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Post by bfoley82 on Feb 11, 2021 21:39:38 GMT -5
So, who else is old enough to have watched "Yankee Doodle Dandy" starring the late, great Jimmy Cagney starring as George M. Cohan, a native born Ocean Stater (Providence)? In NY, on WOR channel 9, they had a daily series "Million Dollar Movie" (which was a lot of money in those days). I must have watched "Yankee Doodle Dandy" at least 15 times. From Wiki: I did not realize Cagney won an Oscar for his Cohan role. I watched it in my Film History course in College.
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Post by clmetsfan on Feb 12, 2021 10:00:23 GMT -5
Can anyone answer why only sporting events play Anthem? Is it played before Broadway Shows? Just wondering Hell, it's not even played before concerts, i.e. when people are actually there to hear music. Live sports are literally the only event where it's become a compulsory component, and as WCHC pointed out, it's basically become forced patriotism. Stand and show respect or you're a bad American, even if you have a legitimate reason to decline to participate. Meanwhile, the broadcasts don't air it (unless it's a big game) so it's only done for the people in attendance, and many of them are off in the bathroom, at the concession stand, talking to their friends, etc. So who exactly is it for? There's a lot of hypocrisy among people who bemoan athletes expressing their political opinions ("Shut up and dribble"), yet fail to acknowledge that playing the anthem and expecting everyone to participate is an overtly political act. I love Cuban's idea. Maybe if it stops becoming a boilerplate component of an event, it'll be more meaningful when it actually does get played.
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Post by Tom on Feb 12, 2021 10:20:04 GMT -5
It is too bad it has all come to this. The national anthem before a game was a chance for us to leave all our differences aside, stand together in unity, and after have a couple of hours of a politics free environment. It was a way to decompress and let the air out of the balloon of a politically charged environment. Now, even sports is politicized. There are fewer outlets for the public to come together and enjoy each other. Another reason to be at each other’s throat. The balloon will soon burst. Tryin to take the anthem away before games will cause even more resentment. Why people think it’s a good idea to end this tradition is beyond me. 1. Some people wonder why it even makes sense to play it before sporting events. It's not played when you go to the movies, or before a golf match, etc. 2. There is a reference in the never sung second stanza that references slaves that unsettles people. 3. For many black people the song represents the institutional and systemic racism that they deal with every day. Hence many athletes kneeling during its playing. Many black people consider Lift Every Voice and Sing the Black National Anthem and would like to make it the anthem for everyone. Minor nitpick, but it is the 3rd stanza I have heard the second stanza sung, but only at graduations (another place where the national anthem is sung). Never heard the 3rd sang in my life. I recognize that I am harder to offend than most people, but I don't get wound up by words that are literally never spoken.
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Post by Tom on Feb 12, 2021 10:22:06 GMT -5
Can anyone answer why only sporting events play Anthem? Is it played before Broadway Shows? Just wondering Hell, it's not even played before concerts, i.e. when people are actually there to hear music. Huey Lewis and the News opened with it during the Sports tour. At least in Providence
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Post by WorcesterGray on Feb 12, 2021 10:25:24 GMT -5
Will HC soon be playing the Irish National Anthem before WBB games? In recent years, the office charged with overseeing international student affairs has made a point of honoring international senior athletes by playing their national anthems on Senior Day. The Swiss national anthem was played for Clayton Le Sann and his parents last year. Ditto, the Canadian anthem for men's hockey players and parents (btw, not routinely done during the regular season until very recently). Believe this has also been done for soccer and field hockey participants, too. The student-athletes and their families do appreciate the gesture.
If past is prologue, you can bet the Irish anthem will be played for B P-C when the time comes.
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Post by Tom on Feb 12, 2021 10:26:28 GMT -5
The increasing politicization of sports makes me much less interested in them than I once was. I am definitely not alone. In my opinion, the whole Kapernick thing could have been handled differently by Roger Goodell and the NFL in a way that respected the flag and all that it means to so many while also supporting the players in a strong and tangible way to help them bring light to the social justice issues that impact them and maybe actually try to improve them. Instead, everything has to be a fight, no one listens to anyone else and the country is in much worse shape for it. Doesn’t appear to be getting any better and we have no one in leadership on either side who appears willing to actually lead in a constructive way. Imagine if all the hundreds of thousands of hours that have been spent on social media arguing about kneeling for the anthem at sporting events or whether we should play the anthem at sporting events had instead been spent volunteering in our communities and making real people’s lives better. Crazy, I know, At the Red Sox home opener, the entire Orioles team knelt together during a moment of silence for African Americans who were killed by the police. Then the entire team stood for the national anthem. I was impressed by the way they handled it
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Post by rgs318 on Feb 12, 2021 10:31:54 GMT -5
Will HC soon be playing the Irish National Anthem before WBB games? In recent years, the office charged with overseeing international student affairs has made a point of honoring international senior athletes by playing their national anthems on Senior Day. The Swiss national anthem was played for Clayton Le Sann and his parents last year. Ditto, the Canadian anthem for men's hockey players and parents (btw, not routinely done during the regular season until very recently). Believe this has also been done for soccer and field hockey participants, too The student-athletes and their families do appreciate the gesture.
