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Post by hchoops on Jan 8, 2021 9:31:30 GMT -5
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jan 8, 2021 9:41:58 GMT -5
These north and south divisions are stupid.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2021 10:51:06 GMT -5
These north and south divisions are stupid. This is literally one of the dumbest ideas I have ever seen. Will the two division champ qualify for the FCS playoffs? Or, are we not participating?
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Post by purplehaze on Jan 8, 2021 10:51:51 GMT -5
When can we expect the football schedule to be released ?
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Post by gks on Jan 8, 2021 10:59:44 GMT -5
There are powers that be in the city of Worcester pushing hard to keep college kids out of the city in the spring semester. I'd be stunned if they actually play.
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Post by hchoops on Jan 8, 2021 11:07:37 GMT -5
These north and south divisions are stupid. This is literally one of the dumbest ideas I have ever seen. Will the two division champ qualify for the FCS playoffs? Or, are we not participating? As the article says, the two division winners will play for the PLC.
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Post by Ray on Jan 8, 2021 11:30:06 GMT -5
Everybody loves to bash the league office, but there is a certain logic to this:
You have six teams in the league. The regular season consists of four games. If the length of season is your beef, that's a different discussion. But if you accept these constraints, then the divisions make a certain amount of sense: the divisional structure ensures everyone in the division plays each other once, thus reducing (but not eliminating) the likelihood of ties, and hopefully providing clarity as to who belongs in a championship game.
Basically, this is an attempt to avoid an outcome where everyone is in one division, and you end up with, say, three teams tied at 3-1 records, and they didn't all play each other so you can't even use H2H to break a tie.
I actually give them credit for adding a championship game to the format. (I'd like to see them schedule 3rd place and 5th place games that weekend, just to give the players outside of the championship game, especially the seniors, another opportunity to play.)
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Post by deep Purple on Jan 8, 2021 11:31:33 GMT -5
Five (or more) games is better than nothing.
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Post by rgs318 on Jan 8, 2021 11:44:58 GMT -5
Do "non-division" games count in the standings toward the division title?
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Post by dharry13 on Jan 8, 2021 11:47:31 GMT -5
For the sake of argument and discussion maybe the schedule looks like:
3/13 @ Lehigh 3/20 vs. Fordham 3/27 @ Colgate 4/3 vs. Bucknell 4/10 makeup date 4/17 conf championship 4/24 - I believe the PL champ plans to play in the playoffs
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Post by timholycross on Jan 8, 2021 12:17:00 GMT -5
There are powers that be in the city of Worcester pushing hard to keep college kids out of the city in the spring semester. I'd be stunned if they actually play. The players are already on campus or living in the community, aren't they? If so, the worst I can see is 4 road games.
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Post by timholycross on Jan 8, 2021 12:24:16 GMT -5
Do "non-division" games count in the standings toward the division title? I would assume everything counts and it only becomes a divisional issue if you end up tied and haven't played a team. If HC was 3-1 and Lehigh was 3-1 and HC didn't have a "nth meeting ever" in the spring of 2021; then perhaps if one of those pair was 2-0 in their division and the other was 1-1 (and someone else was 2-0 but lost their two out-of-division games), the tiebreaker would go to the 2-0. What would be asinine is if, under that scenario, HC and Lehigh did meet and the winner of that game was not declared the champion because of what I said above. Then again, it's the Patriot League.
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Post by Ignutz on Jan 8, 2021 12:47:00 GMT -5
Have the trees grown too tall for folks to get a flat tire and watch the home games from the 290 breakdown lane?
