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Post by purplehaze on Nov 23, 2020 17:48:55 GMT -5
Well, there's always hope to play in the spring and this poster from Lehigh lays out a schedule - it's far-fetched for sure with HC making numerous Saturday morning bus rides to the Bronx for neutral site games. www.lehighsportsforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=21081
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Post by dharry13 on Nov 23, 2020 17:52:28 GMT -5
At this point Ivy and the PL are the only two FCS leagues that haven't announced a schedule for the Spring.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Nov 23, 2020 18:35:41 GMT -5
Bear in mind that an "announced sked" doesn't necessarily mean games will be played.
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Post by hcpride on Nov 23, 2020 20:28:18 GMT -5
At this point Ivy and the PL are the only two FCS leagues that haven't announced a schedule for the Spring. As we know, the Ivies are not playing football in the Spring. Fingers crossed for the PL.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Nov 23, 2020 21:12:27 GMT -5
Why does COVID 19 have people so afraid of overnights, as if that adds so much extra risk?
What do you think is more sanitary, a hotel room at the Westin in Stamford where staff are cleaning and sanitizing on a daily basis (where we sometimes stay for Fordham) or a dorm room or off campus appt where the majority of cleaning responsibilities fall on 19 year olds?
Whether you sleep over or not, the bus ride is the same length round trip.
A same-day 3.5 hour bus ride to the Bronx from Worcester or Lewisburg for a neutral site game sounds like a recipe for awful football.
For HC-COLGATE, Albany or Amherst would make a nice halfway point for a manageable day trip for both parties. HC-FORDHAM you could play somewhere like Sacred Heart or University of New Haven as a halfway.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Nov 23, 2020 21:17:31 GMT -5
Financial.
Overnights in a hotel and transportation add additional cost in a year of 0 revenue.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Nov 23, 2020 22:10:28 GMT -5
Financial. Overnights in a hotel and transportation add additional cost in a year of 0 revenue. Complete hogwash in my opinion. The College of The Holy Cross and similar PL schools can't afford to put the varsity football up in a hotel for 1 or 2 games this season? We're talking about Division I athletics. "Zero revenue" high school teams stay in hotels when they play games that are 3-4 hour bus rides away from home. In an ideal world, we're playing six football games this spring as opposed to eleven so expenses should also be down, correct? And it's not like the college didn't cash the tuition checks in full for the fall semester. That took place. Not to mention, the expenses that didn't happen when dozen of athletic contests in various non-revenue sports were CANCELLED this fall and winter.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Nov 23, 2020 22:15:42 GMT -5
Ram-Crusader Cup is referenced in the Lehigh Forum. Since the traditional HC Crusader has been slain, shouldn't the name of the Ram-Crusader Cup change, too? Ram-Iggy Cup? Ram-Crusaders for Justice Cup? The Men & Women For Others Cup? The FU,HC Cup? (Comma is intentional) Any other names for our shared Cup? Not for SJW reasons, but "Ram-Crusader Cup" has to be one of the least creative names for a rivalry trophy in the history of sports. How about the Brooks-O'Hare Trophy, named for two of our most famous Jesuit presidents.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Nov 23, 2020 22:16:49 GMT -5
Hotel rooms and meals per game can’t be more than $10,000, a “rounding error” in the grand scheme of things
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Post by timholycross on Nov 23, 2020 22:18:30 GMT -5
I gotta think the first 3 games at least should not be at Fitton, tough to depend on a grass field in Worcester in February/early March.
Of course, if no fans, the field on the hill could be used instead. Hope it doesn't come to that.
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Post by hchoops on Nov 23, 2020 22:29:29 GMT -5
If the PL is allowing indoor hoops in January, February and early March with limited travel,, they should allow outdoor football in March and April with limited travel.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Nov 23, 2020 22:30:14 GMT -5
Here are branding ideas to rename the Ram-Crusader Cup and the annual game....