If past is prologue, you can bet the Irish anthem will be played for B P-C when the time comes. I like that...do it but don't overdue it! Well done, HC.
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Post by Tom on Feb 12, 2021 10:37:41 GMT -5
Will HC soon be playing the Irish National Anthem before WBB games? In recent years, the office charged with overseeing international student affairs has made a point of honoring international senior athletes by playing their national anthems on Senior Day. The Swiss national anthem was played for Clayton Le Sann and his parents last year. Ditto, the Canadian anthem for men's hockey players and parents. The student-athletes and their families do appreciate the gesture.
If past is prologue, you can bet the Irish anthem will be played for B P-C when the time comes. A couple of times during the 80's, the men's basketball team played the Irish National team in a pre-season exhibition. The Irish national anthem was not played. I have no reason or logic for retaining that useless piece of information. Totally off topic, recent hoops grad Kevin Greaney was on the Irish team back then
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Post by Wormtown Railers Fan on Feb 12, 2021 11:27:50 GMT -5
Can anyone answer why only sporting events play Anthem? Is it played before Broadway Shows? Just wondering Hell, it's not even played before concerts, i.e. when people are actually there to hear music. Live sports are literally the only event where it's become a compulsory component, and as WCHC pointed out, it's basically become forced patriotism. Stand and show respect or you're a bad American, even if you have a legitimate reason to decline to participate. Meanwhile, the broadcasts don't air it (unless it's a big game) so it's only done for the people in attendance, and many of them are off in the bathroom, at the concession stand, talking to their friends, etc. So who exactly is it for? There's a lot of hypocrisy among people who bemoan athletes expressing their political opinions ("Shut up and dribble"), yet fail to acknowledge that playing the anthem and expecting everyone to participate is an overtly political act. I love Cuban's idea. Maybe if it stops becoming a boilerplate component of an event, it'll be more meaningful when it actually does get played. There is no hypocrisy in my part when I express my opinion on the national anthem. I also don’t believe people should shut up and dribble. When my father taught me to take off my hat, stand up straight, put my hand over my heart and remain quiet during the national anthem that meant something to me. There is nothing wrong if I want others to do the same. Respect is a two way street.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Feb 12, 2021 11:58:11 GMT -5
Singing the national anthem or listening quietly, demonstrates pride and respect for one's country. Do you remember when just about every American was proud to be one?
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Post by rgs318 on Feb 12, 2021 12:04:20 GMT -5
Yes. It is not that long ago (well, in my lifetime anyway).
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Post by Crucis#1 on Feb 12, 2021 12:09:47 GMT -5
I prefer the Jimi Hendrix version to be played at games in the Hart.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Feb 12, 2021 13:56:47 GMT -5
I'd prefer Robert Merrill
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Post by thecrossisback on Feb 12, 2021 14:19:45 GMT -5
Carlos Santana's guitar version at the NBA Finals.
Rene Rencourt with the fist pump's all time classic.
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Post by newfieguy74 on Feb 12, 2021 14:24:50 GMT -5
Whitney Houston.
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Post by clmetsfan on Feb 12, 2021 16:09:07 GMT -5
Hell, it's not even played before concerts, i.e. when people are actually there to hear music. Live sports are literally the only event where it's become a compulsory component, and as WCHC pointed out, it's basically become forced patriotism. Stand and show respect or you're a bad American, even if you have a legitimate reason to decline to participate. Meanwhile, the broadcasts don't air it (unless it's a big game) so it's only done for the people in attendance, and many of them are off in the bathroom, at the concession stand, talking to their friends, etc. So who exactly is it for? There's a lot of hypocrisy among people who bemoan athletes expressing their political opinions ("Shut up and dribble"), yet fail to acknowledge that playing the anthem and expecting everyone to participate is an overtly political act. I love Cuban's idea. Maybe if it stops becoming a boilerplate component of an event, it'll be more meaningful when it actually does get played. There is no hypocrisy in my part when I express my opinion on the national anthem. I also don’t believe people should shut up and dribble. When my father taught me to take off my hat, stand up straight, put my hand over my heart and remain quiet during the national anthem that meant something to me. There is nothing wrong if I want others to do the same. Respect is a two way street. Then my comment wasn't directed at you. But you also have to understand that many of us expect more from a country that claims to offer equal justice and opportunity for all, but in reality consistently falls well short of that. Respect is indeed a two-way street, and I see nothing wrong with someone declining to salute a flag when they feel disrespected and oppressed by their own government.
