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Post by Chu Chu on Jan 5, 2021 14:13:28 GMT -5
It is an unusual opportunity to play the same team consecutively in such a short period of time. I will be interested to see what adjustments Coach Nelson makes, based on our experience.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Jan 5, 2021 14:18:20 GMT -5
One other observation from this humble correspondent: I know he struggled yesterday, but I'm bullish on Martindale. Just watching him put the ball on the floor for a drive, you can see he has a combination of power and burst that is going to be difficult for opponents to stop once he gets comfortable (especially at the PL level, with his size). Martindale missed the first shot of the season (a 3-pointer) 18 seconds in, then picked up two quick fouls four minutes later. Never looked comfortable again.
He needs to come out confidently today and attack the basket to set up his outside game. The kid can play.
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Post by Tom on Jan 5, 2021 14:56:21 GMT -5
One example of self-inflicted - dribbling ball off foot out of bounds hoops is right about tennis - i.e. double faults, foot on end line while serving BTW, maybe some trivia....player drives the lane, makes contact with defender, gets whistled for an offensive foul. Is that also scored as a turnover ? fault is in the eyes of the beholder Could aggressive defensive pressure cause a player to mis-dribble the ball off his foot? Maybe yes. Maybe no
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Post by timholycross on Jan 5, 2021 17:54:03 GMT -5
Semi off topic for people who didn't watch the game. - HC got a flop warning. I don't recall that happening before. As the announcer described it, a second offense would have been a technical. Not sure if this a new rule. It should be sufficient penalty that your team has to play 4 on 5 while you rest on the floor, but flops have gotten out of hand. There used to be a radio announcer who, if a player tricked the ref into a bad foul call by flopping, called the player a stanislavski player. In that spirit, I tried to convince former poster and WCHC broadcaster Holty to refer to opponents who did that as drama majors. Not flopping at all, but a sign that Gates is a really solid kid, there were multiple times when Gates got fouled, but the BU player was the one on the floor Wasn't it Johnny Most who used the term "stanislavski" to describe a flopper? Right you are, newfie! And if he were still with us and Gerrale Gates could be paired with another bruiser type; we'd be seeing the second coming of McFilthy and McNasty!
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Post by Tom on Jan 6, 2021 8:36:38 GMT -5
Most was the radio guy I was referring to
Gates would not get the McFilthy/McNasty treatment. The Celtics always had players of such fine character, they would never get a derogatory nickname.
In all fairness, sometimes people rehabilitate themselves and become better people. If Most were calling HC games and HC played New Orleans last year, I imagine some comments would have been made then, but this year Gates would be a fine human being simply establishing position
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Post by hchoops on Jan 6, 2021 8:43:13 GMT -5
Mcfilthy and McNasty(Ruland and Mahorn ?) were dirty players, Gates is physical.
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Post by newfieguy74 on Jan 6, 2021 9:01:11 GMT -5
Most, who smoked like a chimney, once set himself on fire during a game. BTW, I can remember going to the Garden when smoking was allowed, and there would be a huge cloud of smoke hanging over the court.
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Post by possum on Jan 6, 2021 9:05:49 GMT -5
Was Laimbeer rather than Ruland, you are right they were dirty players by far the most physical or dirty team of all time.
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Post by trimster on Jan 6, 2021 9:35:24 GMT -5
Most, who smoked like a chimney, once set himself on fire during a game. BTW, I can remember going to the Garden when smoking was allowed, and there would be a huge cloud of smoke hanging over the court. Someone said recently Heinsohn used to look forward to his halftime lockeroom cigarette in his playing days.
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Post by Tom on Jan 6, 2021 11:57:01 GMT -5
Was Laimbeer rather than Ruland, you are right they were dirty players by far the most physical or dirty team of all time. Definitely Ruland and Mahorn from their days as teammates on the Bullets. The only pair of nicknames I remember from the Bad Boys was mustard and relish for Rodman and Salley. Because they were hot dogs
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Post by timholycross on Jan 6, 2021 12:13:38 GMT -5
Most, who smoked like a chimney, once set himself on fire during a game. BTW, I can remember going to the Garden when smoking was allowed, and there would be a huge cloud of smoke hanging over the court. Someone said recently Heinsohn used to look forward to his halftime lockeroom cigarette in his playing days. The 6 part Jordan series on ESPN had Michael recalling that when he went into the locker room at the half his rookie year, the coach (Albeck) and a couple players would light one up.
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Post by timholycross on Jan 6, 2021 12:15:26 GMT -5
Mcfilthy and McNasty(Ruland and Mahorn ?) were dirty players, Gates is physical. The truth would not stop Most from still saying it. Or Ted Sarandis, who tried to paint Pat Whearty with the same kind of brush.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Jan 6, 2021 12:34:29 GMT -5
Mcfilthy and McNasty(Ruland and Mahorn ?) were dirty players, Gates is physical. The truth would not stop Most from still saying it. Or Ted Sarandis, who tried to paint Pat Whearty with the same kind of brush. I used to like Sarandis before he became "Ted Nation" on WEEI. After that, his head swelled up fatter than a basketball. He did love his college hoops.
Once had a long conversation with him about the Patriot/Ivy Leagues at a 99 restaurant, where he was working on Eddie Andelman's afternoon show. Another time, after calling him on the ride home from a HC game in Hartford in a snowstorm, he awarded me his Ted Nation Salute, where he supposedly stood up in the studio and clapped. Apologies to those who have no clue who this guy is!
