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Post by alum on Feb 10, 2021 12:41:33 GMT -5
Yep, that's likely a "given" and maybe Phreek can expound on some houses HC has bought recently that will suffice at least temporarily. Oh, and don't expect me to donate more for the "campaign for Vince's new home". I looked at 32 College St. for a President's house, and it looks to be too small, and would need to be enlarged. IIRC, this was once on the National Register of Historic Place, but HC may have de-listed it. His wife is a pediatrician, so I assume she will continue her practice (northern Middlesex County). She is a graduate of Yale and Yale Medical. Perhaps there is no rush for him to move to Worcester. ________________________________________ I will remind that
"The College is an Equal Employment Opportunity Employer and complies with all Federal and Massachusetts laws concerning equal opportunity and affirmative action in the workplace."
The college cannot and does not set a pre-requisite qualification that an employee be a Catholic, a Catholic in communion with the church; a devout and practicing Catholic, etc. The college once did prohibit any one other than a Catholic from enrolling, but the U.S. government put a stop to that. The College may choose to avoid discrimination on the basis of religion but it need not do so. The Supreme Court has addressed what is referred to as the ministerial exception recently and, with the replacement of Justice Ginsberg by Dean Rougeau's former colleague, Justice Barrett, the court is now likely 8-1 on this topic. While I don't think that a Catholic grammar school should be able to discriminate on the basis of age by being able to claim the ministerial exception, I don't disagree that a college like HC can make a religious test for a president. www.scotusblog.com/2020/07/opinion-analysis-court-rules-that-catholic-elementary-school-teachers-are-ministers-cannot-sue-for-employment-discrimination/ |
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Feb 10, 2021 12:49:38 GMT -5
Please tell me that this man who is to lead a prominent Catholic college is, in fact, a practicing Catholic. If he is not it is absolutely insane Seriously, it took about 15 seconds of reading/googling to figure this out. Stop hyperventilating. hyperventilating? Really? |
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Post by Ray on Feb 10, 2021 13:06:30 GMT -5
Seriously, it took about 15 seconds of reading/googling to figure this out. Stop hyperventilating. hyperventilating? Really? You called the selection of the new president of the College "insane", within an hour of the announcement, based on a fact that you have no knowledge of one way or another. Call it what you will. |
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Post by Tom on Feb 10, 2021 13:06:41 GMT -5
Yep, that's likely a "given" and maybe Phreek can expound on some houses HC has bought recently that will suffice at least temporarily. Oh, and don't expect me to donate more for the "campaign for Vince's new home". I looked at 32 College St. for a President's house, and it looks to be too small, and would need to be enlarged. IIRC, this was once on the National Register of Historic Place, but HC may have de-listed it. His wife is a pediatrician, so I assume she will continue her practice (northern Middlesex County). She is a graduate of Yale and Yale Medical. Perhaps there is no rush for him to move to Worcester. ________________________________________ I will remind that "The College is an Equal Employment Opportunity Employer and complies with all Federal and Massachusetts laws concerning equal opportunity and affirmative action in the workplace." The college cannot and does not set a pre-requisite qualification that an employee be a Catholic, a Catholic in communion with the church; a devout and practicing Catholic, etc. The college once did prohibit any one other than a Catholic from enrolling, but the U.S. government put a stop to that. Between wife and kids, there's no guarantee that he will ever move to Worcester. I don't think there's a requirement that he live within walking distance to the school. If the family does move closer to the school, it still might not be within the city limits. I have to believe that Mr and Dr Rougeau will be having a conversation about their tolerance for commuting. |
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Post by JRGNYR on Feb 10, 2021 13:07:00 GMT -5
One would think Mr. Rougeau subscribes to the mission, vision and values of the College, otherwise he wouldn't have been attracted to the job. Likewise, the Board wouldn't have interest in him if they thought his own mission, vision and values didn't align with those of the College.
Maybe it's the lens through which I'm looking at this, but in my opinion if he succeeds in expanding the Holy Cross brand in ways that sustains HC's growth as an institution of higher learning for the next 50 years, and perhaps thaws the ever-present push/pull that exists between academics and athletics (and, hopefully, gets everybody on the same page that you can achieve honest to goodness athletic success without selling your soul), then he will have hit a home run and I couldn't possibly care any less what faith he subscribes to.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Feb 10, 2021 13:13:29 GMT -5
alum, but the college chose not to do so. It would appear that Dean Rongeau meets those two criteria. ______________ Fr. Martin approves. |
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Post by CHC8485 on Feb 10, 2021 13:14:17 GMT -5
________________________________________ I will remind that "The College is an Equal Employment Opportunity Employer and complies with all Federal and Massachusetts laws concerning equal opportunity and affirmative action in the workplace." The college cannot and does not set a pre-requisite qualification that an employee be a Catholic, a Catholic in communion with the church; a devout and practicing Catholic, etc. The college once did prohibit any one other than a Catholic from enrolling, but the U.S. government put a stop to that. I'm not sure when the gov't. may forced that changed, but my dad, Class of 1950, used to speak of at least a couple of Jewish guys at Holy Cross back in his day so non-Catholics were not completely prohibited from enrolling at least shortly after WW II. |
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Post by td128 on Feb 10, 2021 13:20:36 GMT -5
I have placed an order for our new president's book, Christians in the American Empire, published in 2008. www.amazon.com/Christians-American-Empire-Faith-Citizenship/dp/0195188098/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=Christians+in+the+American+Empire&qid=1612981016&sr=8-1What does it mean to be a Christian citizen of the United States today? This book challenges the argument that the United States is a Christian nation, and that the American founding and the American Constitution can be linked to a Christian understanding of the state and society. Vincent Rougeau argues that the United States has become an economic empire of consumer citizens, led by elites who seek to secure American political and economic dominance around the world. Freedom and democracy for the oppressed are the public themes put forward to justify this dominance, but the driving force behind American hegemony is the need to sustain economic growth and maintain social peace in the United States.
