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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Dec 26, 2020 17:15:10 GMT -5
Active COVID Clusters by Exposure Setting Type New Clusters (Identified 11/22 – 12/19 Colleges & Universities 8 clusters 57 cases Household 18,163 clusters 46,534 cases
Next highest is long-term care facilities with 131 clusters, and 1,172 cases.
This is why I guessed the issue is not spread, but testing capacity in the state in the first two weeks of January.
Worcester had 2562 positive tests in the two weeks ending Dec 24. Auburn had 229, and a positive test rate of 9.44%. Cambridge, since the beginning of the pandemic, has had 2,645 cases. Worcester is currently doing that in two weeks. Worcester will have over 15,000 cases by Dec 31, about eight percent of the population.
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Post by joshua1 on Dec 26, 2020 18:53:31 GMT -5
What do we think is going to happen for spring do we think we will have football or not
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Post by hc2020 on Dec 28, 2020 19:07:08 GMT -5
The latest info. from HC about the return to campus:
Dec. 28, 2020 WHAT YOU NEED TO KNOW • Massachusetts has instructed all colleges to avoid having students move-in before Jan. 18. • January term will continue as planned. Students who plan to be on campus for the January term will be allowed to move in Jan. 2. • Other students who planned to arrive before Jan. 18 will now move in Jan. 18 or later. More details to follow. • Move in for most students has not changed: Jan. 23-24 for first-year students. Jan. 29-30 for sophomores, juniors and seniors.
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Post by hchoops on Dec 28, 2020 20:25:05 GMT -5
The latest info. from HC about the return to campus: Dec. 28, 2020 WHAT YOU NEED TO KNOW • Massachusetts has instructed all colleges to avoid having students move-in before Jan. 18. • January term will continue as planned. Students who plan to be on campus for the January term will be allowed to move in Jan. 2. Wonder if this means that Louth will be moving in on Jan 2 ?
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 28, 2020 20:30:00 GMT -5
I certainly hope so!
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Post by joshua1 on Dec 28, 2020 20:41:57 GMT -5
Do we think fans will be allowed to attend games if there is spring football
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 28, 2020 21:16:43 GMT -5
Do we think fans will be allowed to attend games if there is spring football The chances will increase if the vaccine rollout is successful and expeditious.
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Post by hc2020 on Dec 28, 2020 21:17:32 GMT -5
Do we think fans will be allowed to attend games if there is spring football Not a chance in hell. If you live in Mass., you know our Governor won’t allow fans under any circumstances. If you want to attend a football game any time before next September, I suggest you move to the deep South where they have been attending games for awhile.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Dec 29, 2020 9:24:24 GMT -5
Everyone knows that sitting in an open air stadium is a preposterous idea, while walking around a busy Target is totally fine.
All logic and rational thinking have been tossed out the window months ago.
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Post by alum on Dec 29, 2020 9:47:54 GMT -5
Everyone knows that sitting in an open air stadium is a preposterous idea, while walking around a busy Target is totally fine. All logic and rational thinking has been tossed out the window months ago. If I recall correctly, you have posted that you would not take the vaccine. I heard some discussions on the radio today about some suggesting that proof of vaccine will be required to attend various events. Maybe the rest of us will get to go to a game and you will have to stay home.
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Post by timholycross on Dec 29, 2020 10:24:21 GMT -5
Everyone knows that sitting in an open air stadium is a preposterous idea, while walking around a busy Target is totally fine. All logic and rational thinking has been tossed out the window months ago. I heard some discussions on the radio today about some suggesting that proof of vaccine will be required to attend various events. Assume that means an event before anyone and everyone should have been vaccinated, which is supposed (note I said supposed) to be some time in Q3. At that point, the shoe is on the other foot. One who doesn't get vaccinated is only endangering themselves.
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 29, 2020 10:32:21 GMT -5
Well, not totally. Both Pfizer and Moderna vaccines are about 95% effective. Presumably, 5% +/- of those vaccinated might still catch it from the unmasked, unvaccinated spreaders.
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Post by hcpride on Dec 29, 2020 11:38:35 GMT -5
Well, not totally. Both Pfizer and Moderna vaccines are about 95% effective. Presumably, 5% +/- of those vaccinated might still catch it from the unmasked, unvaccinated spreaders. Interestingly, you could get vaccinated and be in the 95%...but could then infect an elderly vaccinated person who is (unknowingly) in the 5%... "That’s because the Pfizer and Moderna trials tracked only how many vaccinated people became sick with Covid-19. That leaves open the possibility that some vaccinated people get infected without developing symptoms, and could then silently transmit the virus — especially if they come in close contact with others or stop wearing masks." www.nytimes.com/2020/12/08/health/covid-vaccine-mask.html(Obviously, even the -err-on-the-safe-siders accept some sort of Covid risk in returning to normal fandom and one imagines they would not demand fan banning forever.)
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Post by HC92 on Dec 29, 2020 13:19:45 GMT -5
We can’t go on worrying about what ifs forever or wait until the mortality rate from Covid is 0.0000%. When the vaccine is available to all, we have to allow people to do normal things like watch a basketball game or eat out or live in a college dorm or go to a movie if they so choose.
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 29, 2020 13:30:59 GMT -5
I see not allowing fans in the Hart Center for basketball as that makes good sense to me. Enclosed, seating closer (think the former "F-Troopers").
