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Post by Sons of Vaval on Oct 16, 2017 13:12:59 GMT -5
Duffner was 33 years old and never had a head coaching gig before being promoted at HC.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Oct 16, 2017 13:54:39 GMT -5
What makes Lee Hull such a great option? He is 12-12 as an FCS head coach, and was fired as WR coach with the Colts. I think there are better options. 12-12 in a really tough job, nobody wins at Morgan. (I hear the Carmody/Northwestern echoes here...) In Hull's favor: - not only is he an alum, but he played/saw HC football at its best. Knows what HC football can be/how to sell it. - tremendous career trajectory from HC.... CFL player, NFL cup of coffee, long and varied coaching history at multiple levels. - NFL coaching experience is a plus... getting fired from an NFL job not at all disqualifying. Big recruiting feather. - Pine's very familiar with him. - has Worcester/MA ties beyond his HC days. Hull's bio is still posted at the Colts web page, worth a read: www.colts.com/team/coaches/Lee-Hull/6a95d0d1-876b-4335-9267-490860835c24I'm having a hard time imagining a better candidate, one who can marry an experience of what HC football can be, with significant experience around the football landscape. I took a look at Sagarin's data for Morgan State in the years before Lee Hull became coach and for his tenure and the years after he left. Morgan State has been pretty consistent in its rankings (if you buy Sagarin's methodology) YEAR= W-L (strength of schedule rank)----- Sagarin Rank among D-1 teams 2007= 5-6 (224)----- #205 ranked team 2008= 6-6 (210)-----#207 2009= 6-5 (214)-----#205 2010= 4-7 (233)-----#235 2011= 5-6 (216)-----#212 2012= 3-8 (213)-----#228 2013= 5-7 (215)-----#220 2014= 7-6 (218)-----#202 2015= 5-6 (229)-----#225 2016= 3-8 (238)-----#248 2017= 1-5 (200)-----#244 partial season--have not yet played all conference teams; SOS skewed by OOC Those with a pre-formed opinion about Lee Hull (I don't know him and have no opinion of him) will interpret the numbers to prove their case for/against him: "He's the only coach to win 7 games at Morgan State" vs. "he had his best year using the prior coach's players" "He had a much better record than his predecessor and successor" vs "He left the cupboard bare--not a good recruiter" While I believe the Carmody/Northwestern analysis (I did a lot of it) makes an extremely strong case for that coach, I don't think we can draw the same hard and fast conclusions for Lee Hull with the two years he led Morgan State
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Post by unhfan on Oct 16, 2017 14:24:57 GMT -5
How important is it to you folks that an alumni gets the job?
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Post by rickii on Oct 16, 2017 14:39:58 GMT -5
Bump....
IMHO the two best football coaches in the last years were Rick Carter and Mark Duffner.
Oh, the enthusiasm we had then when these two were coaching!!!
Again, if IMHO both came in and turned around failing programs. So, we know it can be done!
We need a house cleaning and bring in a Carter or Duffner type who can walk the walk and talk the talk to make things happen!
We deserve better than we are getting now!
And, for those who bash ADNP for extending CTG, hopefully he was smart enough to have a low buyout for the final year of the contract. If not, shame on him! HUH ?
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Post by rickii on Oct 16, 2017 14:41:29 GMT -5
How important is it to you folks that an alumni gets the job? Not at all a priority !
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Post by rickii on Oct 16, 2017 14:52:26 GMT -5
On Rock.... I don't know him, have no expertise to evaluate him, don't know if kids like him, don't know if he can recruit....but you'd be challenged to find a candidate with a better resume'. Seems like he was a no-brainer choice by Pine to be 'interim' coach. We'll see if he can rally this team particularly over the next 2 games.
I presume he's in the mix right now.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Oct 16, 2017 15:32:18 GMT -5
I believe it was EBW who brought Carter in.
And stop dreaming about Diuff, he has been coaching in the pro's for 20 years and is presently employed. Which means he hasn't recruited in 20 years. _____________________
With respect to the interim head coach, a big factor in whether he is considered for the position will be how the players respond.