This state of affairs raises important questions for Christians. In recent times, religious voices in American politics have taken on a moralistic stridency. Individual issues like abortion and same-sex marriage have been used to "guilt" many Christians into voting Republican or to discourage them from voting at all. Using Catholic social teaching as a point of departure, Rougeau argues that conservative American politics is driven by views of the individual and the state that are inconsistent with mainstream Catholic social thought. Without thinking more broadly about their religious traditions and how those traditions should inform their engagement with the modern world, it is unwise for Christians to think that pressing single issues is an appropriate way to actualize their faith commitments in the public realm.
Rougeau offers concerned Christians new tools for a critical assessment of legal, political and social questions. He proceeds from the fundamental Christian premise of the God-given dignity of the human person, a dignity that can only be realized fully in community with others. This means that the Christian cannot simply focus on individual empowerment as 'freedom' but must also seek to nurture community participation and solidarity for all citizens. Rougeau demonstrates what happens when these ideas are applied to a variety of specific contemporary issues involving the family, economics, and race. He concludes by offering a new model of public engagement for Christians in the American Empire. |
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Feb 10, 2021 13:20:45 GMT -5
________________________________________ I will remind that "The College is an Equal Employment Opportunity Employer and complies with all Federal and Massachusetts laws concerning equal opportunity and affirmative action in the workplace." The college cannot and does not set a pre-requisite qualification that an employee be a Catholic, a Catholic in communion with the church; a devout and practicing Catholic, etc. The college once did prohibit any one other than a Catholic from enrolling, but the U.S. government put a stop to that. I'm not sure when the gov't. may forced that changed, but my dad, Class of 1950, used to speak of at least a couple of Jewish guys at Holy Cross back in his day.so non-Catholics were not completely prohibited from enrolling at least shortly after WW II. IIRC, Father K. in his history of the college said that HC was compelled to abandon its Catholics-only policy because the government would not establish a ROTC (or its equivalent back then) at the college if such a policy remained. And again IIRC, it was the government by then sending thousands of officer candidates to the college during WWII that allowed the college to survive, financially. |
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Post by Crucis#1 on Feb 10, 2021 13:48:36 GMT -5
Always sadly disappointing how there are people that jump to conclusions and show their bias without having engaged in an objective and empirical analysis regarding a person’s qualifications. According to the article announcing the appointment in the Worcester Telegram “ Rougeau is an authority in Catholic social thought”. www.telegram.com/story/news/education/campus/2021/02/10/vincent-rougeau-dean-bc-law-succeed-rev-boroughs-president-holy-cross/4467090001/Being graduates of HC, I would expect that future President Rougeau would be welcomed enthusiastically. His qualifications CV are outstanding. A graduate of Brown ‘85 and Harvard JD ‘88. In private practice in Washington DC before being appointed as a faculty member at Notre Dame Law School and Dean of the Law School at BC. I am puzzled and downright embarrassed at the reaction that some have stated on this board regarding the selection. Maybe I should not be surprised as I have witnessed many instances and comments of a narrow and biased perspective. This morning, I had a discussion with a friend, who is a faculty member at BC Law. He has known and worked closely with Dean Rougeau. He is absolutely thrilled with the appointment. His only disappointment was that he will be losing a valued colleague and outstanding leader that he has a high regard and great respect. My hope that as President, Mr. Rougeau, will now be able to open avenues to Holy Cross, that preciously been blocked due to the narrow view and bigoted view against an outstanding institution, because of our religious affiliation. I am looking with great expectations that our new President will be able to elevate the Holy Cross profile, be a strong advocate for the intellectual rigor that is ingrained in the Holy Cross education and provide to academe why Holy Cross should be recognized as one of the top ten Liberal Arts Colleges in the United States. Be positive....Not negative. |
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Post by hcpride on Feb 10, 2021 14:19:05 GMT -5
Certainly a reasonable hire. A dean from a prestigious Catholic University is along the lines of what I was thinking. I really thought we'd go female (if I can still use that word) but I can't say this choice is a shocker
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Post by newfieguy74 on Feb 10, 2021 14:26:59 GMT -5
This is not a "reasonable" hire, it is a spectacular hire.
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Post by rgs318 on Feb 10, 2021 14:30:19 GMT -5
On many levels I am pleased with this announcement. As good as Holy Cross is (and I do believe it is very good) it can be better still. I look forward to seeing the changes that President Rougeau will bring. These are exciting times and may soon be even more exciting.
