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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jul 25, 2016 10:00:59 GMT -5
I'd like to hear the Plan B....really can't see HC getting a CO certificate unless the entire building is completed and operational. If that's the pre-condition, no home games in 2016-17. For example, I can tell from the webcam they haven't yet touched the existing addition (to the east of the pool) where locker rooms currently are, and sports medicine will go. Can't touch the locker rooms, until the new ones at the lower level of the north end of the NFH are up and running. Today, they are pouring the cement floor for strength and conditioning, which is a floor above the new locker rooms mentioned supra. But strength and conditioning is an easy space to complete; no plumbing, no fixtures to speak of, basically, an open bay.
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Post by rickii on Jul 25, 2016 13:19:47 GMT -5
I'd like to hear the Plan B....really can't see HC getting a CO certificate unless the entire building is completed and operational. If that's the pre-condition, no home games in 2016-17 Will it really take well into 2017 to get Hart proper completed ? Is the DCU standing by as a partial Plan B ?
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Post by rgs318 on Jul 25, 2016 14:34:52 GMT -5
I believe a CO can be issued conditionally for specified use of certain parts of a complex. However, if it is "all or nothing" (100% done) then HC may be up the creek without a paddle.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jul 25, 2016 15:01:11 GMT -5
rickii, your suggested that a CO would not be given unless the entire building is completed and operational.
Let me illustrate why HC and the contractor will be unlikely to achieve that condition for basketball for 2016-17. (Hockey is another matter, because the emergency exits were not altered.)
Presently, the steel framing for a pair of new corridors (one atop the other) is in place along the north face of the existing Hart. The lower corridor provides interior access to the yet to be built basketball locker rooms, and the field hockey and volleyball locker rooms beyond the northeast corner and existing east exterior wall of the Hart. The upper corridor leads to the new basketball coaches suites and the AD offices. The upper corridor serves as an entrance and exit to the upper stands on the northeast corner of the Hart.
To the north of these two corridors will be the practice court for hoops. When the practice court is completed, its north wall will serve as the exterior wall to the complex, the corridor north wall will be an inner wall, and the existing Hart exterior wall will become the south wall of the corridor.
I very much doubt that the practice court will be anywhere near complete by Nov 1. If that proves to be true, perhaps they will put up fire-resistant gypsum along the corridor allowing use of the corridors, and gain a certificate of occupancy in that manner.
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Post by sader1970 on Jul 25, 2016 15:14:00 GMT -5
Thanks, PP, I suspected that's what you meant. I guess section 8 is considered the Mezzanine. Unless they plan on turning it into a luxury box.
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Post by rickii on Jul 25, 2016 18:47:39 GMT -5
rickii, your suggested that a CO would not be given unless the entire building is completed and operational. Let me illustrate why HC and the contractor will be unlikely to achieve that condition for basketball for 2016-17. (Hockey is another matter, because the emergency exits were not altered.) Presently, the steel framing for a pair of new corridors (one atop the other) is in place along the north face of the existing Hart. The lower corridor provides interior access to the yet to be built basketball locker rooms, and the field hockey and volleyball locker rooms beyond the northeast corner and existing east exterior wall of the Hart. The upper corridor leads to the new basketball coaches suites and the AD offices. The upper corridor serves as an entrance and exit to the upper stands on the northeast corner of the Hart. To the north of these two corridors will be the practice court for hoops. When the practice court is completed, its north wall will serve as the exterior wall to the complex, the corridor north wall will be an inner wall, and the existing Hart exterior wall will become the south wall of the corridor. I very much doubt that the practice court will be anywhere near complete by Nov 1. If that proves to be true, perhaps they will put up fire-resistant gypsum along the corridor allowing use of the corridors, and gain a certificate of occupancy in that manner. What I'm thinking is that the arena itself - restrooms, lights, heat/ac, water, emergency power, all new exits/entrances, locker rooms - would have to be tested/inspected at least 2 weeks in advance. If the arena is deemed not ready, the so-called Plan B would kick in. You seem to be saying that due to related construction, this quite possibly might make the Assumption game very doubtful. If so, Plan B would be 1) moving the game to Assumption, 2) moving it to the DCU or 3) cancel the game. Beyond this date, I'm obviously clueless on when Hart would be 'ready' for use for a game. Pine I'm sure has the contingency plans all covered already.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Jul 25, 2016 19:36:43 GMT -5
Despite what the resident Debbie Downer says, I noted in a different thread the other day that I was told by someone who would know on Friday that the project is on sked to be ready and open for the Assumption game. Was also told that a contingency plan is indeed in effect in the event something stalls the progress.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jul 26, 2016 6:44:43 GMT -5
rickii, what I think I have said with respect to the Assumption game is that I have little doubt that the court and the court-level seating (seats one gets to from the court) will be ready, and that the two new visiting team locker rooms will be ready. I have voiced skepticism that the upper level (mezzanine) seats would be available, -- only because I have doubts whether all the emergency exit routes for these seats would be ready.
You don't need the mezzanine seats for an exhibition game against Assumption, and if the new M/W basketball locker rooms aren't quite ready, HC can always use one of the visitor locker rooms.
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Post by rickii on Jul 26, 2016 9:33:17 GMT -5
rickii, what I think I have said with respect to the Assumption game is that I have little doubt that the court and the court-level seating (seats one gets to from the court) will be ready, and that the two new visiting team locker rooms will be ready. I have voiced skepticism that the upper level (mezzanine) seats would be available, -- only because I have doubts whether all the emergency exit routes for these seats would be ready. You don't need the mezzanine seats for an exhibition game against Assumption, and if the new M/W basketball locker rooms aren't quite ready, HC can always use one of the visitor locker rooms. Got it....so you/we expect the new main entrance to Hart will be open, the corridor out to the existing fields, the water, restrooms, electricity all on the ground level will be ready and the entire upper level will be closed off. BTW, I assume the parking lots haven't been impacted by the construction and will be available.
