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Post by hchoops on Feb 1, 2021 12:06:13 GMT -5
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Post by hchoops on Feb 1, 2021 12:07:24 GMT -5
Pretty funny
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Post by WCHC Sports on Feb 1, 2021 13:00:23 GMT -5
He actually won three World Series titles. One of the most overrated players in any sport in my lifetime.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Feb 1, 2021 13:17:39 GMT -5
I think what you meant to say was that Pedroia was arguably the best second baseman in franchise history, and one of the top twenty or so to ever play the position.
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Post by WCHC Sports on Feb 1, 2021 13:29:10 GMT -5
Don't care where he ranks in Red Sox history, kind of like hanging a banner for winning the division. HoF isn't for best player in a franchise history, although it can denote where a player ranked in the league and history overall.
No doubt, he was good. But 2B is notably, historically, a weak-- if not the weakest-- position for offense on the field outside of pitcher. There are guys ahead of him on that list that aren't HoFers-- Willie Randolph some say should be in, or Utley who I don't believe is eligible yet and is both subjectively and objectively a better player. Ian Kinsler isn't a hall of famer.
I always loved this tool on Baseball Reference... for players most-similar to a particular player. Here's what they have for Pedroia:
Similar Batters
Howie Kendrick (898.9)
Jose Vidro (878.3)
Joe Mauer (875.3)
Edgardo Alfonzo (875.2)
Daniel Murphy (874.5)
Travis Jackson (873.6) *
Carlos Baerga (873.3)
Jeff Cirillo (870.9)
Asdrubal Cabrera (869.3)
Jose Altuve (868.6)
Only one hall of famer (Jackson, played in the 20s and 30s), and maybe Altuve makes it some day... and that's it? I think that justifies my point.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Feb 1, 2021 13:37:25 GMT -5
He actually won three World Series titles. One of the most overrated players in any sport in my lifetime. I think you ended up on the wrong thread -- this one is about Dustin Pedroia The Derek Jeter thread is that way --> |
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Feb 1, 2021 13:55:25 GMT -5
I'm not making the case yet for Pedroia but bear in mind that that invaluable "similar batters" feature does not cover defense.
On the list above, Joe Mauer should get plenty of support for HOF
Travis Jackson was a good player but not worthy of the Hall in my opinion. In the regular voting for the Hall he maxed out at 7% in his 9th year on the ballot
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Post by alum on Feb 1, 2021 13:59:01 GMT -5
I enjoyed him on my favorite team for a long time, but I moved on years ago. He's just been in the way for the past four seasons. Thanks for the memories--2007 to 2013 were a lot of fun.
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Post by hchoops on Feb 1, 2021 14:17:02 GMT -5
Wasn’t Pedroia hurt for most of that time ?
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Post by WorcesterGray on Feb 1, 2021 14:34:38 GMT -5
Injuries limited him to 350 PA in 2010. Otherwise during that period, he averaged over 680 PA.
Pedroia's in the Hall of Very Good, imho. Grich, Whitaker, and (maybe) Utley are more HoF worthy.
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Post by WCHC Sports on Feb 1, 2021 14:47:57 GMT -5
He actually won three World Series titles. One of the most overrated players in any sport in my lifetime. I think you ended up on the wrong thread -- this one is about Dustin Pedroia The Derek Jeter thread is that way --> I just hit the under for number of posts before Jeter was mentioned, so I thank you on the way to the cashier's window.
I want to keep some levity here as a Yankee fan, because obviously a SAWX fan can't appreciate what he did. But Jeter even is his prime faced anti-Yankee/anti-Jeter national sentiment (never won MVP, crime). I would argue he was better with the bat than Pedroia, did it longer, played a premium position, and won more championships. Maybe he's slightly overrated? Maybe he's properly rated. To me, Pedroia is squarely overrated. |
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Post by timholycross on Feb 1, 2021 14:50:22 GMT -5
I don't have him in my Hall of Fame, didn't play at a high level long enough, due to injury. But there was nothing overrated about his good years, nothing at all.
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Post by timholycross on Feb 1, 2021 14:51:32 GMT -5
I think you ended up on the wrong thread -- this one is about Dustin Pedroia The Derek Jeter thread is that way --> I just hit the under for number of posts before Jeter was mentioned, so I thank you on the way to the cashier's window.
