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Post by cruskater31 on Jan 8, 2021 20:01:59 GMT -5
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Post by matunuck on Jan 8, 2021 20:06:15 GMT -5
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Post by bison137 on Jan 8, 2021 21:14:24 GMT -5
If this was Holy Cross’s decision, it is very surprising. Burke had done a very good job.
Hiis two predecessors were both removed during the middle of the season. And now this.
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Post by rgs318 on Jan 8, 2021 21:55:49 GMT -5
OK, my first question is ...what the heck is going on!!!
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Post by Crucis#1 on Jan 9, 2021 0:06:59 GMT -5
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ignatius
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Post by ignatius on Jan 10, 2021 9:03:38 GMT -5
Per the article—Sources tell Inside Lacrosse that, last fall, Holy Cross officials began to examine the team’s situation around recruiting/admissions, and members of the team say that they hadn’t had contact with members of the staff since prior to Thanksgiving.
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Post by crossbball13 on Jan 10, 2021 11:58:25 GMT -5
Remind me...what did Pine do right during his tenure (other than being forced to hire Chesney)? Blossom rolling his eyes.
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Post by sader1970 on Jan 10, 2021 12:34:00 GMT -5
Pretty much was the guy that dragged the financial campaign to get funds to build the multi-million dollar Luth to the finish line. Something his predecessor was unable or unwilling to do. No question the Luth is a big recruiting draw.
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Post by cruskater31 on Jan 10, 2021 13:06:11 GMT -5
Very interesting. Some of our alums even of they weren't on campus were driving to HC 3 times a week in the fall to practice. Sounds like they were engaged at that point. I wonder if the College started an investigation or some sort of internal thing over the winter. We must have admitted someone who once failed a calculus test in high school
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Post by crusadernutjob on Jan 10, 2021 15:06:33 GMT -5
This is bizarre and another black eye on the program which seemingly has tremendous potential. Blossom supposedly gave no insight.
I know lacrosse doesn't get nearly the funding, press, or attention that basketball or football gets (as it shouldn't) but this program has been trending upwards and you can't tell me for one second that if this was football or basketball that this wouldn't have been resolved in a week and it would have probably gotten swept under the rug.
Pathetic if you ask me and very weak demonstration from Blossom, I am unimpressed with his handling of this from what I have seen and gathered. Gag.
Burke's final head coaching record at HC is 14-12 giving him the second best winning percentage in program history and the guy is still below 30
This coaching position is less and less attractive. Lattimore was supposedly a lunatic and unfit to coach the team, now Burke gets canned for seemingly nothing. Back to square one...
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Post by purplehaze on Jan 10, 2021 16:01:54 GMT -5
you seem to know a lot more than you are revealing here - are you excusing the lack of contact from Burke to the team since Thanksgiving? - he was being paid to oversee the program and it looks like his attention was elsewhere
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Post by cruskater31 on Jan 10, 2021 16:02:01 GMT -5
The lack of transparency from our program troubles me. We saw it with Gibbons and even Tom Gilmore. This breeds rumors and speculations. It is natural for colleges and even secondary schools to minimize scandal and public relations issues but we see problems from major universities such as Penn State when there is no transparency. There were issues from teachers this year who spoke out against COVID protocols and unsafe conditions at private schools around the country.
Major universities have no issues investigating NCAA and internal complaints and do not act until after the findings are released. Watching ESPN regularly, I believe there is at least one mention of such an investigation once a week (on the "bottom line."
Perhaps I do wish the dreaded AI were loosened a bit while keeping our academic reputation strong. Perhaps I want more transparency. I would settle for an administration and athletic department who do not treat their alumni like naive stooges.
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Post by sader1970 on Jan 10, 2021 16:02:04 GMT -5
I may be missing something but what actually has happened that caused the coach to be dismissed? If recruiting violations then this will come out and sanctions of some sort.
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Post by rgs318 on Jan 10, 2021 17:09:51 GMT -5
Not contacting players is not any sort of violation of which I am aware. That does not bring any sanction. However, not contacting your own players for so long is a terrible thing to hear about a coach.
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Post by HC13 on Jan 10, 2021 17:35:17 GMT -5
Not contacting players is not any sort of violation of which I am aware that does not bring any sanction. However, not contacting your own players for so long is a terrible thing to hear about a coach. Based on the timing, may the reason have been they were instructed not to contact players?
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Post by HC92 on Jan 10, 2021 20:29:13 GMT -5
No one here has any idea what happened with Burke or why he was let go. Until some facts come to light, which they likely never will, it’s hard to conclude that HC handled it poorly. As for the desire for more transparency, employers just can’t be transparent with many issues that lead to termination of employees, no matter how much they might want to be. This is not an issue unique to HC.
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Post by cruskater31 on Jan 10, 2021 20:51:22 GMT -5
To my more seasoned fellow alums, I have been following Crusader athletics only for the last 15 or so years. I am sure we have had the occasional termination, scandal, or other issue over the years, but does anyone remember a stretch with more controversies/issues as we have seen lately? Just seems like a pattern to me.
LOVE HC and want to continue loving HC. Just hope guys I taught and coached who are now on the lacrosse team are not hurt by either the coach or athletic admin.