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Post by rgs318 on Feb 12, 2021 18:23:03 GMT -5
Respectfully declining to salute a flag is not a problem. For reasons of faith the Jehova's Witnesses have done that for many years.
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Post by timholycross on Feb 13, 2021 10:48:58 GMT -5
I'd prefer Robert Merrill But not Ronan Tynan's. Or was it God Bless America he used to sing? In any case, it took forever for the guy to sing it. GIve me the John Kiley (late organist for the Celts, Bruins and Red Sox) version- snappy and respectful
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Post by Tom on Feb 13, 2021 11:06:29 GMT -5
I'd prefer Robert Merrill But not Ronan Tynan's. Or was it God Bless America he used to sing? In any case, it took forever for the guy to sing it. GIve me the John Kiley (late organist for the Celts, Bruins and Red Sox) version- snappy and respectful Tynan was a God Bless America guy. Great voice. He takes longer to sing it than most people because he actually starts at the beginning of the song
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Post by newfieguy74 on Feb 13, 2021 11:16:30 GMT -5
Wasn't John Kiley the answer to the question: who's the only person who played for both the Bruins and the Celtics?
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Post by Tom on Feb 13, 2021 16:28:14 GMT -5
The question was Sox, Bruins, and Celtics
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Post by longsuffering on Feb 13, 2021 22:48:30 GMT -5
The question was Sox, Bruins, and Celtics
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Feb 16, 2021 14:14:39 GMT -5
It is too bad it has all come to this. The national anthem before a game was a chance for us to leave all our differences aside, stand together in unity, and after have a couple of hours of a politics free environment. It was a way to decompress and let the air out of the balloon of a politically charged environment. Now, even sports is politicized. There are fewer outlets for the public to come together and enjoy each other. Another reason to be at each other’s throat. The balloon will soon burst. Tryin to take the anthem away before games will cause even more resentment. Why people think it’s a good idea to end this tradition is beyond me. 1. Some people wonder why it even makes sense to play it before sporting events. It's not played when you go to the movies, or before a golf match, etc. 2. There is a reference in the never sung second stanza that references slaves that unsettles people.3. For many black people the song represents the institutional and systemic racism that they deal with every day. Hence many athletes kneeling during its playing. Many black people consider Lift Every Voice and Sing the Black National Anthem and would like to make it the anthem for everyone. Maybe that's why we don't sing it? I don't understand why people would complain about the anthem when the portion of the song with an offensive reference is intentionally left out. On point #3, no one associated the anthem with oppression until Colin Kaepernick identified the anthem as his opportunity to protest systematic racism. I have no problem with that -- he had a peaceful message and that's how he choose to project it. However, prior to that I don't recall anyone specifically identifying the anthem as something that represented racism and inequality. Last time I checked, the union army representing the United States of America defeated the Confederate army, which represented a new republic that was being partially founded on continued enslavement of blacks.
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Post by rgs318 on Feb 16, 2021 14:30:55 GMT -5
Is this the "offense reference" you cite?
"And where is that band who so vauntingly swore, That the havoc of war and the battle’s confusion A home and a Country should leave us no more? Their blood has wash’d out their foul footstep’s pollution. No refuge could save the hireling and slave From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave, And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave."
What precisely does that mean? Could it also refer to "saving" hireling and slave from the need to flee or from only finding freedom in the grave?
[And a small point, Blacks were given freedom and citizenship if they took up arms to defend the confederacy and got that in the south before they received citizenship in the north.]
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Post by longsuffering on Feb 16, 2021 19:18:33 GMT -5
Is this the "offense reference" you cite? "And where is that band who so vauntingly swore, That the havoc of war and the battle’s confusion A home and a Country should leave us no more? Their blood has wash’d out their foul footstep’s pollution. No refuge could save the hireling and slave From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave, And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave." What precisely does that mean? Could it also refer to "saving" hireling and slave from the need to flee or from only finding freedom in the grave? [And a small point, Blacks were given freedom and citizenship if they took up arms to defend the confederacy and got that in the south before they received citizenship in the north.] Second, third and fourth stanzas are a crapshoot.
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