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Post by aaa8316 on Mar 13, 2021 18:40:39 GMT -5
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Post by Crucis#1 on Mar 13, 2021 20:21:07 GMT -5
What is telling, to use several mixed metaphors, are the one trick pony D2 and D3 schools in Atlantic Hockey, such as AIC, RIT, Mercyhurst and Bentley have placed their athletic eggs in one basket, to gain recognition. Wonder what the results would be if they had to elevate their entire programs to D1 with the requisite dollars required.
The reverse of the Dayton Rule should apply to schools that have only a singular D1 program at the expense of their other programs regarding support.
For D1, 14 sports are needed for men and women .... 7 and 7 or 6 men and 8 women. For D2 the requirement is 10 .... 5 and 5 or 4 men and 6 women. The non fully D1 schools have a funding advantage regarding their hockey programs.
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Post by aaa8316 on Mar 13, 2021 20:49:22 GMT -5
Crucis#1...are you kidding?
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Mar 13, 2021 20:58:35 GMT -5
Holy Cross is slowly becoming one of the five worst programs in Division 1 hockey. Let’s stop with the excuses.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Mar 13, 2021 21:47:20 GMT -5
Not Kidding, and I am definitely not making any excuses for the poor performance of the current coaching staff. They have done a miserable job regarding the program and it’s future development. Change is needed now in leadership to right the ship.
In all seriousness, just as the Dayton rule was applied to D1 schools that ran a D3 program for football, the same is true regarding D3 programs that have only 5 men’s programs, but are a one trick pony for hockey. They are playing with a loaded deck on one side of the equation. Spend on D1 hockey, and the other programs are bare bones in comparison.
Why do you disagree? Provide a cogent argument why they should have an exemption to compete in D1 and maintain their other sports in D3?
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Post by bfoley82 on Mar 14, 2021 1:08:19 GMT -5
Not Kidding, and I am definitely not making any excuses for the poor performance of the current coaching staff. They have done a miserable job regarding the program and it’s future development. Change is needed now in leadership to right the ship. In all seriousness, just as the Dayton rule was applied to D1 schools that ran a D3 program for football, the same is true regarding D3 programs that have only 5 men’s programs, but are a one trick pony for hockey. They are playing with a loaded deck on one side of the equation. Spend on D1 hockey, and the other programs are bare bones in comparison. Why do you disagree? Provide a cogent argument why they should have an exemption to compete in D1 and maintain their other sports in D3? Hopkins lax, St Lawrence, Clarkson, RPI, Colorado College, Merrimack back in the day and probably a few more outside the Atlantic Hockey schools all play up.
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 14, 2021 1:32:56 GMT -5
What is telling, to use several mixed metaphors, are the one trick pony D2 and D3 schools in Atlantic Hockey, such as AIC, RIT, Mercyhurst and Bentley have placed their athletic eggs in one basket, to gain recognition. Wonder what the results would be if they had to elevate their entire programs to D1 with the requisite dollars required. The reverse of the Dayton Rule should apply to schools that have only a singular D1 program at the expense of their other programs regarding support. For D1, 14 sports are needed for men and women .... 7 and 7 or 6 men and 8 women. For D2 the requirement is 10 .... 5 and 5 or 4 men and 6 women. The non fully D1 schools have a funding advantage regarding their hockey programs. Under Barbara Stevens, Bentley WBB was national champion and a fixture in the NCAA D-2 tournament for years. I would have to say BB is their premier sport and thus Bentley is not a one trick pony hockey school. AIC might meet that description more.
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Post by purplehaze on Mar 16, 2021 8:36:36 GMT -5
I know no one cares but the AHA final four is set for Springfield this weekend - it's Army vs. Canisius and AIC vs. Niagara
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 16, 2021 17:03:49 GMT -5
Not Kidding, and I am definitely not making any excuses for the poor performance of the current coaching staff. They have done a miserable job regarding the program and it’s future development. Change is needed now in leadership to right the ship. In all seriousness, just as the Dayton rule was applied to D1 schools that ran a D3 program for football, the same is true regarding D3 programs that have only 5 men’s programs, but are a one trick pony for hockey. They are playing with a loaded deck on one side of the equation. Spend on D1 hockey, and the other programs are bare bones in comparison. Why do you disagree? Provide a cogent argument why they should have an exemption to compete in D1 and maintain their other sports in D3? I'll provide a simple argument. Not sure it's cogent. There is no NCAA D-2 Hockey. Thus a D-2 school is allowed to go one division up or down. I can't fault them for either choice. HC took advantage of the open nature of NCAA hockey divisions to build the women's program in a D-3 league and it worked like a charm. It was great all those years to read game stories where Holy Cross was the winning team almost every night. It probably would have been a rougher (and more expensive) entry to start in D-1. Having said that, it would have been interesting to see if Coach Van Buskirk could have built a winning team in D-1 like he did in D-3. A winning coach is a winning coach.
