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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jan 26, 2021 14:04:03 GMT -5
Appropriate that Fordham gets the carousel moving --
Wonder who they will look to go after. My guess would be Jared Grasso, but I can't imagine he would jump at a career-killing job.
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Post by purplehaze on Jan 26, 2021 14:23:58 GMT -5
Certainly overdue - they are dead last in D.1 scoring with a total of 399 points in 8 games, just under 50 pts/game Afraid the school is still not ready to change leagues so nothing will change in the near future
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Post by bison137 on Jan 26, 2021 14:29:38 GMT -5
The Fordham job has to be one of the least attractive ones in D1 basketball.
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Post by hc17 on Jan 26, 2021 14:34:57 GMT -5
The track record has been poor and would love them to return to the PL. Perhaps a little bit of hope for their fanbase...
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Post by longsuffering on Jan 26, 2021 15:42:14 GMT -5
An eleven team PL with Fordham could make for interesting divisions. BU, HC, Colgate, Fordham and Army in the north?
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Post by rgs318 on Jan 26, 2021 15:48:30 GMT -5
No reason why a good coach can't make large improvements. True, but time is also needed. Some seem to expect that to happen overnight.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jan 26, 2021 15:59:09 GMT -5
No reason why a good coach can't make large improvements. True, but tine is also needed. Some seem to expect that to happen overnight. Neubauer (5+ seasons), Pecora (5 seasons), Whittenburg (7 seasons), and Hill (4 seasons) can't say they weren't given enough time to figure things out.
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Post by bison137 on Jan 26, 2021 16:06:11 GMT -5
True, but tine is also needed. Some seem to expect that to happen overnight. Neubauer (5+ seasons), Pecora (5 seasons), Whittenburg (7 seasons), and Hill (4 seasons) can't say they weren't given enough time to figure things out. And they all came in with the reputation of being good coaches.
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Post by timholycross on Jan 26, 2021 16:10:01 GMT -5
No reason why a good coach can't make large improvements. Every single Patriot League team plays in a better facility than Rose Hill
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Post by nhteamer on Jan 26, 2021 16:15:39 GMT -5
ehhhhh, except for Bucknell and HC, the Rose Hill gym is a great watch!
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jan 26, 2021 16:17:16 GMT -5
Fordham has set an unassailable record for stubbornness for its quarter century of futility in the A-10.
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Post by bison137 on Jan 26, 2021 16:44:15 GMT -5
ehhhhh, except for Bucknell and HC, the Rose Hill gym is a great watch! Navy is far better.
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Post by rgs318 on Jan 26, 2021 17:22:13 GMT -5
True, but tine is also needed. Some seem to expect that to happen overnight. Neubauer (5+ seasons), Pecora (5 seasons), Whittenburg (7 seasons), and Hill (4 seasons) can't say they weren't given enough time to figure things out. True, but critics are already going after CBN in less than 2 seasons. That was on my mind when I posted.
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Post by HC92 on Jan 26, 2021 17:44:37 GMT -5
No reason why a good coach can't make large improvements. Every single Patriot League team plays in a better facility than Rose Hill Disagree. Rose Hill is an awesome place. I’m old enough to remember what it was like when they were pretty good a long time ago. Great atmosphere.
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Post by ericobeyyourthirst on Jan 26, 2021 17:55:23 GMT -5
Neubauer (5+ seasons), Pecora (5 seasons), Whittenburg (7 seasons), and Hill (4 seasons) can't say they weren't given enough time to figure things out. True, but critics are already going after CBN in less than 2 seasons. That was on my mind when I posted. Critics went after Kearney, Brown, and Carmody....were they wrong?
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Post by rgs318 on Jan 26, 2021 18:06:33 GMT -5
I thought you knew that Kearney, Brown, and Carmody are not coaching at HC. Want the past? RW and GB were criticized early on and Ralph was fired at Pitt. Were those critics right back then, or are we glad to have had them as HC coaches? But, if immediate success is the case, start building up criticisms now for the next coach. It will save time.
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Post by ericobeyyourthirst on Jan 26, 2021 18:41:21 GMT -5
I thought you knew that Kearney, Brown, and Carmody are not coaching at HC. Want the past? RW and GB were criticized early on and Ralph was fired at Pitt. Were those critics right back then, or are we glad to have had them as HC coaches? But, if immediate success is the case, start building up criticisms now for the next coach. It will save time. Ralph was doing quite well in year 2 FWIW.
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Post by rgs318 on Jan 26, 2021 18:44:40 GMT -5
The critics were still there in that season (I assume you mean AFTER he completed the second year)..and some remained for years criticizing his offensive strategy. Were they wrong?
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Post by ericobeyyourthirst on Jan 26, 2021 18:52:20 GMT -5
The critics were still there in that season (I assume you mean AFTER he completed the second year)..and some remained for years criticizing his offensive strategy. Were they wrong? Yes - look you can defend the program all you want, there just isn’t much of a program left to be proud about. We have had two winning seasons since 2009, keep trying to drive away some of the few remaining fans who care about the program.
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Post by rgs318 on Jan 26, 2021 19:21:06 GMT -5
Trying to drive away fans? Who is trying to do that? You? Is that why you seem to only criticize? That might explain a lot. IMHO, CBN may not be the man for the job but to call for him to be "evaluated" (as some have done - as if that were not constantly happening) is far too early. I believe we will see major improvement by next year and have already seem players and the team improving this season. If you feel differently that is your right. But please don't try to say the current coach should be let go (1) because other coaches did not do well or (2) the win loss record in the midst of a major rebuild is not what might be hoped.
Why not give CBN two seasons (as every coach has had, except for CSK) and then look at won/loss record.
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Post by ericobeyyourthirst on Jan 26, 2021 20:06:38 GMT -5
Trying to drive away fans? Who is trying to do that? You? Is that why you seem to only criticize? That might explain a lot. IMHO, CBN may not be the man for the job but to call for him to be "evaluated" (as some have done - as if that were not constantly happening) is far too early. I believe we will see major improvement by next year and have already seem players and the team improving this season. If you feel differently that is your right. But please don't try to say the current coach should be let go (1) because other coaches did not do well or (2) the win loss record in the midst of a major rebuild is not what might be hoped. Why not give CBN two seasons (as every coach has had, except for CSK) and gtghem look at won/loss record. Where have I asked for the coach to be let go? I think building around gates, RJ, and Bo has a potentially bright future and I’m optimistic about the recruiting class coming in. That doesn’t mean that the coach can’t be scrutinized for the 40 games as head coach. Also, when is evaluation ever a bad thing? Maybe bringing in a veteran assistant would go a long way to assist Nelson’s weaknesses? It’s worth the discussion....
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Post by longsuffering on Jan 26, 2021 20:08:30 GMT -5
People don't like to discourse like little Lord Fauntleroy. Some of the best "critical" comments are funny as heck.
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Post by dadominate on Jan 26, 2021 20:18:27 GMT -5
i don't recall anyone here - or anywhere else - being critical of rw early in his tenure at hc. his first game as coach at hc was a win at providence and the rest of the season was understandably decimated by injuries. he took us to the ncaa tournament in his second year.
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Post by purplehaze on Jan 26, 2021 20:41:00 GMT -5
Back to the topic here, Jared Grasso, HC at Bryant being mentioned as someone Fordham is interested in. Another name is Luke Murray (son of Bill) who is an asst at Louisville
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Jan 26, 2021 21:02:01 GMT -5
Grasso ain't jumping from the best squad in the NEC to the worst in A10.
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