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Post by HC13 on Dec 29, 2020 10:16:31 GMT -5
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Post by hchoops on Dec 29, 2020 10:34:20 GMT -5
Nowhere to go but up, and with the toughest schedule- 10 of the 16 games vs the top two teams. Wonder if 18 votes is the lowest ever ? Bison137 ?
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Post by bison137 on Dec 29, 2020 11:05:09 GMT -5
Nowhere to go but up, and with the toughest schedule- 10 of the 16 games vs the top two teams. Wonder if 18 votes is the lowest ever ? Bison137 ? It is the lowest since the league went to 10 teams. No one will ever get less since all 18 voters picked HC for 10th. I think it is possible that Army once got all 14 last place votes when the league only had eight teams.
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Post by Tom on Dec 29, 2020 11:05:22 GMT -5
Nowhere to go but up, and with the toughest schedule- 10 of the 16 games vs the top two teams. Wonder if 18 votes is the lowest ever ? Bison137 ? Don't know, but I'm guessing "no" In the current era it is as low as you can go, but there were some years when it was a 7 team league and the minimum number if votes would have been 12. I couldn't find any pre season polls from then, but I wouldn't be shocked if someone managed fewer than 18 votes in that time frame. There were some pretty bad teams in those days. Kind of depressing to say we're not the worst ever only because 20 years ago it was mathematically possible to get fewer votes than HC got today
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Post by hcpride on Dec 29, 2020 11:20:50 GMT -5
Can't imagine BU will sweep us 6-0 so we should be able to nab at least one win v the predicted PL champions. Ditto Colgate in terms of avoiding a 4-0 sweep. And with 2 wins we match last year's PL total wins. I'm optimistic we move up to 3 PL wins this year.
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Post by nhteamer on Dec 29, 2020 11:34:10 GMT -5
Nowhere to go but up, and with the toughest schedule- 10 of the 16 games vs the top two teams. Wonder if 18 votes is the lowest ever ? Bison137 ? It is the lowest since the league went to 10 teams. No one will ever get less since all 18 voters picked HC for 10th. I think it is possible that Army once got all 14 last place votes when the league only had eight teams. Fewer But, then again, you are a Bucknell guy.
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Post by bison137 on Dec 29, 2020 11:38:17 GMT -5
It is the lowest since the league went to 10 teams. No one will ever get less since all 18 voters picked HC for 10th. I think it is possible that Army once got all 14 last place votes when the league only had eight teams. Fewer But, then again, you are a Bucknell guy. I was merely using HChoops' wording when answering his question. An HC guy.
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Post by hc6774 on Dec 29, 2020 12:01:52 GMT -5
how do you get 20 1st place votes when you can't vote for your team?
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Post by Tom on Dec 29, 2020 12:06:34 GMT -5
On a strange note, I wonder if someone like Loyola (who everyone seems to think is a step below BU and Colgate) could slide into a top 2 spot as BU and Colgate beat each other up.
Another (and horrible) thing to think about, does BU have an advantage over Colgate playing the clear bottom team 6 times vs 4?
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On a side note, the people supposedly most knowledgeable people are not as optimistic about HC hoops this year as many posters here are
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Post by ndgradbuthcfan on Dec 29, 2020 12:09:14 GMT -5
how do you get 20 1st place votes when you can't vote for your team? No one team can get more than 18 1st place votes, but there are 20 voters; ergo 20 potential 1st place votes.
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Post by Tom on Dec 29, 2020 12:09:17 GMT -5
how do you get 20 1st place votes when you can't vote for your team? 10 teams voted. No single team got 20 votes. I remember some years with a clear favorite that got 18 1st place votes and the #2 guy got two 1st place votes from the clear favorite
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Dec 29, 2020 12:22:49 GMT -5
Looking like the seventh straight under .500 season.
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Post by thecrossisback on Dec 29, 2020 12:47:30 GMT -5
Tape this to the Wall in the Lockeroom. Time to put up the poll of how many wins this year. 10th place in this conference we will see.
