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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jan 21, 2021 6:54:18 GMT -5
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Post by timholycross on Jan 21, 2021 12:09:51 GMT -5
You mean someone over 50 in CT will not have the opportunity to be vaccinated and Yale students will?
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Post by rgs318 on Jan 21, 2021 12:19:31 GMT -5
What if they are alumni members of Skull and Bones? (Also known as "The Order," "Order 322" or "The Brotherhood of Death.")
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2021 13:05:52 GMT -5
I guess Georgetown can stay. But nobody wants to travel to Georgetown for a football game. They play a weak schedule, they reunited a rivalry with Catholic. They finally finished the stadium. They have never won the league. The sad reality is that it would be more exciting playing DeMatha or Gonzaga (high schools) than Georgetown. Better competition and overall stadium environment.
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Post by longsuffering on Jan 21, 2021 15:10:51 GMT -5
What if they are alumni members of Cross and Bones? They get theirs in the White House and State Dept. Staff medical offices. BTW isn't it Skull and Bones?
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Post by Crucis#1 on Jan 21, 2021 15:57:12 GMT -5
It is Skull and Bones. ☠️
They are entombed in the Tomb on High Street in New Haven.💀
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Post by hcpride on Jan 21, 2021 16:02:56 GMT -5
What if they are alumni members of Skull and Bones? (Also known as "The Order," "Order 322" or "The Brotherhood of Death.") Word has it the alumni Bonesmen kept their clubhouse closed (Covid) so there were no dinners at the Tombs this past semester. On a different note I am wondering if the very recent executive order mandating masks on all federal lands (including forests, etc.) and buildings will mean visitors will be masking up while playing at West Point this year. I know it was more for symbol than science so I'm hoping the West Point Golf Course is somehow excluded.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jan 23, 2021 0:02:10 GMT -5
[The sad reality is that it would be more exciting playing DeMatha or Gonzaga (high schools) than Georgetown. Better competition and overall stadium environment. Have you seen Buchanan Field (Gonzaga's stadium)?
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Post by timholycross on Jan 23, 2021 4:50:24 GMT -5
They call the buildings "luxury boxes", don't they?
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Post by sader1970 on Jan 23, 2021 6:34:31 GMT -5
Gentlemen, though I am not a huge fan of Georgetown, I'm not sure why the effort to put down the Hoyas.
Granted, we have won the last 5 games in the series 2015-2019, but lost the prior 2 (2013-14), won in 2012 and lost two in a row before that (2010-11). By my calculation, over the last 10 years, our record is 6-4, hardly dominating, especially since they don't have football athletic scholarships and we do.
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Post by HC92 on Jan 23, 2021 11:52:12 GMT -5
Of all the problems with the Patriot League, Georgetown being an associate member for football is not in the top 10,000. Great school. Decent team. Fun place to visit every other year.
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Post by joe on Jan 24, 2021 9:49:15 GMT -5
Georgetown is the premier academic school in the PL. Take a look at admissions numbers among other metrics. They can compete against us for recruits even without scholarships on this basis alone, similar to most of the Ivy League. They have done a very nice job with their program on their own terms and have beaten us plenty of times in recent memory. I have also wondered why their program is perennially belittled on this board.
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Post by rgs318 on Jan 24, 2021 10:05:07 GMT -5
Perhaps that is because Georgetown ties so hard to set themselves apart from the PL (and, IIRC, has never won a PL football title). Our series record stands at 19-11 which is certainly respectable for them with the handicaps they impose on themselves. "Plenty of times in recent memory"? I am not quite sure what that means. I admit I would feel better if their total wins over HC matched their number of PL football titles, but I am clearly biased. BTW - Anyone know why season results in the history section stop at 2017?
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Post by joe on Jan 24, 2021 10:33:03 GMT -5
GU won in 2013 and 2014, lost by 1 point in 2016, and had us nearly dead and buried in 2018 before totally collapsing, allowing a storybook comeback by HC to steal the win. Then we beat them on route to a PLC and haven’t played since. From a competitive standpoint, this is a pretty even series (in recent memory).
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Post by rgs318 on Jan 24, 2021 10:59:42 GMT -5
If I follow you, in the last 10 years they won twice and lost eight times (the margin does not really count, does it?). How is that "pretty even" and why does "recent memory" only go back 10 years? Know what they call a close game where the opponent scores one more point? A loss.
