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Post by Crucis#1 on Aug 10, 2021 21:04:19 GMT -5
Sad that neither Joe or Drew received an informed academic guidance before college. Unfortunately reality has now set in that basketball is not the be all and end all regarding how they should focus their life in the future. Too many kids bouncing the ball, instead of hitting the library.
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Post by purplehaze on Aug 10, 2021 21:22:33 GMT -5
Pridgen is in a much better position - Northeastern is a very good school and the CAA is a better brand of basketball than the PL - and he’s playing close to home -
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Aug 10, 2021 21:53:08 GMT -5
Pridgen is in a much better position - Northeastern is a very good school and the CAA is a better brand of basketball than the PL - and he’s playing close to home - Northeastern is higher ranked academically than HC is these days. Northeastern's V/M SATs at the 25th and 75th percentiles are higher than BC's.
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Post by longsuffering on Aug 10, 2021 22:22:44 GMT -5
NU is ascendant at the moment.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Aug 11, 2021 6:39:03 GMT -5
Pridgen is in a much better position - Northeastern is a very good school and the CAA is a better brand of basketball than the PL - and he’s playing close to home - I thought he was at UNCW?
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Post by HC92 on Aug 11, 2021 7:05:16 GMT -5
Pridgen is in a much better position - Northeastern is a very good school and the CAA is a better brand of basketball than the PL - and he’s playing close to home - I thought he was at UNCW? He was. Transferred again. Now at Northeastern.
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Post by hchoops on Aug 11, 2021 7:05:44 GMT -5
Pridgen is in a much better position - Northeastern is a very good school and the CAA is a better brand of basketball than the PL - and he’s playing close to home - I thought he was at UNCW that was last month
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Post by WorcesterGray on Aug 11, 2021 7:09:24 GMT -5
Sad that neither Joe or Drew received an informed academic guidance before college. Lowder's father was a high school principal.
Like the vast majority of Carmody's recruits, they were not vetted for their interest in Holy Cross and the rich academic, cultural, and community engagement that it offered. They were recruited to the College of the Princeton Offense and its narrow, specialized interests.
Hopefully, Nelson's recruits will embrace the entirety of their experience here.
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Post by newfieguy74 on Aug 11, 2021 7:40:25 GMT -5
NU is ascendant at the moment. This an interesting development. NU used to be considered a somewhat respected blue collar-ish middle of the road urban school that had a unique aspect (co-op). One of my sons went there for his freshman year and then transferred. I know that their applications have gone through the roof, which always raises a school's profile. I just can't figure out why it happened. The campus doesn't blow you away, although they have spent money on some new buildings. I guess if you like going to school in the middle of the city it's a great location, just avoid walking through the Fens at night.
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Post by Tom on Aug 11, 2021 8:26:32 GMT -5
This may have been answered already, but does Lowder have to sit a year when/if he returns to D-I?
Everybody, like Lowder and Gates, got a free pass on sitting out this year because of COVID. The NCAA has since said everybody gets a one shot exemption to the sit a year rule. Does the COVID exemption that allowed Lowder to play this year in Michigan count as the NCAA one shot exemption? Or does everyone who transferred in the summer of 2020 get a bonus exemption?
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Post by longsuffering on Aug 11, 2021 10:56:32 GMT -5
This may have been answered already, but does Lowder have to sit a year when/if he returns to D-I? Everybody, like Lowder and Gates, got a free pass on sitting out this year because of COVID. The NCAA has since said everybody gets a one shot exemption to the sit a year rule. Does the COVID exemption that allowed Lowder to play this year in Michigan count as the NCAA one shot exemption? Or does everyone who transferred in the summer of 2020 get a bonus exemption? If I was the Grand Poobah I would credit his Juco year as his sit year.
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Post by Tom on Aug 11, 2021 11:13:59 GMT -5
The rule was never actually sit a year. It was a full year enrolled at the new school. Assuming the exemption to play at Michigan counts as his one time exemption, the sit out clock wouldn't start until he enrolled at the new school
We might get our answer in early November, because Pridgen is in the exact same boat with his second transfer
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Post by longsuffering on Aug 11, 2021 11:26:34 GMT -5
The rule was never actually sit a year. It was a full year enrolled at the new school. Assuming the exemption to play at Michigan counts as his one time exemption, the sit out clock wouldn't start until he enrolled at the new school We might get our answer in early November, because Pridgen is in the exact same boat with his second transfer Interesting. Joe is worth NU providing a scholarship for a sit year and it has graduate programs, too. It could work out well for him. He gave us something to cheer about for a year. He's a vagabond but he has game so he pays for his supper wherever he is.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Aug 11, 2021 11:37:10 GMT -5
Sad that neither Joe or Drew received an informed academic guidance before college.