I want to keep some levity here as a Yankee fan, because obviously a SAWX fan can't appreciate what he did. But Jeter even is his prime faced anti-Yankee/anti-Jeter national sentiment (never won MVP, crime). I would argue he was better with the bat than Pedroia, did it longer, played a premium position, and won more championships. Maybe he's slightly overrated? Maybe he's properly rated. To me, Pedroia is squarely overrated. I don't have him in my Hall of Fame, didn't play at a high level long enough, due to injury. But there was nothing overrated about his good years, nothing at all. By the way, F-you Manny Machado. Could watch you flail away to end the 2018 World Series any time. |
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Post by bfoley82 on Feb 1, 2021 15:12:28 GMT -5
He actually won three World Series titles. One of the most overrated players in any sport in my lifetime. I agree with this... |
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Post by alum on Feb 1, 2021 15:24:14 GMT -5
He did make a great play to potentially save this game until Saltalamacchia thew the ball away.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Feb 1, 2021 16:26:23 GMT -5
for all intents & purposes Pedroia has been retired since 2017.
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Post by Tom on Feb 1, 2021 19:21:55 GMT -5
I think you ended up on the wrong thread -- this one is about Dustin Pedroia The Derek Jeter thread is that way --> Jeter even is his prime faced anti-Yankee/anti-Jeter national sentiment (never won MVP, crime).
Which year should Jeter have won? |
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Post by Tom on Feb 1, 2021 19:24:47 GMT -5
You have to admire a guy like Pedey who is too small to play professional ball, but somehow did it well enough to win an MVP
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Feb 1, 2021 20:25:53 GMT -5
Here's my Pedroia story. My nephew Mike worked for the Portland Sea Dogs a couple of summers- I think he swept off the bases between innings and did other in-game maintenance. He and his buddy are out working in the infield and a ball rolls up and Mike snaps a nice throw back to one of the players. I'll paraphrase the ensuing dialogue. His buddy says something like "Nice throw, Mike, maybe you'll get called up by the Red Sox". Mike responds "Yeah, I'm just what the Red Sox are looking for, a 5 foot 9 inch infielder". One of the players hears this and says: "Well, as a matter of fact, I hope that's exactly what they are looking for". It was Dustin Pedroia...
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Post by bfoley82 on Feb 1, 2021 22:57:29 GMT -5
You have to admire a guy like Pedey who is too small to play professional ball, but somehow did it well enough to win an MVP Jose Altuve is two inches shorter and won the MVP in 2017 |
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Post by WCHC Sports on Feb 2, 2021 8:13:29 GMT -5
Jeter even is his prime faced anti-Yankee/anti-Jeter national sentiment (never won MVP, crime).
Which year should Jeter have won? 2006 for sure, and mayyyyyyybe 1999-- but Pudge had a monster 1999 and played behind the dish, and Pedro probably deserved it more anyway. |
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Post by Tom on Feb 2, 2021 8:31:39 GMT -5
You have to admire a guy like Pedey who is too small to play professional ball, but somehow did it well enough to win an MVP Jose Altuve is two inches shorter and won the MVP in 2017 Gotta admire him too |
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Post by Tom on Feb 2, 2021 9:02:38 GMT -5
Which year should Jeter have won? 2006 for sure, and mayyyyyyybe 1999-- but Pudge had a monster 1999 and played behind the dish, and Pedro probably deserved it more anyway. East coast bias. You can make an argument for Jeter and he did have a big year. But so did Moreno. Sometimes it's tough to win MVP on a team of all stars. Where would the Yankees have been that year without Jeter? Arod, Giambi, and Posada also knocked in 90 + runs. A-Rod and Damon also scored 100+ runs. Would Jeter have been a reasonable MVP in 2006? Absolutely. Was Moreno less deserving to the point Jeter was robbed? Absolutely not Both were very deserving an Moreno edged out Jeter in tight voting. There are plenty of times when I think the winner was totally undeserving, 2006 was not that year |
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Post by WCHC Sports on Feb 2, 2021 9:28:35 GMT -5
Morneau was a really great player, and I always personally lamented the concussion (was there more than one) that messed up his vision and had his health and playing abilities diminished after that. Still, I think that having a team of great players hurt Jeter's chances just as you said. Minnesota needed Morneau or they aren't a playoff team, likely. Justice was served repeatedly when the Yankees blew Minnesota out of the postseason year after year.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Feb 2, 2021 10:52:09 GMT -5
Morneau was a really great player, and I always personally lamented the concussion (was there more than one) that messed up his vision and had his health and playing abilities diminished after that. Still, I think that having a team of great players hurt Jeter's chances just as you said. Minnesota needed Morneau or they aren't a playoff team, likely. Justice was served repeatedly when the Yankees blew Minnesota out of the postseason year after year. I remember seeing Morneau play for Rochester when it played here in Louisville (looking at his records it must have been 2003 or 2004) and thinking "what is this guy doing in the minor leagues" ? |
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