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Post by DiMarz on Mar 13, 2021 18:50:48 GMT -5
Iona is dancing with Pitino
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Post by hcgrad94 on Mar 13, 2021 19:10:31 GMT -5
Iona is dancing with Pitino Dirty dancing
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Post by thecrossisback on Mar 13, 2021 20:48:50 GMT -5
We should have hired Pitino but it was too big a pill to swallow for O'Kane/Fenwick.... When you have a chance to hire a Hall of Fame coach and pass it up for somebody with no head coaching experience. The Pitino haters are now against winning basketball. They have watched to much winning the last 2 years it must be clogging their thinking. Oh wait.
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Post by hceconhist on Mar 13, 2021 21:10:41 GMT -5
We should have hired Pitino but it was too big a pill to swallow for O'Kane/Fenwick.... When you have a chance to hire a Hall of Fame coach and pass it up for somebody with no head coaching experience. The Pitino haters are now against winning basketball. They have watched to much winning the last 2 years it must be clogging their thinking. Oh wait. For me, there is no one, unambiguous "right" answer on Rick Pitino. The actions under his watch are exactly why HC declined to join the Big East. Given the issues the athletic department just endured under Bill Gibbons, I can't blame the decision makers for not wanting to take the known risk of going through that again.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Mar 13, 2021 21:21:58 GMT -5
^ what? Apples and anvils.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Mar 13, 2021 21:32:24 GMT -5
Did anyone think Pitino was going to do anything OTHER than win at Iona? Simple answer: no.
You can't make that hire when you're Holy Cross of the Patriot League. But I do believe in second chances (or third in his case), and hope he does a world of good for the student athletes that play for him in New Rochelle. Fordham of the Atlantic 10 should've taken the red pill on RP. They didn't. Their loss.
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Post by lou on Mar 13, 2021 22:08:28 GMT -5
I watched a few minutes of the game. Caleb Green was defending a big guard. The announcer said the big guard was 24 years old playing for his 4th coach. Welcome to the New MAAC
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Post by crusader1970 on Mar 13, 2021 22:14:09 GMT -5
Iona won the previous 4 MAAC tourneys without Pitino (2016-19) Led by a coach whose ethics were also somewhat suspect.
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Post by hceconhist on Mar 13, 2021 22:30:46 GMT -5
^ what? Apples and anvils. I don't think so. They were both significant ethics scandals that caused headaches, at the very least and among other costs, for the respective institutions.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Mar 13, 2021 22:39:21 GMT -5
^ you're completely clueless if ypou think they're compatible.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Mar 13, 2021 22:39:36 GMT -5
^ what? Apples and anvils. I don't think so. They were both significant ethics scandals that caused headaches, at the very least and among other costs, for the respective institutions. I don’t know if I could think of two coaches who were more opposite than Rick Pitino and Bill Gibbons. Gibbons was done in by disgruntled millennial players + coaches. There were no legitimate “ethics scandals.” What an unbelievable reach. —— But even Holy Cross Athletics has had fairly recent instances of the two charges against Pitino (infidelity & recruiting overreach***), so Crusader Nation diehards shouldn’t really be the ones lining up to cast the first stones at Pitino. ***Neither involving Gibbons***
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Post by hceconhist on Mar 13, 2021 22:56:52 GMT -5
^ you're completely clueless if ypou think they're compatible. You're misinterpreting my argument which does not rely on any similarity in the respective details. Coach Gibbons was accused of multiple ethical violations. As the Head Women's Basketball Coach, he was a public face for the College, so the accusations could significantly hurt the College's reputation. Likewise, Rick Pitino's accusations were grounded in accusations of ethical lapses, among other things. A CEO embezzling company funds and a separate CEO encouraging bribery are fundamentally different scandals but are both rooted in ethical lapses.
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Post by hceconhist on Mar 13, 2021 23:01:07 GMT -5
I don't think so. They were both significant ethics scandals that caused headaches, at the very least and among other costs, for the respective institutions. I don’t know if I could think of two coaches who were more opposite than Rick Pitino and Bill Gibbons. Gibbons was done in by disgruntled millennial players + coaches. There were no legitimate “ethics scandals.” What an unbelievable reach. —— But even Holy Cross Athletics has had fairly recent instances of the two charges against Pitino (infidelity & recruiting overreach***), so Crusader Nation diehards shouldn’t really be the ones lining up to cast the first stones at Pitino. ***Neither involving Gibbons*** Did I say the specific details of the accusations were similar?