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Post by hchoops on Oct 16, 2017 15:36:00 GMT -5
Peter Vaas played at HC and Dan Allen was there during the heyday of the 80s. Big deal. We need someone whose coached and won at this level or the next, just like we found with Carmody. It’s that simple. HC ties are nice but there are more important things. What about Duffner? Rick Carter never coached D-I before coming to HC
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Post by rickii on Oct 16, 2017 15:43:25 GMT -5
I believe it was EBW who brought Carter in. And stop dreaming about Diuff, he has been coaching in the pro's for 20 years and is presently employed. Which means he hasn't recruited in 20 years. _____________________ With respect to the interim head coach, a big factor in whether he is considered for the position will be how the players respond. Ed Williams contacted Carter after getting a glowing recommendation from then Cleveland Browns Head Coach Sam Rutigliano.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Oct 16, 2017 15:44:04 GMT -5
I don't know him, have no expertise to evaluate him, don't know if kids like him, don't know if he can recruit....but you'd be challenged to find a candidate with a better resume'. Seems like he was a no-brainer choice by Pine to be 'interim' coach. We'll see if he can rally this team particularly over the next 2 games.
He's been a career-long assistant in the MAC with a stop at Big Ten bottom feeder Purdue. Don't think his resume is out of this world.
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Post by 6sader7 on Oct 16, 2017 15:54:03 GMT -5
Would be incredible to get Richard Rogers -- He's not only experienced, but he's a players Coach and I think would bring a phenomenal positive energy along with some serious recruiting chops.
I wonder what kind of package it would take to lure him back..
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Post by hcpride on Oct 16, 2017 16:02:47 GMT -5
I believe it was EBW who brought Carter in. And stop dreaming about Diuff, he has been coaching in the pro's for 20 years and is presently employed. Which means he hasn't recruited in 20 years. _____________________ With respect to the interim head coach, a big factor in whether he is considered for the position will be how the players respond. If the players bounce back it will speak volumes as to any coach/team issues that may have been going on. (Granted, an ineffective coach on thin ice with a season like this may be heading out the door at the end of the season ...it is pretty unusual to ditch one mid-year based on W + L's only)
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Oct 16, 2017 16:05:15 GMT -5
It's not all that often a coach gets fired mid-season, and the team still has a shot to win the league.
Saturday will be very interesting. Hard for the offensive performance to be much worse than what we saw at Yale.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Oct 16, 2017 16:13:54 GMT -5
It's not all that often a coach gets fired mid-season, and the team still has a shot to win the league. Saturday will be very interesting. Hard for the offensive performance to be much worse than what we saw at Yale. Good thing we got rid of the guy running the offense!
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Post by bringbackcaro on Oct 16, 2017 16:16:06 GMT -5
Duffner was 33 years old and never had a head coaching gig before being promoted at HC. As we learned in the recent disastrous basketball search that eliminated anyone without "head coaching experience" and led us to Milan Brown, removing any candidates from the pool based on objective criteria is a mistake.
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Post by sader81 on Oct 16, 2017 16:18:39 GMT -5
Get some young hotshot and he'll be looking to move on in three years - remember Rick Carter? Malone is the guy! Great resume, HC guy through and through, and will stay as long as he's wanted.
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Post by inhocsigno on Oct 16, 2017 16:25:58 GMT -5
Get some young hotshot and he'll be looking to move on in three years - remember Rick Carter? Malone is the guy! Great resume, HC guy through and through, and will stay as long as he's wanted. I would be all for a Malone or Duffner or McGovern. However, I see nothing wrong with a young hotshot winning so much, he is getting courted by bigger programs in 5 years. We may not get Duffner, but maybe we get the next 33 year old Duffner.
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Post by nhteamer on Oct 17, 2017 9:02:46 GMT -5
Offer Duffner; let him say no
Offer McGovern; let him say no
Do you know what Vince Lombardi's dream job was when he was an assistant at Army?
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Post by hchoops on Oct 17, 2017 9:05:59 GMT -5
head coach at Fordham or maybe Notre Dame ?
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Post by nhteamer on Oct 17, 2017 9:16:55 GMT -5
psshh Notre Dame
FORDHAM
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Post by hc6774 on Oct 17, 2017 9:17:53 GMT -5
Offer Duffner; let him say no Offer McGovern; let him say no Do you know what Vince Lombardi's dream job was when he was an assistant at Army? I think he wanted to back to St Cicelia's
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Post by rgs318 on Oct 17, 2017 9:18:39 GMT -5
LOL
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Post by southernsader on Oct 17, 2017 18:40:52 GMT -5
Who is this Malone of whom you speak?
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Post by HC92 on Oct 17, 2017 18:44:36 GMT -5
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Post by 6sader7 on Oct 17, 2017 19:18:20 GMT -5
I don't have a ton of info on Malone, but my brother's roommate at San Diego transferred from Purdue where he was a Tight End playing under Malone. Going to try to get some feedback there..
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