Like the vast majority of Carmody's recruits, they were not vetted for their interest in Holy Cross and the rich academic, cultural, and community engagement that it offered. They were recruited to the College of the Princeton Offense and its narrow, specialized interests.
This was strange to me - I never pegged either Lowder or Pridgen as "Princeton type players". In fact, with Pridgen, I thought he was a more a Nelson style of player than a Carmody/Princeton style player. Anyway, Polar Springs under the bridge.
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Post by timholycross on Aug 11, 2021 12:47:04 GMT -5
NU is ascendant at the moment. This an interesting development. NU used to be considered a somewhat respected blue collar-ish middle of the road urban school that had a unique aspect (co-op). One of my sons went there for his freshman year and then transferred. I know that their applications have gone through the roof, which always raises a school's profile. I just can't figure out why it happened. The campus doesn't blow you away, although they have spent money on some new buildings. I guess if you like going to school in the middle of the city it's a great location, just avoid walking through the Fens at night. Seems to me that Boston just got so popular as a student destination that BC went nuts, application-wise, then BU, then NU filled the void. Haven't set foot on the campus except for the Arena for 40 years (Perry Moss at Cabot Gym, one of the worst HC defeats evah).
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Post by newfieguy74 on Aug 11, 2021 13:00:40 GMT -5
BC, of course, had the Flutie effect. IMO NU did two things: 1.) invested in building, including things like a dramatic high rise dorm, and 2.) marketing. Many posters have discussed the need for HC to market itself better and I think that is 100% right.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Aug 11, 2021 13:16:47 GMT -5
This an interesting development. NU used to be considered a somewhat respected blue collar-ish middle of the road urban school that had a unique aspect (co-op). One of my sons went there for his freshman year and then transferred. I know that their applications have gone through the roof, which always raises a school's profile. I just can't figure out why it happened. The campus doesn't blow you away, although they have spent money on some new buildings. I guess if you like going to school in the middle of the city it's a great location, just avoid walking through the Fens at night. Seems to me that Boston just got so popular as a student destination that BC went nuts, application-wise, then BU, then NU filled the void. Haven't set foot on the campus except for the Arena for 40 years (Perry Moss at Cabot Gym, one of the worst HC defeats evah). I believe you have it figured out perfectly. I have an MBA from Northeastern '77 and was pleased with the instruction I received there. However, the school has changed dramatically since then and has benefitted, as you note, from Boston becoming such a "cool" city. No doubt the success of the Red Sox has helped advance that notion. I remember asking a high school student here in Louisville some years ago where he was planning to go to college and he said boston college. I asked what it was about the school that appealed to him and he answered "because it's in Boston".. That's just one person's story (he ended up going to Vanderbilt) but I think it is illustrative
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Post by longsuffering on Aug 11, 2021 13:54:40 GMT -5
Northeastern was always considered strong in Engineering, affordable because of the five year co-op arrangement that provides paid experience along with your diploma, and commutable because it's right on the T. (As is BC, BU and UMass Boston).
They became a bit of a factory and made a decision to downsize and that made them more selective similar to HC going co-ed. Lately they have been expanding in distant places such as their proposal to purchase struggling Mills College in Oakland, CA., a women's college since 1852, and make it co-ed.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Aug 11, 2021 15:16:32 GMT -5
NU is ascendant at the moment. This an interesting development. NU used to be considered a somewhat respected blue collar-ish middle of the road urban school that had a unique aspect (co-op). One of my sons went there for his freshman year and then transferred. I know that their applications have gone through the roof, which always raises a school's profile. I just can't figure out why it happened. The campus doesn't blow you away, although they have spent money on some new buildings. I guess if you like going to school in the middle of the city it's a great location, just avoid walking through the Fens at night. This sounds about right. When I was looking at colleges 15 years ago, Northeastern definitely would have been a safety school for just about anyone that would've been accepted to Holy Cross. It DID already have the reputation as a school where academic curriculum more directly translate into career opportunities straight out of undergrad. We used to complain about how worthless HC Career Services was. It was as if HC wantes everyone to either a) go to med school b) go to law school c) Teach For America d) Jesuit Volunteer Corps. No wonder Northeastern has parlayed that into more competitive admissions.