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Jan 6, 2021 12:45:11 GMT -5
Watched the game again. So impressed with Gates' ability to get the most of out his body. There was one time (think first half) where he just abused Hemphill 1:1 before laying it in.....and Hemphill must have 4-5 inches on him.
It's like we lost one former league rookie of the year, with a unique skill set.....and replaced him with another former league rookie of the year with a unique skill set. Whouda thunk?
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Post by rgs318 on Jan 6, 2021 13:07:15 GMT -5
...sounds a bit like Keith Hochstein IIRC.
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Post by timholycross on Jan 7, 2021 14:44:03 GMT -5
Actually, an intriguing pairing would have been Gates and Pridgen; although it's possible that (a) Gates would not have received an offer if Joe were still here or (b) Gates would have turned it down.
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Post by rgs318 on Jan 7, 2021 14:54:32 GMT -5
I have wondered about that particular "might have been." I am also wondering what the role will be for our other big men in coming games. HC has been called for fewer fouls this year (last game) or distributed them across the team (first game). Now let's see what Rabinovich (who played in game #1) and Coulibaly (when he has enough practice time under him belt) can do to make fouls even less of an issue.
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Post by timholycross on Jan 7, 2021 14:58:41 GMT -5
I have wondered about that particular "might have been." I am also wondering what the role will be for our other big men in coming games. HC has been called for fewer fouls this year (last game) or distributed them across the team (first game). Now let's see what Rabinovich 9(played in game #1) and Coulibaly (when he has enough practice time under him belt) can do to make fouls even less of an issue. How many men did we usually use last year? Was it eight for a while then seven after the Lowder/Hargis defections? Our bench hasn't scored very much this year so far; but it's still been an upgrade.
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Post by hchoops on Jan 7, 2021 15:03:56 GMT -5
Not many points from the bench so far, but many minutes, mostly quality minutes, but also defense, most significant by Wade at the end of our win over BU. When Louth is ready, that production could increase
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jan 7, 2021 15:19:56 GMT -5
I'd be interested in any feedback/opinions on Montgomery, Humphrey, and Townsell. I feel I have a good handle on how both Gates and Martindale play and how they will contribute to the team (a lot!).
I know that the sample size is small (2 games and few minutes each) but at least from the start Bo is showing that he's not afraid to try to score with 9 field goal attempts in 31 minutes. He also has two blocks--he may never get another, but I'll bet against that even with the small sample size. He has two steals. He's committed only one PF--pretty good start for a freshman adjusting to a faster game. Malcolm III and Bubba have not played as many minutes--any observations there?
Mike Rabinovich played only 3 minutes in the first game--maybe he'll get another stint to see what he can do versus Army.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Jan 7, 2021 15:46:39 GMT -5
I just think Bo/Bubba/Malcolm give the bench versatility (mainly defensively) that had been lacking. Gives Coach the option of playing a 94 foot defensive game. Couldn't do that at all last year. They also seem to have some potential offensively in terms of attacking the basket.
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Post by Crosser on Jan 7, 2021 16:01:25 GMT -5
Not many points from the bench so far, but many minutes, mostly quality minutes, but also defense, most significant by Wade at the end of our win over BU. When Louth is ready, that production could increase Wade’s improvement on defense from the beginning of last year to the present has been remarkable. He’s also a boatload of bench points just waiting to happen.
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Post by rgs318 on Jan 7, 2021 16:04:03 GMT -5
I agree about Wade's development. I also believe he will have a big offensive game soon (if he gets a chance).
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Post by bringbackcaro on Jan 7, 2021 16:29:14 GMT -5
I'd be interested in any feedback/opinions on Montgomery, Humphrey, and Townsell. I feel I have a good handle on how both Gates and Martindale play and how they will contribute to the team (a lot!). I know that the sample size is small (2 games and few minutes each) but at least from the start Bo is showing that he's not afraid to try to score with 9 field goal attempts in 31 minutes. He also has two blocks--he may never get another, but I'll bet against that even with the small sample size. He has two steals. He's committed only one PF--pretty good start for a freshman adjusting to a faster game. Malcolm III and Bubba have not played as many minutes--any observations there? Mike Rabinovich played only 3 minutes in the first game--maybe he'll get another stint to see what he can do versus Army. Bo: I think his versatility being able to play (and defend) the 1-3 positions will be a huge asset this year, especially with how he appears to be comfortable spelling RJ at the point. Bubba: `I have been impressed with his defense so far - a couple plays in particular where he was able to move his feet and body to stay in front of offensive players trying to penetrate to the hoop, something that our personnel has really struggled to do the past few years which caused serious team defensive breakdowns trying to recover. Townsell: In an ideal world, I think he is the 4th big in the rotation as a stretch 4. While not a superstar, it is nice to at the very least have an extra body with experience beyond high school basketball. Overall, I'm extremely encouraged with what Nelson's new personnel has looked like through two games.
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Post by HC92 on Jan 7, 2021 16:32:38 GMT -5
Will be interesting to see if Faw is able to be more aggressive on defense if/when Louth shows he can play some minutes. I feel like Matt is trying really hard not to foul when he’s defending in the low post and that has led to some easy baskets.
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