The Magis Cup, The Ignatian Challenge, The Black Robe Confrontation, The Ad Maiorem Bowl,
The annual event could be marketed as “The Jesuits Brawl” since “the Holy War” is already being used by two other institutions that should not be named.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Nov 23, 2020 23:00:02 GMT -5
Financial. Overnights in a hotel and transportation add additional cost in a year of 0 revenue. Complete hogwash in my opinion. The College of The Holy Cross and similar PL schools can't afford to put the varsity football up in a hotel for 1 or 2 games this season? We're talking about Division I athletics. "Zero revenue" high school teams stay in hotels when they play games that are 3-4 hour bus rides away from home. In an ideal world, we're playing six football games this spring as opposed to eleven so expenses should also be down, correct? And it's not like the college didn't cash the tuition checks in full for the fall semester. That took place. Not to mention, the expenses that didn't happen when dozen of athletic contests in various non-revenue sports were CANCELLED this fall and winter. Guess you never had a financial discussion with former AD DR.... Just ask HCFC45. 🤣 Hopefully AD MB is far more open and creative in funding travel for teams and support staff, including cheerleaders and band. In a year when programs are being cut at schools with endowments in the billions....Dartmouth, Stanford, for example, and key members of the athletic staff at some Patriot League schools have been furloughed, spending for hotels, meals, and overnight transportation for the team and support staff is an expense that can be avoided for the games during the first and second quarter of 2021. You may not be aware, that several staff members were furloughed several months ago. Kind of a slap in the face to dedicated employees if we spend on expenses that can be avoided during a critical time. Money spent on hotels for the sports ( football, basketball, hockey, lacrosse, baseball, in 1st quarter 2021) could be directed to keeping an FTE on payroll. Significant revenue was loss, when on campus housing was not permitted for the first semester. PP would have detailed data regarding how much was not received from the fall semester, 2020. Hotel rooms for high school teams, that are allowed to travel by their state governing boards, from my experience as a parent, are paid by parent and alumni boosters clubs, through fun raising with car washes, bake sales, restaurant gift cards, candy sales, and outright parent contributions to the team. Guess you have not encountered school systems that do not fully fund athletics in their annual budget. In those situation, each athlete must pay to participate in a sport based on equipment need. Discounts are often given if multiple members of the same family are participating on a team.
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Post by hcpride on Nov 24, 2020 3:11:34 GMT -5
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Post by hc6774 on Nov 24, 2020 7:53:59 GMT -5
Here are branding ideas to rename the Ram-Crusader Cup and the annual game.... The Magis Cup, The Ignatian Challenge, The Black Robe Confrontation, The Ad Maiorem Bowl, The annual event could be marketed as “The Jesuits Brawl” since “the Holy War” is already being used by two other institutions that should not be named. Since the HC/FU game is scheduled around Vets Day; how about the O'Callahan/Capodanno Cup; both, Navy chaplains awarded the Medal of Honor; each associated respectively with the schools;
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Post by hc6774 on Nov 24, 2020 8:09:45 GMT -5
How about a Jesuit Cup HC FU & GU; like Commanders Cup Navy, Army & Air Force
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Post by timholycross on Nov 24, 2020 8:41:07 GMT -5
Like the 3 way idea. The Patriot League could continue to share the "bye misery" and accommodate the 3 schools- each year, one of those matchups (HC/F; HC/G; G/F) could be on the season ending week.
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Post by CHC8485 on Nov 24, 2020 9:20:01 GMT -5
It's been batted around here before about a Jesuit Cup. With Holy Cross, Fordham, & Georgetown now in the same Jesuit Province (Jesuits USA East Province) the Provincial's Cup could be contested - though that name may not evoke to others what we want it to evoke! As to the Ram Crusader Cup ... also batted around here before ... a rename to the Iron Major Cup in honor of Major Frank Cavanaugh who coached at both Holy Cross and Fordham (among other places) in the early third of the last century. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Cavanaugh_(American_football)
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Post by rgs318 on Nov 24, 2020 9:47:02 GMT -5
I remember that name (Iron Major Cup) had strong support back when the cup started to be awarded (at least in the time of Fr. Brooks). I do not remember why it was not chosen.
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Post by hc87 on Nov 24, 2020 14:36:09 GMT -5
A little off topic but the HC football team used to stay at a hotel on Friday nights for home games.
I agree on the Jesuit cup idea along the lines of AF/USNA/USMA Commander's Cup...
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Post by rgs318 on Nov 24, 2020 14:43:34 GMT -5
I like the "Jesuit Cup" for best team among the the 3 Jesuit schools. Let's get this done while HC still has some Jesuits on Mt St James.
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Post by purplehaze on Nov 24, 2020 15:47:51 GMT -5
If we play in the spring I favor 4-5 games (I don't think GU has any interest) in warmer temps end March through end April and forget playoffs Concern about recovering from injuries in time for an early Sep start to the fall season has me concerned.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Nov 24, 2020 18:54:03 GMT -5
A little off topic but the HC football team used to stay at a hotel on Friday nights for home games. I agree on the Jesuit cup idea along the lines of AF/USNA/USMA Commander's Cup... Back when we were BIG TIME. Pretty common practice at P5 schools for team to stay in local hotel before home games.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Nov 24, 2020 18:56:56 GMT -5
Having a hotel a sand wedge from campus made it easy for HC to do.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Nov 24, 2020 19:08:17 GMT -5
If we play in the spring I favor 4-5 games (I don't think GU has any interest) in warmer temps end March through end April and forget playoffs Concern about recovering from injuries in time for an early Sep start to the fall season has me concerned. I believe FCS playoffs are supposed to take place this spring per discussion on AGS -- not as many teams, perhaps just AQ and a handful of at-large making up a 16 team bracket. Might end up being less, let's see how many schools actually play.
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