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Post by hcpride on Dec 5, 2020 6:44:00 GMT -5
Schadenfreude alert!
As a Stony Brook fan I watched the entire Stony Brook v Fairfield game yesterday. HC transfer Caleb Green played fairly well for over 40 minutes in the Fairfield OT loss ...until this one play at the end...
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Dec 5, 2020 7:27:47 GMT -5
When he initially penetrated, maybe he was thinking of driving and kicking the ball out. Of course all passing lanes appear covered. At that point with a second left, you're in the paint only option is to try the layup and hope someone fouls you.
But he initially broke down the defender on the wing with about 2.5 left so not much time. A shot out of the corner there would've been an absolute prayer.
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Post by hcpride on Dec 5, 2020 7:45:01 GMT -5
Agreed. I guess when you are driving with one or two seconds left praying somebody fouls you (and everybody on the opposing team knows NOT to foul you...and of course SBU coaches are screaming don't foul in case they forget ) you've put yourself in a bad position.
SB didn't even have their awesome shot blocker (Gueye) down low or even sagging down low ...he was wisely positioned well outside defending a possible three...here's what he did earlier in the OT to Caleb's teammate:
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Post by possum on Dec 5, 2020 7:53:43 GMT -5
The only shot he had, albeit very low percentage was to chuck up a three as soon as he came off the pick. In any event you've got to know the situation and have to throw up a 3 pointer once you cross the 3 point line the games over. Couldn't believe the SB defender followed him all the way to the hoop and foolishly made a half hearted attempt to block the shot. In the end the layup didn't even count as time had expired.
Fairfield now 0-3 maybe Caleb will get to enjoy all the fun this year that he missed out on last year.
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 5, 2020 8:38:04 GMT -5
Sad to see such a misplay by CG. I hope HC's guards know better than to do something of that nature. A 3 point "heave" is not good shot but there is a chance to get a tie and it is still a better shot than an uncontested (and meaningless) layup.  |
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Dec 5, 2020 8:53:40 GMT -5
Poor play by CG. Fairfield gets the rebound with a bit under 10 seconds left. CG dribbles the ball to just beyond the arc with 3.2 seconds, defender is playing off him. Should have taken the shot then, instead he dribbles into the corner.
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Post by hchoops on Dec 5, 2020 9:03:19 GMT -5
Wonder what, if any, play was called by the coach.
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Post by trimster on Dec 5, 2020 9:26:46 GMT -5
The kid made a mistake. Team learns from it and moves on. Didn't a future HOF QB playing down in Tampa Bay make a similar mental mistake early in the season when he thought he had a timeout left but didn't. It happens. I would take CG on my team 7 days a week and twice on Sunday or however that saying goes.
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Post by hchoops on Dec 5, 2020 9:43:18 GMT -5
He did not want to play on your team
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Dec 5, 2020 9:59:49 GMT -5
The kid made a mistake. Team learns from it and moves on. Didn't a future HOF QB playing down in Tampa Bay make a similar mental mistake early in the season when he thought he had a timeout left but didn't. It happens. I would take CG on my team 7 days a week and twice on Sunday or however that saying goes. The ex-coach of the GOAT always preached situational football. In this particular situation, CG simply made a mistake. He's not to be crucified for it. Whether the coach had the team practice end-of-game plays, I know not. But if the team is down by three, and a three point opportunity presents itself, you need to take the shot. I thought Fairfield took its sweet time getting the ball up the court, showed little urgency, and no sense that they tried running a set play. |
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Post by possum on Dec 5, 2020 10:25:54 GMT -5
Stony Brook should also be credited with playing excellent defense, Green had only a split second when he could have gotten off a low percentage 3 point shot, when he didn't he was immediately swallowed up by a bigger player and all that was left would have been a desperation heave which would have been better than what he did. The original defender on Green seemlessly switched when the pick was set leaving Green no outlet to pass the ball and the next defender almost simultaneously switched to Green.
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Post by Tom on Dec 5, 2020 10:25:56 GMT -5
In reference to the new vocabulary word MM67 taught me . . .
I met Caleb briefly early in his freshman year. Any time he saw me on campus after that, he made it a point to come up and say "hello" and I got to know him a little bit. Very nice kid. On a related note, if you travel to road games and are kind of vocal, some players' parents will come up and introduce themselves. Mr and Mrs Green are like that and are also very nice people.
I wish he hadn't left, but can't bring myself to schadenfreude the kid
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Post by hchoops on Dec 5, 2020 10:32:20 GMT -5
Tom,
For further reference, “Schadenfreude “ is a noun, not a verb.
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 5, 2020 10:45:36 GMT -5
Ditto
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 5, 2020 10:53:40 GMT -5
I would echo the points made by both of you (Tom and sader1970). When Caleb bailed out on HC we lost a good person and a fine family from the HC community.
