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Post by Xmassader on Nov 24, 2020 7:56:27 GMT -5
DiMarz To your point about an “inoculation card”, I saw on the news last night that Qantas, the Australian airline, will begin to require proof of inoculation from all passengers once the various vaccines become widely distributed. I suspect that may become a trend with other airlines and other “close proximity venues”.
Further on the topic of inoculations—I would recommend the two-shot shingles vaccine (Shingrix) (supposedly 90% effective). People have varying reactions to the shots (sore arm, mild flu symptoms for 24-48 hours). I was fortunate and did not experience those reactions. However, even if I had experienced those reactions, it would have been far better than having shingles which I did in 2008. It is my understanding that, for any of us who have had chicken pox, the virus can remain dormant in your system for years and then come back in the form of shingles which is typically more painful and long lasting than chicken pox.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Nov 24, 2020 8:06:04 GMT -5
The Moderna and Pfizer vaccines are about 95% effective. The AstraZenica vaccine is, on average, about 70 percent effective (AstraZenica's Phase 3 ran two prongs, with different dosages in each prong, and one prong was 60 percent effective, the other 90 percent.) 95 percent effective is not 100 percent effective, so even though vaccinated, one can still become infected.
In the Moderna trial, 11 of the trial participants became severely ill. All were in the placebo group. In the Pfizer trial, one of the vaccinated participants became severely ill. My understanding is that in both trials, individuals in the vaccinated and placebo groups were tested when and if they developed symptoms associated with a possible COVID infection. (I do not know if the one severely ill Pfizer participant was in the 60 percent effective prong.)
Moderna trial reported 95 participants infected with COVID, 90 were in the placebo group.
Given the priority tiering of who gets the vaccine when, it is likely that vaccinations for Crossports posters* who are of a certain age or have an underlying health condition will not commence until about 20 million Americans will already have been vaccinated. * Health care professionals who may be exposed to COVID patients are at the top of the list.
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Post by rgs318 on Nov 24, 2020 8:22:55 GMT -5
On the topic of inoculations—I would recommend the two-shot shingles vaccine (Shingrix) (supposedly 90% effective). People have varying reactions to the shots (sore arm, mild flu symptoms for 24-48 hours). I was fortunate and did not experience those reactions. However, even if I had experienced those reactions, it would have been far better than having shingles which I did in 2008. It is my understanding that, for any of us who have had chicken pox, the virus can remain dormant in your system for years and then come back in the form of shingles which is typically more painful and long lasting than chicken pox. I had no reaction that I noticed to the first shingles shot...soreness and a slight fever after the second. No big deal. Remember, many do not give this vaccine to anyone under 50. Our daughter-in-law had it on her head recently...not visible to others but painful. She is only in her late 30s. If you are a senior, I would (from a personal, non-medical background, recommend you get it.
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Post by sader1970 on Nov 24, 2020 12:26:35 GMT -5
1. Yes, Crucis, I have a couple of “official” Holy Cross masks but prefer my KN-95 masks except special occasions. 2. Had my high dose flu shot and only reaction was a little soreness in the shot area for less than 24 hours. 3. I have to check my records. Think I had the shingles vaccine but years ago. I know I had a pneumonia shot but not sure which one. Have to check that one too. 4. See? Crossports doing a good job, not just about sports but medical!
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Post by longsuffering on Nov 24, 2020 21:46:54 GMT -5
I'll get the first dose, then the second dose, then exhale.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Nov 30, 2020 8:40:20 GMT -5
An update of Moderna's trial results, as it applies for approval from the FDA. The independent review board will meet on Dec 17th on the application. The board meets on December 10th on Pfizer's application.
In Moderna's 30,000 person trial, with half getting vaccine, and half placebo, there were 196 cases reported. 185 of those cases were in the placebo prong, 11 in the vaccinated prong, leading to an efficacy rate of 94.1 percent.
More importantly, there were 30 cases of severe COVID in the placebo group, and one death. No severe cases or deaths in the vaccinated group. Moderna reports the second shot produces more discomfort.
Pfizer reported 10 severe cases, out of 170 individuals infected with COVID. Pfizer reported one case of severe illness in the vaccinated group, and nine severe cases reported in the placebo group.
