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Post by bigfan on Oct 16, 2017 9:47:28 GMT -5
You can always find a coach, if you want a top coach they will not come to the Patriot League. Time to get out and check out the CAA. Also the PL is holding the basketball program back in regards to recruiting, we should be getting better athletes, why can't people see this. Time to stop drinking the purple cool-aid.
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Post by spenser on Oct 16, 2017 10:03:52 GMT -5
The CAA is the way to go. Anyone talking D1 is od’ing on purple koolaid. And before we get all misty eyed about Duffner’s record, remember he was running it up aginst a lot of non scholarship schools.
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Post by beerseach on Oct 16, 2017 10:21:56 GMT -5
I'm hearing there will be no shortage of coaches interested in this job from college through the pro ranks. The indoor facility is that much of a game changer....
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Post by matunuck on Oct 16, 2017 10:36:14 GMT -5
I could at least tolerate the PL if it bolstered our admissions profile or reputation. I don't believe it has.
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Post by hcpride on Oct 16, 2017 10:40:23 GMT -5
I could at least tolerate the PL if it bolstered our admissions profile or reputation. I don't believe it has. There may be a fear it would fall even more without PL affiliation.
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Post by cfrivals on Oct 16, 2017 10:45:56 GMT -5
Indoor football facility for the PL? Make absolutely no sense!
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Post by hcgrad94 on Oct 16, 2017 10:52:19 GMT -5
I'm hearing there will be no shortage of coaches interested in this job from college through the pro ranks. The indoor facility is that much of a game changer.... And the weight room. Anyone who doesn't think that the facility upgrades will help attract a better Coach are out to lunch.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Oct 16, 2017 11:19:43 GMT -5
I could at least tolerate the PL if it bolstered our admissions profile or reputation. I don't believe it has. There may be a fear it would fall even more without PL affiliation. Looking at the USN&WR groupings, HC is a fish out of water in any other conference. The closest would be W&M and University of Richmond, and neither of those is undergraduate only. There are but a handful of schools, strictly undergraduate and liberal arts, who play in Division I. And even Bucknell and Lafayette have engineering programs. Which leaves HC and Colgate.
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Post by realism on Oct 16, 2017 11:24:08 GMT -5
I could at least tolerate the PL if it bolstered our admissions profile or reputation. I don't believe it has. The PL can tolerate H.C. because HC's decline in stature, while the other PL schools rise, creates its willingness to be the league punching bag. It has been "grandfathered." Be thankful. Sadly HC has no choice because it has this double whammy curse: declining academic and athletic reputation. I just can't see H.C.'s selling points to another conference other than as a punching bag.
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Post by hcpride on Oct 16, 2017 11:50:02 GMT -5
There may be a fear it would fall even more without PL affiliation. Looking at the USN&WR groupings, HC is a fish out of water in any other conference. The closest would be W&M and University of Richmond, and neither of those is undergraduate only. There are but a handful of schools, strictly undergraduate and liberal arts, who play in Division I. And even Bucknell and Lafayette have engineering programs. Which leaves HC and Colgate. Yes I meant the benefit of affiliation with schools with solid academic credentials. Not suggesting they are identical in curricula, etc.
It is certainly true that many other similarly-sized schools with undergraduate/liberal arts don't play Division 1 football.
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Post by hcgrad94 on Oct 16, 2017 11:55:14 GMT -5
And by the way I would be absolutely shocked if Lee Hull isn't the next head coach or certainly one of the two or three finalists. Not sure if people realize that he and Nate crossed over both at Oregon State and Maryland.
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Post by Ray on Oct 16, 2017 12:03:01 GMT -5
I agree, Hull has to be the overwhelming favorite right now.
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Post by 6sader7 on Oct 16, 2017 12:15:18 GMT -5
I agree that Hull would be a great option as well.
Question: Why did he leave Indianapolis after 1 season? Was this his decision or was he asked to step down?