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Post by joe on Jan 24, 2021 11:29:50 GMT -5
If I follow you, in the last 10 years they won twice and lost eight times (the margin does not really count, does it?). How is that "pretty even" and why does "recent memory" only go back 10 years? Know what they call a close game where the opponent scores one more point? A loss. Ok . . . Last ten games 6-4 HC. Between 2013 and 2019 (the last 7 seasons played), it’s been 5-2 in favor of HC with two GU losses coming by 1 point - basically toss-ups. The series could easily be 4-3 for Georgetown. The reality is that regardless of the actual record, the games have been competitive with HC maybe a hair’s breadth better (or luckier) as of late. This is a big difference than if HC had been stomping all over some JV team at a JV field, as the belittling tenor of some posters on this board year after year would have one think. My point was to give credit to another proud Jesuit school for figuring out the riddle of how to be competitive without schollies, something that HC failed at for decades, and to emphasize that some of this has to do with GU’s excellent academic reputation. Yes, better than HC. That’s reality. I think the majority here who have watched these games over the last 7-10 years know what I mean. I chose 2013 as a starting point because it followed a run of HC dominance and Crossports trash talking that should have ended after our second consecutive loss in 2014, yet continues to this day. Want to go back further? How about HC losses in 2010 and 2011? Again last ten games, 6-4 HC. Almost as even as it can be.
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Post by HC92 on Jan 24, 2021 11:47:58 GMT -5
If we have to have an associate member for football, I would be hard pressed to think of a better fit for someone who we’d want and who would want us.
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Post by sader1970 on Jan 24, 2021 11:50:06 GMT -5
I repeat: Depending on one's age, 10 years ago (2010-2020) qualifies as "recent memory." I have my own reasons not to "care" for Georgetown as an institution but playing football in the PL is not one of them. I do think they "owe" (note the quotes, please) basketball games against a fellow Jesuit educational institution (i.e. Holy Cross) because of that connection, the PL connection (noting they are not in the PL for basketball) and because in years gone by, before any of our times here, a graduate of Holy Cross got a Georgetown degree. Add the fact that many professors and administrators taught and led both institutions, most recently Fr. Boroughs (forget Mulledy, please), how can they not play us at least occasionally in basketball. What? Are they too good for us?!
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jan 24, 2021 18:56:30 GMT -5
I do think they "owe" (note the quotes, please) basketball games against a fellow Jesuit educational institution (i.e. Holy Cross) because of that connection, the PL connection ...how can they not play us at least occasionally in basketball. What? Are they too good for us?! (This has been discussed before, so pardon to those who've read my thoughts on the matter.) The nature of contemporary college basketball does not support intersectional rivalries without the support of TV. Georgetown doesn't play BC anymore, nor Fordham or St. Joe's....and here's why. In a 31 game schedule, there are roughly eight non-conference games available that are not Big East games or conference-mandated challenge series (e.g., Gavitt Games, Big East-Big 12, etc.). Absent a game that ESPN puts up money for, the tradeoff to take a road game to the Hart Center is not justified by the lost revenue from a home game, and Georgetown's onerous lease with Capital One Arena mandates a minimum number of home games in the contract, usually 16, which takes that eight games down to two that it has true flexibility to schedule. In the last 10 years, true home and away series for the Hoyas have been rare: Kansas, Memphis, Charlotte, SMU. ESPN had a hand in all of them and even though the Big East is not always welcomed on that network, their scheduling made it possible for those games and make it work financially. Obviously, there is not a big GU alumni base in Central Mass clamoring for a game. The other issue is also obvious: with two regular New England road trips already in Big East play, playing in Worcester does not provide any potential recruiting play for some kid the way a one-off game in Kansas City or Memphis might. This is why BC will toss in a guarantee game at Alumni Stadium in football but the Eagles are never coming back to Fitton. If Coach Nelson wanted to take a check to play in Washington during exam season, there's probably an opportunity. I'm a believer in rivalries and would like to see games like this on a schedule every year. But the economics don't support a home and away series.