Moderna's 30 severe cases are a significantly higher percentage of the total infected cases than for Pfizer, which may be a result of Moderna having a broader demographic sample in its trial (at NIAID's (Fauci) insistence). _________________ AstraZenica Oxford's vaccine Phase 3 trial needs to be redone, because the befuddling results could not be explained.
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Post by rgs318 on Nov 30, 2020 9:35:10 GMT -5
I heard of a proposal to give $1500 to each person when they receive a Covid 19 vaccine. That helps increase societal immunity and also gives society an important economic stimulus. I thought it was interesting.
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Post by HCFC45 on Dec 6, 2020 9:21:28 GMT -5
On the topic of inoculations—I would recommend the two-shot shingles vaccine (Shingrix) (supposedly 90% effective). People have varying reactions to the shots (sore arm, mild flu symptoms for 24-48 hours). I was fortunate and did not experience those reactions. However, even if I had experienced those reactions, it would have been far better than having shingles which I did in 2008. It is my understanding that, for any of us who have had chicken pox, the virus can remain dormant in your system for years and then come back in the form of shingles which is typically more painful and long lasting than chicken pox. I had no reaction that I noticed to the first shingles shot...soreness and a slight fever after the second. No big deal. Remember, many do not give this vaccine to anyone under 50. Our daughter-in-law had it on her head recently...not visible to others but painful. She is only in her late 30s. If you are a senior, I would (from a personal, non-medical background, recommend you get it. Some 3 weeks ago I called our local CVS about getting the Shingrix shot. They told me there was a 2 month waiting list. Being skeptical I went in to CVS and spoke with a pharmacy tech and she tells me now there is a 6 month waiting list. Wow, that's strange. No explanation for the lack of vaccine given. So my wife and I get put on a waiting list... A couple of weeks go by and again being skeptical, I called a Walgreen's pharmacy in a neighboring town. They said come on in we have the vaccine! So we make plans to go there in a day or two. Then, out of the blue, last Sunday morning, our local CVS calls and asks "when do you want to come in and get your shingles shot"? From 2 months, to 6 months to now come on in!!! Anyway, we went last Thursday and got the first dose. I had no reaction at all, my wife had soreness in the area of the shot the day after. Next installment in 2 to 6 months! I have had family members, aunt/uncle and friends who had shingles. Not pretty and extremely painful!
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Post by bringbackcaro on Dec 6, 2020 9:43:58 GMT -5
A perfect tweet from this weekend:
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 6, 2020 10:33:47 GMT -5
LOL
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Post by Xmassader on Dec 6, 2020 11:45:56 GMT -5
HCFC45 As I noted in a previous post, my personal experience with shingles is consistent with that of your family members. In 2018, I too had difficulty finding Shingrix vaccine availability. My wife had gotten her first Shingrix shot in February or March of 2018 but, when I went to get my first shot in June or July, the pharmacy (and my doctor’s office) said they were all out and to come back in early 2019. I was called to get the first shot then but spent some time discussing the timing with the pharmacy because I wanted to make sure that the second dose would be available within the 3-6 month window recommended. It eventually worked out and I got the second shot slightly more than 3 months after the first.
I envision the same timing issue potentially arising with the 2 part Covid vaccines. My initial thought would be not to get the first shot until the pharmacy could “guarantee” the availability of the second dose within the suggested 3-4 week time frame. This promises to be a significant logistical consideration related to the roll out of the vaccine since significantly more people are likely to be inoculated for Covid than the shingles.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Dec 6, 2020 15:04:18 GMT -5
You will be given a vaccination record card which will indicate date of first vaccination shot, and manufacturer. You will bring that with you for the second booster shot. I expect the shots will be entered into an electronic database. From reading an article about vaccine distribution today, it appears that some states will receive Moderna's vaccine, other states will receive Pfizers. That will reduce the chance that someone who received a Pfizer first shot is given a Moderna booster shot. It also seems that some airlines will ask you to present the vaccination card prior to boarding. This may be for international flights though.
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 6, 2020 17:04:21 GMT -5
And I believe that the Pfizer vaccine that requires ultra-cold distributors and storage will go to more urban/suburban settings where there are focused efforts at getting the appropriate storage and Moderna vaccine going to more rural areas where their not-as-cold requirements will “travel better.”
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