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Post by timholycross on Jan 10, 2021 21:38:17 GMT -5
"MEN'S LACROSSE HAS 37 TABBED AS PATRIOT LEAGUE ACADEMIC HONOR ROLL HONOREES"
Can't be an academic problem, can it? Were there supposed to be 38?
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Post by bfoley82 on Jan 10, 2021 21:56:30 GMT -5
This is bizarre and another black eye on the program which seemingly has tremendous potential. Blossom supposedly gave no insight. I know lacrosse doesn't get nearly the funding, press, or attention that basketball or football gets (as it shouldn't) but this program has been trending upwards and you can't tell me for one second that if this was football or basketball that this wouldn't have been resolved in a week and it would have probably gotten swept under the rug. Pathetic if you ask me and very weak demonstration from Blossom, I am unimpressed with his handling of this from what I have seen and gathered. Gag. Burke's final head coaching record at HC is 14-12 giving him the second best winning percentage in program history and the guy is still below 30 This coaching position is less and less attractive. Lattimore was supposedly a lunatic and unfit to coach the team, now Burke gets canned for seemingly nothing. Back to square one... What potential do you think they have? They have an average at best lacrosse facility (I would consider it below standards) and aren't fully funded while playing in the same conference as Loyola. A second place finish in the Patriot League would be considered a massive success.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jan 11, 2021 6:40:39 GMT -5
A few posters here appear to be oblivious to the contemporary world of Division I college athletics, and how this intersects with competition to be admitted into very competitive colleges and universities. See the Georgetown University tennis coach, the Harvard fencing coach, the Stanford sailing coach, the Yale soccer coach, etc. The referenced situations involve a coach helping secure admission for an athlete* by indicating to admissions that the athlete was a recruit. *Apparently in some instances, the recruit's bona fides as a Div I competitive, varsity athlete were questionable. If Inside Lacrosse said the matter centers on recruiting/admissions, one probably ought not look for further explanations, such as going incommunicado after the college went fully remote after Thanksgiving.
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Post by sader1970 on Jan 11, 2021 7:17:49 GMT -5
Trying to follow this thread reminds me of my required summer reading for discussion of "A Portrait of an Artist as a Young Man" by James Joyce as we entered Holy Cross in 1966. I was an excellent student in grammar school (thank you Sisters of Mercy); got stupider in high school (thank you Franciscan Friars) but was still smart enough to get admitted to Holy Cross (thank you, Dad, for making me a legacy) but reading Joyce's book was like reading Greek (I took French) and cringed at the idea of discussing this with my classmates the first week or school/orientation.
I'll let my Crossports/classmates weigh in but while a few in my small discussion group seemed to understand and enjoy the book, I was gratified to talk to some after class who felt as I did. WHAT?! Think it was a Jesuitical plot to knock any superior attitude incoming frosh had out of them.
So, really, what the heck is this all about?
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Post by alum on Jan 11, 2021 9:38:11 GMT -5
So, if I have this right
Adam Pascal 2005-2011 now a full time asst. coach at Babson Jim Morrisey 2011-2014 now head coach at St. Rose Judd Lattimore 2014-2018---now a volunteer asst. at BU Peter Burke 2018-present
Am I remembering correctly that each of these guys was let go in a way that was not typical, i.e., after the season?
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Post by princetoncrusader on Jan 11, 2021 13:14:34 GMT -5
Yes. I believe Pascal was dismissed by DR during the season. While I never played the game, I think its a great sport that HC could excel at, especially with the Luth facility. As is the case with most HC sports, it is underfunded.
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Post by newfieguy74 on Jan 11, 2021 14:13:31 GMT -5
Not to one-up you but when I was at HC I read Joyce's "Ulysses" and had to write a 20 page paper. That book is not for the faint of heart.
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Post by crusadernutjob on Jan 11, 2021 15:52:29 GMT -5
This is bizarre and another black eye on the program which seemingly has tremendous potential. Blossom supposedly gave no insight. I know lacrosse doesn't get nearly the funding, press, or attention that basketball or football gets (as it shouldn't) but this program has been trending upwards and you can't tell me for one second that if this was football or basketball that this wouldn't have been resolved in a week and it would have probably gotten swept under the rug. Pathetic if you ask me and very weak demonstration from Blossom, I am unimpressed with his handling of this from what I have seen and gathered. Gag. Burke's final head coaching record at HC is 14-12 giving him the second best winning percentage in program history and the guy is still below 30 This coaching position is less and less attractive. Lattimore was supposedly a lunatic and unfit to coach the team, now Burke gets canned for seemingly nothing. Back to square one... What potential do you think they have? They have an average at best lacrosse facility (I would consider it below standards) and aren't fully funded while playing in the same conference as Loyola. A second place finish in the Patriot League would be considered a massive success. Below average lacrosse facility is a flaming hot take. Their stadium needs to be returfed but if you have seen their locker room, weight room, film room, indoor facility you wouldn't be spewing such nonsense. I was speaking of tremendous potential based on where they finish almost every year. This team used to be the Bad News Bears of lacrosse and now they are competitive routinely knocking off Ivy League opponents. They dropped a one goal contest to the eventual patriot league champion army with a first year head coach. I'm not saying this team is going to be early 2000's syracuse but if you think for one second that this team cant be consistently competitve each year with a few slight tweaks you have little to no grasp on college lacrosse good sir.
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