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Post by HC92 on Aug 11, 2021 15:46:31 GMT -5
Northeastern is yet another school that went from safety school to tougher to get into than HC under Fr. B’s watch. At least we got rid of the Crusader and issued a bunch of leftist statements on issues of the day having little to do with HC’s place in the increasingly competitive world of higher education. .
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Post by longsuffering on Aug 11, 2021 16:45:56 GMT -5
Northeastern is yet another school that went from safety school to tougher to get into than HC under Fr. B’s watch. At least we got rid of the Crusader and issued a bunch of leftist statements on issues of the day having little to do with HC’s place in the increasingly competitive world of higher education. . And grew more ivory on the sides of buildings. Father Brooks had the coeducation card to play to start his third year as well as the integration card he played even before he became President, both positive initiatives and he had the baby boomer demographic trend working in his favor. Father B. raised money and got buildings built to prepare HC for another surge forward, hopefully. But what card is left for PVR to play to give us another shot in the arm? He has demographics, the fall from grace of Catholicism, affordability of private higher education, the explosion of online learning, etc., all working against him. What rabbit can he pull out of the hat?
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Post by timholycross on Aug 11, 2021 17:10:35 GMT -5
NU was rising long before Father B took over. Most of my friends' kids started applying to colleges at the turn of the century; how much that place had ramped up was part of a few conversations I had at the time.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Aug 12, 2021 6:42:47 GMT -5
NU was rising long before Father B took over. Most of my friends' kids started applying to colleges at the turn of the century; how much that place had ramped up was part of a few conversations I had at the time. Indeed. NU started investing in academic buildings. The city of Boston compelled them to build residence halls. They became a destination for international students. Little/no investment in their athletic programs. And the rest just fell into place. NU has more international undergraduates than HC has undergraduates. facts.northeastern.edu/
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Post by dadominate on Aug 12, 2021 7:51:23 GMT -5
Northeastern is yet another school that went from safety school to tougher to get into than HC under Fr. B’s watch. At least we got rid of the Crusader and issued a bunch of leftist statements on issues of the day having little to do with HC’s place in the increasingly competitive world of higher education. . hc hasn't received a dime from me since this strong turn away from the catholic mission of the college and constant divisive political messaging that alienates half of its supporters. that said, i still support the athletics programs because i appreciate the focus on true student-athletes and high character of our student-athletes. plus, i appreciate the fact that the athletics department has not introduced the aforementioned divisive poison into the brand and are one of the few remaining bastions of sports that is not afflicted by divisiveness. i think i can speak for most people in that i hope for a return to a focus on sports in sports (what a concept?!?) that had previously unified us and provided a distraction from the issues of the day that seem to permeate everything else.
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Post by alum on Aug 12, 2021 8:34:35 GMT -5
I think that HC's housing is holding it back. "Kids today" don't really want the traditional two to a room experience most of us enjoyed and at many of the schools my kids looked at, they did not have to live like that after the first year.
Per the website, this is the set up right now.
First years--Brooks (fka Mulledy) Clark and Hanselman--traditional two person rooms with the capacity for all first years and their RAs
Sophomores--Healy, Lehy and Wheeler--traditional two person rooms for all sophs
Upperclassmen--Figge and Williams (seniors only) apartments with full kitchens for about 400 students total. Alumni/Carlin--suites--no kitchens Loyola--suites--no kitchens
From what I have seen elsewhere, the lack of singles and the need to eat in the dining hall as juniors are probably a drawback to attracting students in the first place and keeping them on campus once they are there.
Some colleges have gone into business with developers to build townhouses. The college provides the land, the developer builds the building at its expense, the college collects the room fees and pays the developer minus a cut. I would assume that maintainence is shared somehow.
HC could take that land it has acquired and do this. Move most of the seniors to that housing. Move the juniors to the Figge and Brooks apartments with kitchens. Let some sophomores live in Carlin and Alumni. Make singles available to sophomores and up. Admit 75 more kids per year.
Obviously, it is more complicated than this, but I hope they are thinking about this.
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