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Mar 14, 2021 0:18:52 GMT -5
^ you're completely clueless if ypou think they're compatible. You're misinterpreting my argument which does not rely on any similarity in the respective details. Coach Gibbons was accused of multiple ethical violations. As the Head Women's Basketball Coach, he was a public face for the College, so the accusations could significantly hurt the College's reputation. Likewise, Rick Pitino's accusations were grounded in accusations of ethical lapses, among other things. A CEO embezzling company funds and a separate CEO encouraging bribery are fundamentally different scandals but are both rooted in ethical lapses. Have another. BG was torpedoed by a sanctioned coux by at least two WBB staffers who are rightfully no longer with the program.
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Post by HC92 on Mar 14, 2021 4:29:00 GMT -5
^ you're completely clueless if ypou think they're compatible. You're misinterpreting my argument which does not rely on any similarity in the respective details. Coach Gibbons was accused of multiple ethical violations. As the Head Women's Basketball Coach, he was a public face for the College, so the accusations could significantly hurt the College's reputation. Likewise, Rick Pitino's accusations were grounded in accusations of ethical lapses, among other things. A CEO embezzling company funds and a separate CEO encouraging bribery are fundamentally different scandals but are both rooted in ethical lapses. I get your point about the accusations alone causing challenges for the school but we need to acknowledge that that’s as far as it goes. Your example doesn’t work because both CEOs actually did something unethical as opposed to one actually doing unethical things and one being falsely accused of doing unethical things.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Mar 14, 2021 4:51:21 GMT -5
Is it fair to say he's a cretin who can coach?
Only thing I don't understand here: in reading a couple of stories this week I got the impression he was taking Fordham out of the doldrums and winning the A-10 title. Not getting why taking a winning program to a championship is this hall of fame accomplishment. Jay Young getting Fairfield to the title game was more impressive imho.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Mar 14, 2021 4:57:19 GMT -5
And again, while he can coach, to be able to take 5 teams to the tourney.....you have to hop around some. I'm thinking there are a few other coaches who could have done the same thing had they not been, you know, loyal. Mark Few, Dean Smith, John Wooden, John Chaney, etc.
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Post by alum on Mar 14, 2021 6:46:11 GMT -5
What’s really amazing about us is our ability to yell at each other about this while posting next to nothing on the BE thread when one of the greatest players in BE history has taken his alma mater on an improbable run to a title and a dance ticket in the greatest basketball arena in the country. 😙
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Post by efg72 on Mar 14, 2021 7:14:46 GMT -5
And Patrick’s team played and developed over the season just as if Thompson was coaching. Others tried but couldn’t find success because they wanted to do it their way. I think I know another place where that mindset has ruined a once fine program.
Ewing deserves a great deal of credit on how he built this team. And to think prior to the Villanova game this week a few in the Administration and certain alums were ready to look for a new coach.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Mar 14, 2021 7:24:28 GMT -5
If Nelson can get us to the Big East title game in the next four years, that will be a much bigger accomplishment. Fingers crossed.
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Post by thecrossisback on Mar 14, 2021 8:11:05 GMT -5
Iona does have 7 freshman on the team this year.
On Georgetown when they play a real out of conference schedule then I will care.
Even with big John they played way to games against mid majors and D2 teams.
Good for them to have a nice run this year. But they are not a consistent tournament team.
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Post by possum on Mar 14, 2021 9:00:53 GMT -5
Kudos to Georgetown for winning the BE title from the 9 seed but this is probably the worst the level of play has ever been in thar conference. As far as Pitino is concerned yes a lot of coaches could bring 5 teams to the tournament if given the chance but I don't think there are many coaches that could've brought a very average talent wise Providence team to the final four or do what he did with a Kentucky team that was on probation. Hopefully for the MAAC he'll move on fairly quickly as it will be a mismatch for as long as he's there.
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Post by rgs318 on Mar 14, 2021 9:03:02 GMT -5
Hasn't Iona won their conference tournament for several years now? Why is this so shocking?
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Post by possum on Mar 14, 2021 10:09:24 GMT -5
It's not shocking that he won it would have been shocking if he lost, I would expect Pitino to dominate any mid major conference that he participates in.
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Post by timholycross on Mar 14, 2021 10:51:06 GMT -5
Gibbons' indiscretions were extremely minor and I wouldn't be that sad if he proves those reasons were bogus and collects a nice settlement.
On the other hand, it was long since time for him to go.
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