What position does he currently hold?
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Oct 16, 2017 12:21:54 GMT -5
What makes Lee Hull such a great option? He is 12-12 as an FCS head coach, and was fired as WR coach with the Colts. I think there are better options.
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Post by worcester on Oct 16, 2017 12:22:19 GMT -5
why would HC take a head coach whose career record is sub .500? Just because he's
HC grad?
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Post by 6sader7 on Oct 16, 2017 12:23:51 GMT -5
What makes Lee Hull such a great option? He is 12-12 as an FCS head coach, and was fired as WR coach with the Colts. I think there are better options. "Option" was intended to be the key word...hopefully the subsequent questions I posed clarify that...
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Post by Ray on Oct 16, 2017 12:36:40 GMT -5
What makes Lee Hull such a great option? He is 12-12 as an FCS head coach, and was fired as WR coach with the Colts. I think there are better options. 12-12 in a really tough job, nobody wins at Morgan. (I hear the Carmody/Northwestern echoes here...) In Hull's favor: - not only is he an alum, but he played/saw HC football at its best. Knows what HC football can be/how to sell it. - tremendous career trajectory from HC.... CFL player, NFL cup of coffee, long and varied coaching history at multiple levels. - NFL coaching experience is a plus... getting fired from an NFL job not at all disqualifying. Big recruiting feather. - Pine's very familiar with him. - has Worcester/MA ties beyond his HC days. Hull's bio is still posted at the Colts web page, worth a read: www.colts.com/team/coaches/Lee-Hull/6a95d0d1-876b-4335-9267-490860835c24I'm having a hard time imagining a better candidate, one who can marry an experience of what HC football can be, with significant experience around the football landscape.
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Post by joe on Oct 16, 2017 12:39:15 GMT -5
Peter Vaas played at HC and Dan Allen was there during the heyday of the 80s. Big deal. We need someone whose coached and won at this level or the next, just like we found with Carmody. It’s that simple. HC ties are nice but there are more important things. What about Duffner?
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Post by Ray on Oct 16, 2017 12:46:20 GMT -5
Peter Vaas played at HC and Dan Allen was there during the heyday of the 80s. And if you can't acknowledge how dramatically the field was tilted against those guys in that era, I can't help you. It's apples/oranges to today. That said, if there are even better candidates than Lee Hull who are applying for this job, that's great news.
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Post by joe on Oct 16, 2017 12:54:36 GMT -5
The field goes uphill now, just as it did in the 90s. It all relative.
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Post by Tom on Oct 16, 2017 13:00:29 GMT -5
Peter Vaas played at HC and Dan Allen was there during the heyday of the 80s. Big deal. We need someone whose coached and won at this level or the next, just like we found with Carmody. It’s that simple. HC ties are nice but there are more important things. What about Duffner? Rick Carter never coached D-I before coming to HC
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Oct 16, 2017 13:03:53 GMT -5
We need someone whose coached and won at this level or the next We are doing ourselves a disservice by limiting the pool of qualified candidates then.
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Post by deep Purple on Oct 16, 2017 13:05:49 GMT -5
I would think McGovern would have to be at the top of the list.
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Post by joe on Oct 16, 2017 13:07:20 GMT -5
We can agree to disagree. We need to pony up and pay someone whose done it before and who we know can get the job done. 97 million in an athletic center? We can certainly afford a few more right now for the right coach. It’s the only way to steal someone away from the FBS or NFL. No money? OK get an up and comer.
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Post by hc87 on Oct 16, 2017 13:10:35 GMT -5
Peter Vaas played at HC and Dan Allen was there during the heyday of the 80s. Big deal. We need someone whose coached and won at this level or the next, just like we found with Carmody. It’s that simple. HC ties are nice but there are more important things. What about Duffner? Rick Carter never coached D-I before coming to HC Technically no...but Dayton was playing and beating D1 schools while Carter was a coach there.
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