Totally different subject - the 1st row of the former endzone court bleachers were fairly close to the baselines. With the change to portable floor baskets/backboards from the hanging retractable types, it appears to me that we'll lose maybe 3-4 rows to fit the new floor baskets in place. Have you seen anything in the data to confirm this ? Hopefully the 4 practice hanging retractable baskets are history as well....no need for them now with the new practice gym.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jul 26, 2016 11:41:08 GMT -5
rickii, the mezzanine level could be closed off for the Assumption game. re: the parking lots, some weeks ago they were hauling what appeared to be truckloads of asphalt off site from the area of the parking lots. I speculated they may be re-configuring the lots, because construction of the PAC is supposed to begin in 2017, and the PAC will chew up parking close to Hogan. In any event, I don't think parking will be an issue come the start of hockey/basketball. ^^^ This is not the winning design, but it illustrates the future loss of parking spaces. re: the end-court bleachers. The original plan was to salvage, refurbish, and re-install. I understand that has changed, and the end-court bleachers will be new. AFAIK, the bleachers will still be 11 rows. re: the retractable baskets. In the list of gymnasium equipment there is the following: Res ipsa. At least they're new. Both the wall mounted and column mounted may be for the practice court. The wall mounted is fold-up, but extends between 4 and 10 feet from the wall, so it could not be used at the Hart court.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Jul 26, 2016 17:22:51 GMT -5
I just want to say kudos to the construction crew for what they've accomplished so far, especially in this brutally hot weather. Keep it going!
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Post by DiMarz on Jul 27, 2016 19:15:08 GMT -5
I'm sure the building time schedule was a critical component of the original planning. AD Pine has said from the get go, all home games will be played in the Hart..The heat has been a pain, but it doesn't affect the work schedule to any great degree, not the way heavy rain, snow and ice can.. The end bleachers can still have the same number of rows and not extend as much toward the court by simply changing the slope of the unit. There was quite a bit of vertical space above the top row, that might be reduced as the rise is increased and the run is decreased..Think about a ladder laying on the floor, raise the top of the ladder up the wall and the base moves closer to the wall. The Assumption scrimmage is scheduled 3 weeks before the first game in the Hart for the men. Lots of time for a cushion.. One of these days I'd like to put on my hard hat, grab a clip board and go for a walk on the job site...
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Post by matunuck on Jul 27, 2016 19:23:51 GMT -5
After all this, are we seriously putting high school bleachers back or something different?
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Post by DiMarz on Jul 27, 2016 19:43:29 GMT -5
After all this, are we seriously putting high school bleachers back or something different? chair backs on the sidelines and bleachers on the ends? I don't know.....PP what say you?
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jul 27, 2016 20:39:23 GMT -5
In looking for the info below, I did discover that the four fixed backboards are all for the practice court, two are wall mounted, two are column mounted. __________________
On the old board, I had photos of these telescoping chairbacks, but perhaps tomorrow, I'll search for photos. IIRC, the seats have cupholders.
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Post by matunuck on Jul 27, 2016 21:17:42 GMT -5
Thx PP. Much better than typical bleachers.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jul 28, 2016 7:23:09 GMT -5
I don't have (or can't find, if I do) a schedule (number of units) for the bleacher seating. Thus, I don;t know whether none / some / all of the sidecourt bleachers will have seatbacks. What I do know is that the seats will be individually contoured It also seems that the space for each seat in the row will be 24 inches. This shows that Hussey seat with seatbacks and without. The unit schedule would provide an indication of whether there are seatbacks and how many. ^^^^ This is an upholstered version with cupholders. I am ;pretty certain HC is not getting these.
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Post by matunuck on Jul 28, 2016 7:42:22 GMT -5
Thanks, PP.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Aug 1, 2016 12:09:20 GMT -5
This photo from mid-July shows three of the four (I believe there were four) retractable backboards. ^^^ open image in new tab, and magnify. However, there is a good explanation for why these remain. The new practice gym, on which construction has yet to start, will not be ready for the 2016-17 season. The Hart court will be all that is available. Once the practice court opens, I expect these backboards to be removed. ___________________ In other LAC news, the reconfigured road that runs along the south side of the complex, and connects to McCarthy Lane at the southeast end of Figge was paved today, as was the drive in front of Figge that was dug up for a new sewer line. Perhaps we should start a poll on giving this unnamed road a name, appropriate to HC athletics.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Aug 1, 2016 12:37:05 GMT -5
Palazzi Way
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Post by hchoops on Aug 1, 2016 14:40:24 GMT -5
Heinsohn drive
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Post by sarasota on Aug 1, 2016 15:13:00 GMT -5
Milan Brown Road
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Aug 2, 2016 8:57:52 GMT -5
Google has an updated satellite view; from the lack of foliage, probably taken latter part of March. The softball field looks to be in good shape, with a tarp over the infield
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Post by purplehaze on Aug 2, 2016 12:41:51 GMT -5
hard to honor just one of the many greats from the past. how about 'Legends Lane'
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Post by rgs318 on Aug 2, 2016 14:20:48 GMT -5
hard to honor just one of the many greats from the past. how about 'Legends Lane' It could be a great place for plaques to honor those legends individually...beyond the honors already available and conferred.
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