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Post by CHC8485 on Feb 10, 2021 14:31:22 GMT -5
I'm not sure when the gov't. may forced that changed, but my dad, Class of 1950, used to speak of at least a couple of Jewish guys at Holy Cross back in his day.so non-Catholics were not completely prohibited from enrolling at least shortly after WW II. IIRC, Father K. in his history of the college said that HC was compelled to abandon its Catholics-only policy because the government would not establish a ROTC (or its equivalent back then) at the college if such a policy remained. And again IIRC, it was the government by then sending thousands of officer candidates to the college during WWII that allowed the college to survive, financially. OK. If it was the establishment of the V12 program in 194that changed the policy, that would have been 3 years before my dad enrolled which would explain his experience. |
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Post by JRGNYR on Feb 10, 2021 14:33:22 GMT -5
From www.bc.edu/content/bc-web/bcnews/campus-community/announcements/vince-rougeau-named-holy-cross-president.html. "Although I am taking on a new role at a new institution, I am not going very far away and I will be leading a college that shares the same Jesuit heritage that guides and animates us at BC Law: formative education of the whole person, a commitment to ethical and personal discernment, and passion for service to others, particularly those least fortunate.” Emphasis mine. He's pretty much summed up Holy Cross in this statement, has he not? |
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Post by CHC8485 on Feb 10, 2021 14:40:07 GMT -5
BTW - Congratulations and welcome Vince. I wish you much success in leading Holy Cross. AMDG.
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Post by newfieguy74 on Feb 10, 2021 15:23:24 GMT -5
On many levels I am pleased with this announcement. As good as Holy Cross is (and I do believe it is very good) it can be better still. I look forward to seeing the changes that President Rougeau will bring. These are exciting times and may soon be even more exciting. We all love HC, but like every other institution it needs to evolve and work towards becoming even better (the idea of the "magis" if you will). Some (many?) people think of HC as: academically rigorous, white, uptight, preppy, parochial. How do I know this: because I have been told this and because I have read this. This hire to me signals HC entering a new era, where it can expand it's reach without losing its essential identity. |
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Post by HC92 on Feb 10, 2021 15:32:45 GMT -5
Definitely optimistic about our new President. As with all personnel decisions, time will tell. I’m particularly encouraged by the firsthand report Crucis got from someone who works with him every day.
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Post by rgs318 on Feb 10, 2021 16:06:23 GMT -5
We all love HC, but like every other institution it needs to evolve and work towards becoming even better (the idea of the "magis" if you will). Some (many?) people think of HC as: academically rigorous, white, uptight, preppy, parochial. How do I know this: because I have been told this and because I have read this. This hire to me signals HC entering a new era, where it can expand it's reach without losing its essential identity. I remember someone telling me they were not surprised I went to HC, since it is "wall to wall Irish." I asked about it and what I heard is pretty much what you said in this post. I see great potential with this hire and look forward to seeing potential being put into action. |
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Post by rickii on Feb 10, 2021 16:12:36 GMT -5
Loading up on BC guys....
Hope this enhances more sports dates with dem eagles.
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Post by cruskater31 on Feb 10, 2021 16:21:21 GMT -5
Curious to see his athletic background and how as a law school dean he can balance admissions and athletics. I look forward to reading his writing on Catholic social teaching, something that was a hot button issue among religious studies majors even when I was a student. Our faculty did a fine job of laying out the teaching of the church but providing an opportunity for discussion.
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Post by sader1970 on Feb 10, 2021 16:26:22 GMT -5
To put minds at ease, I asked Rick Patterson, BoT chair, if the incoming president is a practicing Catholic.
His response:
"He absolutely is XXX. And he is a serious Catholic scholar. Fr. Joe O'Keefe's strong endorsement is very real."
With that, I am willing to overlook his Boston College connection flaw and again, heartily welcome him and his family to Mt. St. James. I believe he will bring strong and new perspectives to the office of the president.
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Post by flutiewasrejected on Feb 10, 2021 18:05:28 GMT -5
Love of alma mater, but reading his bio made me think: "wow, this guy is overqualified". Psyched!
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Post by Crucis#1 on Feb 10, 2021 18:22:09 GMT -5
The most important attribute is being a compassionate, empathetic, spiritual, moral, ethical and unbiased person.
Unfortunately I have been exposed to some that are defined as “practicing” Catholics who were morally bankrupt in their treatment of their fellow human beings. Absolutely dastardly, duplicitous, cruel, and wicked creatures who sit in a pew on Sunday, then go into the office on Monday and fire a number of employees without compassion during the week before Thanksgiving or Christmas. Hypocrisy to Christian values that so many proclaim.
Tribalism at its worst is that “everyone” must be like me. I would surmise, each of us have different litmus tests for evaluation.
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Post by Chu Chu on Feb 10, 2021 18:45:27 GMT -5
It looks like we hit it out of the park with this selection, IMO! This West Coast Crusader and Purple Knight is mighty pleased. He will need to learn how to chant, "Beat BC"!
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