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Post by Tom on Feb 15, 2021 9:21:38 GMT -5
Not game specific so I'm starting a new thread
The commentators made some comments about the tournament format that I didn't understand so I did some checking.
The top two teams from each division get in and also the next two teams with the best record. What I did not know, is those two spots only count the division record. Right now 3-9 HC is in front of 4-6 BU because HC is 3-7 in the division and BU is 2-6 in the division.
The other thing that was mentioned as games not counting in the division. Only the first 4 games count as inside the division. The two remaining BU games and the two added Colgate games are not "divisional games"
IF HC sweeps Army this weekend AND Army does not sweep BU, HC finishes ahead of Army. Also (assuming HC sweeps Army) BU needs to win 3 of 4 between Army and Colgate to forge a tie with HC
I think this is an easier road to the playoffs than getting one of the last two spots. The four remaining games against Colgate and BU will be tough and enter into the math of those last two spots. I am assuming that American is out because of insufficient games. That leaves (as of now) BU, HC, and Lehigh going for two spots. Right now the math has HC as odd man out
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Totally off topic, I'm hoping that Wednesday's telecast has a mix of HC announcers and BU's technique of showing both halves of the game
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Post by hchoops on Feb 15, 2021 9:39:56 GMT -5
So, does this mean that the first four games vs opponents count only for the first two division spots or also for the last two overall best records ?
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Feb 15, 2021 10:03:42 GMT -5
I just think it's absolutely nuts to exclude anyone with such a crazy, uneven playing field this year for the 10 teams. Go ahead and cite safety considerations - why play it at all then.
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Post by longsuffering on Feb 15, 2021 10:06:26 GMT -5
This tournament qualifying formula was designed by a Russian bot.
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Post by longsuffering on Feb 15, 2021 10:08:02 GMT -5
I just think it's absolutely nuts to exclude anyone with such a crazy, uneven playing field this year for the 10 teams. Go ahead and cite safety considerations - why play it at all then. If you have eight players not in the Covid protocol you're in. |
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Post by Tom on Feb 15, 2021 10:29:09 GMT -5
So, does this mean that the first four games vs opponents count only for the first two division spots or also for the last two overall best records ? The first four games are "division" games and are the sole factor for the first divisional spots All conference games are counted towards the final two spots. In HC's case that would be 12 divisional games (4 against each divisional opponent) plus 6 conference games that are not divisional games ( two games vs Lehigh, and 2 non-division games each vs Colgate and BU) It is interesting to note that this set up has the top spots perfectly even and balanced within a conference (seeding is another story). The last two spots not so much. Besides being unbalanced (6 games vs Colgate) teams will have a different number of total games. It is confusing, but I like it better than the Ivy League model |
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Post by timholycross on Feb 15, 2021 10:31:28 GMT -5
I just think it's absolutely nuts to exclude anyone with such a crazy, uneven playing field this year for the 10 teams. Go ahead and cite safety considerations - why play it at all then. If you have eight players not in the Covid protocol you're in. Unless you're the Colgate women and then you can't play at home two days in a row even if your opponent has to travel to your frozen outpost just to play once. |
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Post by timholycross on Feb 15, 2021 10:34:18 GMT -5
AU qualifying or not qualifying is pretty much irrelevant to HC. If they qualify they finish second over Loyola and if Loyola somehow overtakes HC, HC's record is simply too poor to beat two other teams out.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Feb 15, 2021 12:20:03 GMT -5
I just think it's absolutely nuts to exclude anyone with such a crazy, uneven playing field this year for the 10 teams. Go ahead and cite safety considerations - why play it at all then. Dave-you have it right. How could anyone come up with such a ludicrous scheme? The only way to go is to include all teams in the playoffs and I'd even consider random seeding. Seeded or not seeded the best team should win |
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Post by HC92 on Feb 15, 2021 14:04:02 GMT -5
Would obviously love to see us make the playoffs, mostly for the sake of Austin and Matt going out with that experience. Would also be good for the younger guys to play some playoff games so they’re not getting it for the first time next year.
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Post by rgs318 on Feb 15, 2021 14:25:52 GMT -5
HC92, I agree with both your points. watching the rookies, it is amazing how good they can be some of the time but still make newbie errors in the same game. I hope on Wednesday HC:
1. make foul shots
2. avoid touch fouls
3. hit at least 50% from 3
4. don't miss bunnies
Then, whatever the result, it is a step forward.
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Post by bison137 on Feb 15, 2021 17:21:46 GMT -5
I just think it's absolutely nuts to exclude anyone with such a crazy, uneven playing field this year for the 10 teams. Go ahead and cite safety considerations - why play it at all then. Dave-you have it right. How could anyone come up with such a ludicrous scheme? The only way to go is to include all teams in the playoffs and I'd even consider random seeding. Seeded or not seeded the best team should win The reason the league will require 12 games - unless the NCAA grants a waiver - is that the NCAA is requiring 12 regular season games for a team to qualify for the NCAA tournament. Like all leagues, the PL does not want to risk a team winning the PLT and not being allowed to go to the Dance. Then the league ends up with no team in the tournament. |
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Post by DiMarz on Feb 15, 2021 19:59:17 GMT -5
Very confusing, I think I'll just wait a few weeks and see what happens...Tom, you can keep us all informed!
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Post by WCHC Sports on Feb 16, 2021 8:58:19 GMT -5
I mean, let's win more than three games before we worry about the NCAA tournament.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Feb 16, 2021 11:27:50 GMT -5
I mean, let's win more than three games before we worry about the NCAA tournament. Yeah, but winning 3 games in a shortened schedule is just like winning 6 in a regular season..... |
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Post by trimster on Feb 16, 2021 11:37:22 GMT -5
I mean, let's win more than three games before we worry about the NCAA tournament. My thoughts exactly. |
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Post by Tom on Feb 16, 2021 12:04:59 GMT -5
I mean, let's win more than three games before we worry about the NCAA tournament. I have no delusions of grandeur about this squad reaching the NCAA tournament. Going into this season, many people thought one achievable milestone of progress was to be in the modified Patriot League tournament this year. This thread is about what it takes to not be in the bottom 2 of the Patriot League |
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Post by longsuffering on Feb 16, 2021 13:05:19 GMT -5
I mean, let's win more than three games before we worry about the NCAA tournament. Two years in a row with three victories could become habit forming. |
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Post by hchoops on Feb 16, 2021 13:41:50 GMT -5
I mean, let's win more than three games before we worry about the NCAA tournament. Two years in a row with three victories could become habit forming. There are at least 6 games remaining. |
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Post by longsuffering on Feb 16, 2021 14:43:22 GMT -5
Two years in a row with three victories could become habit forming. There are at least 6 games remaining. Actually I am mildly surprised the team has only won three games so far and think coaching to win in each of the remaining games is more important than coaching to develop. Develop player skills in practice but play to win each game because that is a team skill/dynamic that has to be learned and become habitual also. Kind of like the Tampa Bay Bucs. They had talent but didn't know how to win. |
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Post by rgs318 on Feb 16, 2021 14:52:15 GMT -5
Interesting comparison. Who would be the "Brady" on this team? ...Gates, or a future transfer?
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Post by bigfan on Feb 16, 2021 15:00:10 GMT -5
In answer to rgs318 question. FUTURE TRANSFER
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Post by longsuffering on Feb 16, 2021 18:02:16 GMT -5
UNO was 19-14 and 9-21 the last two years so Gates has been part of one winning D-1 team. His effort should be inspirational to his teammates, at least.
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