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Post by hcpride on Dec 5, 2020 11:04:18 GMT -5
Caleb's departure was instructive in that he didn't leave to try a substantially bigger (or smaller) program or a different geography or to get more playing time or even to attend a very different school. All reports on him (including off the court) were quite positive. On top of that he had to sit a year.
(It is true he was originally offered by Fairfield, among others, so he may have had relationships there. Funny enough, Stony Brook was hot on his trail back then also.)
Watching him yesterday he played identically to the way he played at HC (forget that last play) and Fairfield does have two Frosh (Cook and Leach) who seemed pretty good. Fairfield was picked to come in 8th of 11 teams in the MAAC and that seems about right.
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Post by purplehaze on Dec 5, 2020 11:17:34 GMT -5
Caleb is off to a slow start shooting - only 13 of 35 from the field and 3 of 7 from the line through 3 games and averaging 38 minutes on the floor - he has to improve big they hope to win consistently
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Post by HC92 on Dec 5, 2020 11:21:17 GMT -5
Hope Caleb has a good rest of his career as he’s a good human. No sense in piling on when he makes a bad play. I’m sure Fairfield fans are doing plenty of that.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Dec 5, 2020 11:56:51 GMT -5
You guys who know his dad- do you think he spends these games nervously pacing outside around the perimeter of the building (if he's not allowed inside)?  He rarely stood still while watching Caleb at HC! |
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Post by possum on Dec 5, 2020 12:12:38 GMT -5
Wow we've come a long way, wishing people who leave the program well particularly when their departure was the single biggest factor in the worst record in school history. Wonder how many of those around at the time wished Stacom well when he left for Providence.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Dec 5, 2020 12:24:41 GMT -5
The interest by many here in those who abandoned HC, and in some cases were never even enrolled, is odd and more than you'll see from any other schools fans about players leaving their programs.
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Post by Tom on Dec 5, 2020 12:31:48 GMT -5
Tom, For further reference, “Schadenfreude “ is a noun, not a verb. The only German I speak I learned from Hogan's Heroes so I blame Sgt Schultz for my poor grammar. Given the time of year, I should musically add that I also know the German word "tannenbaum" translates to "Holy Cross" |
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Post by HC92 on Dec 5, 2020 12:36:53 GMT -5
Wow we've come a long way, wishing people who leave the program well particularly when their departure was the single biggest factor in the worst record in school history. Wonder how many of those around at the time wished Stacom well when he left for Providence. My views on this one and many other situations have definitely evolved with age and parenthood. My oldest is a pretty good athlete and may have the opportunity to play in college (likely D3 with an outside chance at a high academic D1). If he came to me at the end of his freshman or sophomore year and said, “Dad, I’m really not happy at my chosen school because of X” which may or may not have anything to do with the sports, I’d certainly talk to him about the impact on his team as well as on him of transferring vs staying. Honestly, I’d probably be more in favor of sticking it out depending on the stated reasons for considering leaving. But, if he decided moving on would be the right thing to do, I’d sure as hell support him and wouldn’t think it makes him a bad person. When I apply that to a kid like Caleb who always seemed like a really good kid and his parents who also seemed like good people, I don’t see any point in celebrating his failings. Being an 18-22 year old is really tough in a lot of ways and they have to make important, life-altering decisions for the first time. They may not always make the right ones but I’m less likely to judge knowing very little about their thought process than I might have been years ago. |
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 5, 2020 12:56:22 GMT -5
Not much time to post a lengthy response but like a number of the "regulars" at the Hart, we all knew Caleb's Dad, Tom, some of us knew him better than others. I would guess I met him first (unless someone met him when he was a recruit) as I met him and his mother on Move-In day when he was registering. Tom (the father, not the poster) and I met every home game, some away games and emailed in-between. My take from Tom's silence about Caleb's transfer falls along the category of 92's hypothetical. Tom made friends among the HC fans and likely wasn't sure how Caleb's transfer would be taken by Crusader fans.
They are not bad people and I personally wish Caleb the best except when they play Holy Cross. And, being that my son is a Fairfield alum, can't quibble about his choice of schools. It has also been previously posted that Caleb had friends on the Stag team. If there were issues with Nelson, I think the Green family would be too classy to tell us.
As for his presumed mental mistake, I had one major faux pas many, many years ago that I would only share with a choice few.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Dec 5, 2020 21:50:49 GMT -5
Hope Caleb has a good rest of his career as he’s a good human. No sense in piling on when he makes a bad play. I’m sure Fairfield fans are doing plenty of that. Actually, somebody on their board, cited this thread to "remind us what a high quality individual" CG is.
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He rarely stood still while watching Caleb at HC!