Not allowing fans to see football in the 23,000+ Fitton Field when on a good day we get 5,000 - outside - doesn't seem to make the same sense. But, fine, limit capacity to 3,000 if there are still concerns. My guess is that with generally smaller stadiums among our PL brethren the league wants to have a one-size fits all approach and where we have plenty of elbow room at Fitton, others don't have the same luxury.
What the heck, I'm going to spring for ESPN+ subscription anyway.
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Post by HC92 on Dec 29, 2020 14:04:37 GMT -5
No fans at all at Spring football makes no sense. However, as I have posted previously, there is no way there will be any material number of fans at Fitton this Spring if the season happens. 1% chance each home player gets two tickets or something like that. If they don’t allow fans in the Fall, that’s when we’d have to seriously evaluate what the hell is going on.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Dec 29, 2020 15:50:23 GMT -5
I'll be the curmudgeon.
1.) IMO, there is no assurance that HC's home games in the early part of an abbreviated season, mud season as they say in Maine, will be played at Fitton. If the field is at risk of being damaged, I expect they'd move the game to an artificial turf field. ADNP spent serious money on creating a great natural grass surface.
2.) Having fans at a game means you have to spend more serious money, blocking off the lower rows of seats, a la NFL stadiums. And no stadium has seats closer to the sidelines than Fitton. Having fans art a game means the school has to bring in ticket-takers and other staff; probably open the concession stands; disinfect the bathrooms, etc.
3.) And HC is doing this ^^^ for how many fans?? Dozens?, hundreds?? for how much revenue?
4.) Will the Red Sox have fans in the stands on opening day? We already know the Marathon is postponed.
5.) The PL may agree that there are to be no outside fans during competitive sports events this spring. End of discussion. ____________________________________ As a side note, HC has leased a hotel in Worcester (Holiday Inn Express) to serve as the isolation and quarantine quarters. Competitive athletes will be tested more frequently than twice a week; all students will be tested twice a week. Faculty and staff that need not be on campus are being told to work from home, and not to come on campus without approval. The number of cases among HC staff is now nearly as many as the number of cases among students; that is community spread, and these staff know they will be tested regularly.
Now I suppose its possible that if the rate of community spread is much lower in the latter half of April than it is presently, that fans may be allowed for games then, and/or for any FCS playoff game. Even then, fans may need to show a vaccination card and/or proof on a negative test in the previous 48 hours.
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 29, 2020 15:52:53 GMT -5
Let me be the first to agree.
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Post by mm67 on Dec 29, 2020 16:04:11 GMT -5
Hopefully more effective treatments will soon be available to lower the risk even further for those relatively few who get infected. I expect to watch next season on my new ESPN+ subscription.
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Post by timholycross on Dec 29, 2020 16:57:26 GMT -5
Well, not totally. Both Pfizer and Moderna vaccines are about 95% effective. Presumably, 5% +/- of those vaccinated might still catch it from the unmasked, unvaccinated spreaders. Then at that point, simply do not go or, which is not that hard in Fitton, isolate yourself. Do not prevent others from going. Again, I am talking about the fall.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2020 17:38:55 GMT -5
Everyone knows that sitting in an open air stadium is a preposterous idea, while walking around a busy Target is totally fine. All logic and rational thinking have been tossed out the window months ago. Well said.
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Post by HCFC45 on Dec 29, 2020 23:53:04 GMT -5
If there are spring football games at Fitton AND if a limited amount of fans are allowed to be present, it would not surprise me in the least that HC would charge for a ticket!!! To allow fans in and not charge would go a long way to begin to reestablish the "subway alumni" in the Worcester County area!!! Don't hold your breath or bet the farm on it happening though....
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Post by Crucis#1 on Dec 30, 2020 0:21:15 GMT -5
Luke Letlow was 41.......about to be sworn in next week as a member of Congress. Would have been ok for him to go to a Louisiana Tech game, and wave to Terry B........ Someone so young had little to worry about if he was exposed......... Many, possibly his now widow, had an opinion that he was of a demographic that he was relatively safe.... All logic and rational thinking was tossed out the window months ago....... My condolences to his family. See you at Fitton, probably not until 2022..... Until then, for me, ESPN+ will be the venue....... en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luke_Letlow
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 30, 2020 0:37:27 GMT -5
My jaw dropped when I read about the Rep.-elect. I'm all signed up and will be watching on ESPN+.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Dec 30, 2020 7:17:13 GMT -5
The curmudgeon squared now speaks:
"Come first week of February, HC will be spending about $300,000 a week on COVID testing. $300,000 a week over a semester = a grand, new videoboard for Fitton, and the Hart as well.
"Given the protocols that HC has established requiring staff and faculty who come onto campus to be tested regularly, I expect that officials and others who are involved in some capacity with the game-day experience (e.g., announcers, camera crew) will be tested prior to their entry onto campus. So should people expect HC to allow casual fans, all wearing masks, to wander in from McKeon Rd to watch a game?
"This is a campus where all students, staff, and faculty must wear their college ID on a lanyard so it is visible. This indicates that to everyone you meet and see that you were recently tested for the virus and found to be negative. Students from other schools who are taking classes at HC have to be regularly tested at their home institution before their key cards are activated allowing them entry into a HC campus building.
"And does anyone think the casual fan will be sitting in the Fitton stands before HC students are allowed to sit there?"
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