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 29, 2020 13:20:54 GMT -5
As you are usually smart to do Tom, you almost always put a qualifier like "most" and "many." I stipulate I am not one of those "most knowledgeable" but I am also not one of the "many posters" who are optimistic about the coming season. One can argue that Nelson didn't have much to work with last season but he sure didn't have them exceed anyone's (should I put a qualifier on that?) expectations. The synergy of getting the players to exceed the sum of their individual talents was non-existent. Not sure the Crusaders should be picked for last but considering the results from last season; the significant turnover in players going into this season and resultant inexperience working together; the unproven game-coaching talents of Nelson leads me to believe we'll end up being a lot closer to 10th than 1st. I sure hope I'm wrong. And, so I am not confused with Classmate HC70 who we don't see here anymore (lurking, perhaps?), Nelson does NOT get 4 years to get his own guys to be successful with me. He also doesn't get from me the excuse that "gee, we're in the toughest pod" this season. Brett: Attachment Deleted
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Post by trimster on Dec 29, 2020 13:27:48 GMT -5
On a strange note, I wonder if someone like Loyola (who everyone seems to think is a step below BU and Colgate) could slide into a top 2 spot as BU and Colgate beat each other up. Another (and horrible) thing to think about, does BU have an advantage over Colgate playing the clear bottom team 6 times vs 4? ------------------------- On a side note, the people supposedly most knowledgeable people are not as optimistic about HC hoops this year as many posters here are Hope always springs eternal.
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Post by HC92 on Dec 29, 2020 13:29:26 GMT -5
As long as we show tangible progress this year and establish some sort of identity as a team that I think will allow us to win PL titles down the road, I’ll be good. Would love to see us have a real chance to win the league at the end for Austin and Matt’s sake, I don’t think that’s realistic. Would LOVE to be wrong.
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 29, 2020 13:33:43 GMT -5
'92, what's your definition of "tangible progress?"
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 29, 2020 14:18:06 GMT -5
Win? .......at least twice as many games as last year.
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 29, 2020 14:27:30 GMT -5
Win? .......at least twice as many games as last year. Prorated for a sixteen game schedule?
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 29, 2020 14:37:23 GMT -5
Not really. To me, I did think about that and 6 wins out of 16+ games seems like realistic improvement. 4 wins would be better (at 25% of games, which would have been about 7wins last year, but I don't see that as a tangible improvement.
Bottom line, I am looking more at overall team play and the individual development of our newcomers than any set number of wins.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Dec 29, 2020 14:53:42 GMT -5
Hopefully Nelson is able to figure out how to coach up a halfway decent defense this season.
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Post by possum on Dec 29, 2020 14:55:07 GMT -5
The so called experts know as much about 75% of our roster as Crossports posters, nothing. Coming off a 3 win last place finish with a virtually new team and the loss of their best player, there's no place to put them except at the bottom of the league. That being said, the delay in the start of the season should be a benefit to us as the newcomers have had an extra 6 weeks to acclimate themselves to whatever offensive and defensive schemes the coaching staff has put in place. Maybe out of desperation I'm going to assume that the newcomers are better than what we've been getting in the recent past because if they're not we're in big trouble, you can't turn the roster over every year. Don't know how many wins we'll get but after watching them play I think I'll be able to tell if they're headed in the right direction. Sader 70 just curious did you put Blaney on notice after his first year when he went 8-18 with two big time players another who scored almost a 1,000 points in 3 years and a high school All American.
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 29, 2020 14:55:54 GMT -5
With six games against BU, I just hope teams from Beantown (Northeastern and UMass Boston last year) don't turn out to be Nelson's Kryptonite.
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 29, 2020 15:41:15 GMT -5
Nope. In the Blaney days, I was not within media distance of what was going on with Holy Cross basketball. Frankly, that's ancient history . . . . like not taking the invitation to join the Big East. No interest in it. In the more instant case, going 3-29 was abominable and losing as many players as we did last season was also historic - and not in the good sense. I'm sorry to say, I literally saw nothing positive last basketball season. The jury is out on the incoming players but even if they are all high school All-Americans (none are), can Nelson coach them? That's TBD too. Last season's roster may not have been top-flight but you can't convince me that they weren't better than a 3 win season. I again repeat that I hope and pray that I am proven wrong and as I also said, I'll be the first to jump on the "Brett Bandwagon" (trademark pending ) if he turns out to be another Willard or Blaney and not another Sean Kearney.
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Post by HC92 on Dec 29, 2020 16:58:21 GMT -5
'92, what's your definition of "tangible progress?" As the Supreme Court says, I’ll know it when I see it. Not as concerned about wins and losses as whether we have an identity and a plan that will allow us to win a high percentage of our games in the future. Nelson got a pass last year because of the state of our roster but I didn’t see any Xs and Os coaching that would provide us an advantage over opponents. Hoping to see some of that this year.
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