Baseball Coach, Head Men’s Basketball Coach, Men’s Heavyweight Crew Coach, Men’s Lightweight Crew Coach, Fencing Coach, Head Football Coach, Offensive Coordinator, Sprint Football Coach, Men’s Lacrosse Coach, Men’s Soccer Coach, Women’s Soccer Coach (former HC Coach Casey Brown) and Track and Field Coach are Endowed Coaching positions. Please see the directory below. The only way Ice Hockey will be brought back to Varsity Status is with specific Endowment to fund the program. pennathletics.com/staff-directoryen.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penn_Quakers_men%27s_ice_hockeyFrom the Penn Hockey Wiki page, On July 9, 2019, a university-supported endowment for both the men's and women's ice hockey programs was announced.[5] This was later further explained in the team's "2025 Vision" plan, which included a road map for the team to follow from ACHA Division II to NCAA Division I by the year 2025.[6] At the time there was no plan to promote either program to the Division I level.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Nov 21, 2020 4:23:54 GMT -5
Princeton plays Hockey in a 2,045 seat, 99 year old facility. While almost a century old it has been upgraded over the years. Princeton with their financial resources are not looking to build a new arena to impress recruits. Hobey Baker serves its purpose in the current environment. goprincetontigers.com/facilities/hobey-baker-rink/10I enjoy Hockey as much if not more than many other ‘Saders. Attended a game at MIT, standing in a open air rink with no cover, on a cold January night in 1972. Outside of the Syracuse Football game in 1973, it was the coldest HC athletic event I have attended. I do not see it in the cards for a new or expanded Hart arena in the near future. Building a 4,000 + seat rink on campus, to meet Hockey East guidelines is not currently economically feasible without a targeted endowed gift to build. I wish Sacred Heart luck and financial viability if they can successfully build and sustain a new rink. Hope they make it multi purpose so that the basketball team can play in a nice facility as well. Fairfield University, in the same town as Sacred Heart dropped Hockey as a varsity sport in 2003. Maybe Bobby V at Sacred Heart has a magic wand that neither Paul Schlickmann nor his predecessor Gene Doris possesses.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Nov 21, 2020 4:39:41 GMT -5
Long suffering said “You could add that Holy Cross Women's Hockey is the only D-1 power conference team among HC and the five other AHA schools in the above comparison. However, I still feel admiration for AIC for what they have done with Men's hockey.”
I do not feel the same. You would not feel admiration for AIC hockey, if you were told that hockey practice, takes priority by their players above anything else. But the same can be said for so many other programs. AIC players are not alone with the solo focus that laceing them up must come first.
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Post by princetoncrusader on Nov 21, 2020 9:38:15 GMT -5
Princeton plays Hockey in a 2,045 seat, 99 year old facility. While almost a century old it has been upgraded over the years. Princeton with their financial resources are not looking to build a new arena to impress recruits. Hobey Baker serves its purpose in the current environment. goprincetontigers.com/facilities/hobey-baker-rink/10I enjoy Hockey as much if not more than many other ‘Saders. Attended a game at MIT, standing in a open air rink with no cover, on a cold January night in 1972. Outside of the Syracuse Football game in 1973, it was the coldest HC athletic event I have attended. I do not see it in the cards for a new or expanded Hart arena in the near future. Building a 4,000 + seat rink on campus, to meet Hockey East guidelines is not currently economically feasible without a targeted endowed gift to build. I wish Sacred Heart luck and financial viability if they can successfully build and sustain a new rink. Hope they make it multi purpose so that the basketball team can play in a nice facility as well. Fairfield University, in the same town as Sacred Heart dropped Hockey as a varsity sport in 2003. Maybe Bobby V at Sacred Heart has a magic wand that neither Paul Schlickmann nor his predecessor Gene Doris possesses. While not a big hockey fan, i did have the pleasure of watching the HC team play against Princeton at the Baker Rink in 2017. In my view it's the hockey equivalent of the Palestra, an old building with character where the fans are right on top of the action. Despite the small capacity, the PU administration has, over the last 20 years, been able to attract some top notch non-conference teams to come to Princeton, including North Dakota, Notre Dame and Boston Univ.
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Post by jflare on Nov 21, 2020 12:33:16 GMT -5
Hold on here.... LIU first game ever in Hockey..... Most players are freshman ...... We lose to this team..... Ouch and how long have we been at hockey ..... I know the goalie is good and experienced but man this was a brutal loss.... We better give them a very solid and sound thrashing tomorrow..... Even if we do ( and we may not ) we lost a great chance to start out 2-0 and with positive momentum.... It was right there.... Lets see what happens from here but this was not good.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Nov 21, 2020 15:28:09 GMT -5
HC athletics were already in tough shape when Pine took over, but, boy, did he really torpedo things even further in a couple of our bigger sports with the hiring of Carmody and Berard.
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Post by timholycross on Nov 21, 2020 20:07:35 GMT -5
Been a long 8 months not having a HC team to complain about. Kinda feels good.
LIU was coached by Clair Bee, author of the Chip Hilton books! Met him once at a Final Four, he was well into his 80s and still getting around.
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Post by longsuffering on Nov 22, 2020 0:36:30 GMT -5
Long suffering said “You could add that Holy Cross Women's Hockey is the only D-1 power conference team among HC and the five other AHA schools in the above comparison. However, I still feel admiration for AIC for what they have done with Men's hockey.” I do not feel the same. You would not feel admiration for AIC hockey, if you were told that hockey practice, takes priority by their players above anything else. But the same can be said for so many other programs. AIC players are not alone with the solo focus that laceing them up must come first. I felt happy for AIC advancing to the NCAA tournament in the David vs Goliath/rooting for the underdog sense. I did not know of their hockey factory tactics. Those surely validate AIC being known as "Almost In College."
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