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Post by thecrossisback on Jan 24, 2021 19:41:26 GMT -5
I do think they "owe" (note the quotes, please) basketball games against a fellow Jesuit educational institution (i.e. Holy Cross) because of that connection, the PL connection ...how can they not play us at least occasionally in basketball. What? Are they too good for us?! (This has been discussed before, so pardon to those who've read my thoughts on the matter.) The nature of contemporary college basketball does not support intersectional rivalries without the support of TV. Georgetown doesn't play BC anymore, nor Fordham or St. Joe's....and here's why. In a 31 game schedule, there are roughly eight non-conference games available that are not Big East games or conference-mandated challenge series (e.g., Gavitt Games, Big East-Big 12, etc.). Absent a game that ESPN puts up money for, the tradeoff to take a road game to the Hart Center is not justified by the lost revenue from a home game, and Georgetown's onerous lease with Capital One Arena mandates a minimum number of home games in the contract, usually 16, which takes that eight games down to two that it has true flexibility to schedule. In the last 10 years, true home and away series for the Hoyas have been rare: Kansas, Memphis, Charlotte, SMU. ESPN had a hand in all of them and even though the Big East is not always welcomed on that network, their scheduling made it possible for those games and make it work financially. Obviously, there is not a big GU alumni base in Central Mass clamoring for a game. The other issue is also obvious: with two regular New England road trips already in Big East play, playing in Worcester does not provide any potential recruiting play for some kid the way a one-off game in Kansas City or Memphis might. This is why BC will toss in a guarantee game at Alumni Stadium in football but the Eagles are never coming back to Fitton. If Coach Nelson wanted to take a check to play in Washington during exam season, there's probably an opportunity. I'm a believer in rivalries and would like to see games like this on a schedule every year. But the economics don't support a home and away series. Georgetown basketball is to busy playing joke teams trying to win games. They know they can't win any in the Big East. Basketball program is a shell of it's former self. Playing Maryland Eastern Shore, Howard, Coppin State, Little Rock, Samford, UMBC. All at home. Never say never on the Eagles coming back to Fitton.
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Post by sader1970 on Jan 24, 2021 19:50:30 GMT -5
DFW, I never said the game needed to be in the Hart Center or even Worcester’s DCU. Play us down there. Hasn’t it been previously posted GU has played other PL teams but HC?
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jan 24, 2021 20:04:15 GMT -5
DFW, I never said the game needed to be in the Hart Center or even Worcester’s DCU. Play us down there. Hasn’t it been previously posted GU has played other PL teams but HC? Since 2005, games with American, Boston U, Colgate, Navy, Loyola, and Lafayette...all in Washington. But it takes two. If Coach Nelson wants to build that record, playing Fairfield or UMass-Boston in December might be more of his approach than a road game.
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Post by thecrossisback on Jan 24, 2021 20:06:47 GMT -5
But it takes two. If Coach Nelson wants to build that record, playing Fairfield or UMass-Boston at the Hart Center might be more of his approach than a road game. I think coach Nelson should get to play some home games in front of his fans. Georgetown plays 1 out of conference road game at best. They act to much like Kentucky and Duke. It's not good but they are a mid major right now.
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Post by Ignutz on Jan 24, 2021 21:54:07 GMT -5
(This has been discussed before, so pardon to those who've read my thoughts on the matter.) The nature of contemporary college basketball does not support intersectional rivalries without the support of TV. Georgetown doesn't play BC anymore, nor Fordham or St. Joe's....and here's why. In a 31 game schedule, there are roughly eight non-conference games available that are not Big East games or conference-mandated challenge series (e.g., Gavitt Games, Big East-Big 12, etc.). Absent a game that ESPN puts up money for, the tradeoff to take a road game to the Hart Center is not justified by the lost revenue from a home game, and Georgetown's onerous lease with Capital One Arena mandates a minimum number of home games in the contract, usually 16, which takes that eight games down to two that it has true flexibility to schedule. In the last 10 years, true home and away series for the Hoyas have been rare: Kansas, Memphis, Charlotte, SMU. ESPN had a hand in all of them and even though the Big East is not always welcomed on that network, their scheduling made it possible for those games and make it work financially. Obviously, there is not a big GU alumni base in Central Mass clamoring for a game. The other issue is also obvious: with two regular New England road trips already in Big East play, playing in Worcester does not provide any potential recruiting play for some kid the way a one-off game in Kansas City or Memphis might. This is why BC will toss in a guarantee game at Alumni Stadium in football but the Eagles are never coming back to Fitton. If Coach Nelson wanted to take a check to play in Washington during exam season, there's probably an opportunity. I'm a believer in rivalries and would like to see games like this on a schedule every year. But the economics don't support a home and away series. Georgetown basketball is to busy playing joke teams trying to win games. They know they can't win any in the Big East. Basketball program is a shell of it's former self. Playing Maryland Eastern Shore, Howard, Coppin State, Little Rock, Samford, UMBC. All at home. Never say never on the Eagles coming back to Fitton. In the late 70s, the Hoyas used to open against St. Leo.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jan 25, 2021 6:51:11 GMT -5
The high major conferences OOC schedules are dictated by the companies who paid the conferences for broadcast rights. Which in turn creates artificial rivalries, e.g., ACC playing B10. In 2018-19, a pre-COVID year, GU's men's basketball expenses were $13.6M; GU lost money, probably a lot of money on men's hoops. Women's hoops cost $3.1M, and revenue covered only a very small fraction of that cost.
BC, for the same year. Men's hoops $6.9M in expenses; $7.2M in revenue Women's hoops $4.2M in expenses; $500K in revenue.
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