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jan 8, 2021 13:27:53 GMT -5
There are powers that be in the city of Worcester pushing hard to keep college kids out of the city in the spring semester. I'd be stunned if they actually play. Prepare to be stunned. The city of Worcester okayed HC bringing students back to campus for the January term, which started two weeks before the Commonwealth's guideline of not returning students to campus for spring semester before January 18th. (Students who were already on campus, e.g., athletes and international students were exempt.) Holy Cross has partnered with WPI with respect to COVID protocols, and WPI was on-campus for the fall semester. WPI is far more important economically to the city of Worcester than Holy Cross, and Worcester is not about to shut WPI down. Massachusetts religiously tracks the number of COVID tests performed by colleges and universities throughout the state, and the number of positive tests. If one goes to the link below, www.mass.gov/info-details/covid-19-response-reporting#covid-19-interactive-data-dashboard-and then goes to the Higher Ed tab, one will learn that colleges and universities have done 3.4 million tests to date, with nearly 6,900 positive tests. These higher ed tests cover students (undergraduates / graduate and professional schools), staff, and faculty. The positivity rate for all of Massachusetts (other than higher ed) is 8 percent, for higher ed institutions, it currently is 0.8 percent. Schools with health professions schools and hospitals have higher percentages; e.g., BostonU's medical campus has a significantly higher positivity rate than the Comm Ave campus.) For the city of Worcester, the most recent 14 day positive test rate is 8.52 percent. For Holy Cross, the seven day (through January 8) positive rate is 0.57 percent. At Holy Cross, 37 students, 31 staff, and one other have tested positive since the last week in August. Since December 27th, four students and six staff have tested positive at HC. In the 14 day period ending January 5, in the city of Worcester, there were 2,363 positive tests. Clearly, Worcester's COVID problem is not centered on college campuses, but in the community, nearly all of which is associated with household spread.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jan 8, 2021 13:54:01 GMT -5
Everybody loves to bash the league office, but there is a certain logic to this: You have six teams in the league. The regular season consists of four games. If the length of season is your beef, that's a different discussion. But if you accept these constraints, then the divisions make a certain amount of sense: the divisional structure ensures everyone in the division plays each other once, thus reducing (but not eliminating) the likelihood of ties, and hopefully providing clarity as to who belongs in a championship game. Basically, this is an attempt to avoid an outcome where everyone is in one division, and you end up with, say, three teams tied at 3-1 records, and they didn't all play each other so you can't even use H2H to break a tie. I actually give them credit for adding a championship game to the format. (I'd like to see them schedule 3rd place and 5th place games that weekend, just to give the players outside of the championship game, especially the seniors, another opportunity to play.) Thank you, I didn't think of it from this perspective.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jan 8, 2021 13:55:12 GMT -5
There are powers that be in the city of Worcester pushing hard to keep college kids out of the city in the spring semester. I'd be stunned if they actually play. Stupid. How often does the average HC student leave the College Hill bubble during the course of a week and actually intermingle in the community?
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Post by hc87 on Jan 8, 2021 14:17:01 GMT -5
A few days ago I got a dm on Twitter from a player who had this as a "regular season" schedule:
@ Lehigh Fordham @ Colgate Bucknell
Starting on 3/13....with a week off for rescheduling if need be and 4/17 as the PLC game
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Post by thecrossisback on Jan 8, 2021 14:36:12 GMT -5
Happy there is some kind of schedule. HC should demolish opposition. I wish the league would say goodbye Georgetown and go find somebody else.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jan 8, 2021 14:59:17 GMT -5
There are powers that be in the city of Worcester pushing hard to keep college kids out of the city in the spring semester. I'd be stunned if they actually play. Stupid. How often does the average HC student leave the College Hill bubble during the course of a week and actually intermingle in the community? For me it was every day for an evening trip to Breen's followed by the Miss Woo
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Jan 8, 2021 16:00:42 GMT -5
Happy there is some kind of schedule. HC should demolish opposition. I wish the league would say goodbye Georgetown and go find somebody else. With who? Don't think there is any FB-playing 1AA school banging on the door in Center Valley to join the pL.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jan 8, 2021 16:13:26 GMT -5
I wish the league would say goodbye Georgetown and go find somebody else. Associate members are guests of the league and renew for three year terms. "The Council of Presidents may grant, on a three academic year basis, associate membership status to a college or university for the purpose of permitting such institution to participate in sports conducted under the auspices of the League. On or before the end of the second academic year, the League may offer continuation of associate membership to an institution for an additional three academic year term. Thereafter, the League may continue to renew an institution’s associate membership for subsequent three-academic year terms at the conclusion of the second year of each term." [PL Bylaws] If Fr. Boroughs wants Georgetown out and the presidents concur, they can simply give notice.
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Post by sader1970 on Jan 8, 2021 16:21:28 GMT -5
Considering his prior connection with GU and the fact he's already a lame duck, the chances that Fr. B would do this are slim and none. I suspect he is pleased to be associated with GU. And, folks, let's not forget that the first graduates from Holy Cross held GU degrees.
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Post by timholycross on Jan 8, 2021 17:44:57 GMT -5
GU's not going anywhere at the other schools' initiative. This season is a one off.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jan 8, 2021 18:24:14 GMT -5
GU's not going anywhere at the other schools' initiative. This season is a one off. Indeed, and GU is becoming increasingly competitive. If it weren't for their agreeing to the roster cap, GU potentially could stock players receiving need-based fin aid that the rest of the PL couldn't match. As has been pointed out in the past, the IL may have more need-based scollies on ftheir ootball rosters than the 85 scollies on Clemson's, ND's, BC's rosters.
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Post by thecrossisback on Jan 8, 2021 18:32:27 GMT -5
I guess Georgetown can stay. But nobody wants to travel to Georgetown for a football game. They play a weak schedule, they reunited a rivalry with Catholic. They finally finished the stadium. They have never won the league.
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