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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jan 16, 2021 15:57:28 GMT -5
Colgate is now #3 in D-1 in effective fg pctg
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Post by trimster on Jan 16, 2021 16:39:46 GMT -5
Disagree. "Part of the process" is showing up ready to play, and being competitive. Hey sometimes you can't shoot and they make everything from three. All the more reason to hang your hat on defense and so far, our defense has been bad. |
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Post by Crosser on Jan 16, 2021 16:40:07 GMT -5
A nice double-double for Matt and playing the most minutes (33 without fouling out) he seemed quite engaged throughout. ESPN box score says we got out rebounded 46-30 (Gates 2 and Martindale 1). I know some bounces didn’t go our way, but c’mon! And does anyone believe we “only” had 15 turnovers? Johnson with 2?! Just a bad day for a young and roster challenged team. Hoping for a better showing tomorrow!
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Post by Ray on Jan 16, 2021 16:45:37 GMT -5
On our defensive end: Gate got 19 offensive rebounds, we got 22 defensive rebounds. That's hideous.
The three-point shooting disparity might even out tomorrow, but we need to control the defensive glass or Gate will win in another rout.
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Post by newfieguy74 on Jan 16, 2021 16:56:18 GMT -5
I think it's to the point where Nelson has to say: when a Colgate shot goes up everyone--all five-- find someone to box out, even if they're 30 feet from the basket. If you don't box out you sit out.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jan 16, 2021 17:10:45 GMT -5
I think it's to the point where Nelson has to say: when a Colgate shot goes up everyone--all five-- find someone to box out, even if they're 30 feet from the basket. If you don't box out you sit out. Is that not how it should always be? |
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Post by HC92 on Jan 16, 2021 17:18:20 GMT -5
I think it's to the point where Nelson has to say: when a Colgate shot goes up everyone--all five-- find someone to box out, even if they're 30 feet from the basket. If you don't box out you sit out. Is that not how it should always be? Had a 6th grader box his guy out at the three point line and get the rebound Thursday night. Had to stop practice. I almost cried I was so happy. |
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Post by newfieguy74 on Jan 16, 2021 17:22:56 GMT -5
My experience has been that if you watch basketball at any level and concentrate just on watching who's boxing out you will be shocked how little it's done and how poorly it's done. Sometimes coaches tell their guards to release when a shot goes up, but given our glaring rebounding deficiencies I would take the all hands on deck approach. It doesn't take a lot of athletic ability to box out. It takes commitment and some technique.
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Post by hchoops on Jan 16, 2021 17:28:45 GMT -5
My experience has been that if you watch basketball at any level and concentrate just on watching who's boxing out you will be shocked how little it's done and how poorly it's done. Sometimes coaches tell their guards to release when a shot goes up, I am not aware of any Coach that says this with all the long 3 point misses resulting in long rebounds. |
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Post by hchoops on Jan 16, 2021 17:31:32 GMT -5
Is that not how it should always be? Had a 6th grader box his guy out at the three point line and get the rebound Thursday night. Had to stop practice. I almost cried I was so happy. Good coaching Wait ! Is this CYO playing in Connecticut ? |
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Post by bringbackcaro on Jan 16, 2021 23:31:34 GMT -5
I think it's to the point where Nelson has to say: when a Colgate shot goes up everyone--all five-- find someone to box out, even if they're 30 feet from the basket. If you don't box out you sit out. Is that not how it should always be? While your five guys have their back to the basket scrambling to find someone to box out, the offense will be watching and going after the ball. Our issue today wasn’t as simple as not boxing out, because that would imply we had a defender near every offensive player. Our issue today was that we often had extra 1-2 guys scrambling to help on the ball, cause the entire defensive structure to collapse and guys to scramble all over the place. 1-2 passes later, Colgate had a wide open look and our defense was still scrambling/not in a strong position to rebound. |
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Jan 17, 2021 6:10:19 GMT -5
If the guys have the same performance today I guess I'll get upset, but we've seen this pattern all over college basketball with Sat-Sun matchups so far this year. Today will be more telling imho. I just think it's great that already the expectations seem to have risen on this board; good sign to me.
Call me an apologist, but while the current squad has weaknesses and shortcomings with defense and rebounding, I've watched plenty of Colgate games with this group.... and they get a lot of good looks against many teams. Its tough when you've got guys like Burns and Cummings who can really attack the rim, while also having 3 point shooters everywhere you look (Ferguson is starting to feel like one of those kids who has been around forever). They score 95 points and the leading scorer has 14! They're not bad defensively either; I feel like they did a better job contesting our shots than BU or Army did. And they made life difficult for GG around the rim.
Having said that, we've simply got to start shooting free throws better. And AB had a few really poor kick out passes; that can't happen against the better teams.
One other thing to consider when looking at the gap right now between the two teams: Colgate is getting the benefit of having their 2 freshman bigs coming off the bench, while we've gotten 2-3 minutes from ours so far. I am NOT suggesting this would have made a 40 point difference, but if you make the swap all of a sudden we're the bigger team near the basket. Right now all hands are needed.
Let's see what today brings.
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Post by sader1970 on Jan 17, 2021 11:32:34 GMT -5
NAD, your avatar is so apt. Love your positive spin.
I don't have the expertise that so many others have on this board. Showcasing my ignorance, to me, it appears less a talent level than an experience level and jury still out for me on Nelson's game coaching.
We bemoaned the "diving defense" on open 3s under Carmody (having "caught" Matt Husek on more than one occasion when I had courtside seats) that we thought was going to be solved with a new coach and quicker/better/athletic players). Yet, we saw that yesterday time after time. I'll leave it to the experts what percentage a good 3 point shooter makes when a shot is uncontested. It certainly isn't 100% even in practice. Ryan Wade seems to have a good 3 point stroke - normally. Yesterday, we missed not only contested 3s but open 3s. Colgate made their 3s. At one point believe we were 0 for 8. That'll put any team in a hole. Yesterday 3 points stats: HC 2/18 (11.1% !!!), 'gate: 14/29 (48.3% !!!). Free throws: HC 7/13 53.8%, 'gate 9/14 64.3%. There was a 36 point differential in 3 point scoring. Ouch!
Gates, by himself, isn't going to win games without a supporting cast. AB was essentially shut down. Matt had a very decent game, perhaps the only one who did. Martindale's performance has been, somewhat predictably for a freshman, highly variable. If 'gate shuts down one player, the other 4 on the floor have to make them pay. Yesterday, they consistently shut down 4 players. A prescription for a loss.
Let's see what today brings. I'll be shocked if we don't play better if for no other reason than the guys have to be embarrassed about yesterday's lack of performance.
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