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 16, 2021 17:11:31 GMT -5
I know no one cares but the AHA final four is set for Springfield this weekend - it's Army vs. Canisius and AIC vs. Niagara I'm rooting for AIC, the little school that could, David vs Goliath, etc. A different way of looking at it than Crucis' fine points.
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Post by bfoley82 on Mar 16, 2021 19:56:08 GMT -5
Not Kidding, and I am definitely not making any excuses for the poor performance of the current coaching staff. They have done a miserable job regarding the program and it’s future development. Change is needed now in leadership to right the ship. In all seriousness, just as the Dayton rule was applied to D1 schools that ran a D3 program for football, the same is true regarding D3 programs that have only 5 men’s programs, but are a one trick pony for hockey. They are playing with a loaded deck on one side of the equation. Spend on D1 hockey, and the other programs are bare bones in comparison. Why do you disagree? Provide a cogent argument why they should have an exemption to compete in D1 and maintain their other sports in D3? I'll provide a simple argument. Not sure it's cogent. There is no NCAA D-2 Hockey. Thus a D-2 school is allowed to go one division up or down. I can't fault them for either choice. HC took advantage of the open nature of NCAA hockey divisions to build the women's program in a D-3 league and it worked like a charm. It was great all those years to read game stories where Holy Cross was the winning team almost every night. It probably would have been a rougher (and more expensive) entry to start in D-1. Having said that, it would have been interesting to see if Coach Van Buskirk could have built a winning team in D-1 like he did in D-3. A winning coach is a winning coach. If the D-2 schools play down, they are not eligible to play in the NCAA tourney. See Franklin Pierce, Assumption, St. A's, St Michael's, and Stonehill.
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Post by beachbound on Mar 16, 2021 20:41:42 GMT -5
Holy Cross is slowly becoming one of the five worst programs in Division 1 hockey. Let’s stop with the excuses. Agree, but it is not slowly, other than LIU, worst team in D1
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 16, 2021 22:48:17 GMT -5
I'll provide a simple argument. Not sure it's cogent. There is no NCAA D-2 Hockey. Thus a D-2 school is allowed to go one division up or down. I can't fault them for either choice. HC took advantage of the open nature of NCAA hockey divisions to build the women's program in a D-3 league and it worked like a charm. It was great all those years to read game stories where Holy Cross was the winning team almost every night. It probably would have been a rougher (and more expensive) entry to start in D-1. Having said that, it would have been interesting to see if Coach Van Buskirk could have built a winning team in D-1 like he did in D-3. A winning coach is a winning coach. If the D-2 schools play down, they are not eligible to play in the NCAA tourney. See Franklin Pierce, Assumption, St. A's, St Michael's, and Stonehill. In that case I can't see any reason to criticize them for playing up in D-1. Assumption opened it's season in November by losing to Becker at the Charles J. Buffone Arena on Lake Ave. The Greyhounds can avenge that loss next season...oh wait, never mind. With a group of HC students I held a sign for George McGovern on election day in 1972 and got assigned to Lake Ave. Most of the other sign holders were supporting Charles J. Buffone who was on the ballot. They took good care of me with an extra umbrella, coffee, Italian meatball sandwiches, etc. RIP Charlie Buffone. Sacred Heart is spending $70 million for a new arena but their old D-2 rival Assumption is getting the job done at a public skating arena. With an uncertain future for higher ed, and the growth in streaming college games I would rather be in Assumption's position regarding where the hockey team plays if I had to choose one or the other with no room for anything in between. The Worcester Ice Center and the DCU are even closer to campus if the Greyhounds ever need to upgrade their facility.
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Post by bfoley82 on Mar 16, 2021 23:04:56 GMT -5
If the D-2 schools play down, they are not eligible to play in the NCAA tourney. See Franklin Pierce, Assumption, St. A's, St Michael's, and Stonehill. In that case I can't see any reason to criticize them for playing up in D-1. Assumption opened it's season in November by losing to Becker at the Charles J. Buffone Arena on Lake Ave. The Greyhounds can avenge that loss next season...oh wait, never mind. With a group of HC students I held a sign for George McGovern on election day in 1972 and got assigned to Lake Ave. Most of the other sign holders were supporting Charles J. Buffone who was on the ballot. They took good care of me with an extra umbrella, coffee, Italian meatball sandwiches, etc. RIP Charlie Buffone. Sacred Heart is spending $70 million for a new arena but their old D-2 rival Assumption is getting the job done at a public skating arena. With an uncertain future for higher ed, and the growth in streaming college games I would rather be in Assumption's position regarding where the hockey team plays if I had to choose one or the other with no room for anything in between. The Worcester Ice Center and the DCU are even closer to campus if the Greyhounds ever need to upgrade their facility. Stonehill is ADDING women's hockey which will be Division 1 since they are joining the NEWHA (auto bid to NCAA D-1 tourney soon) like most of the D-2 programs that play down in Men's. Yes, it is weird that the women play up and the guys play in their own D-2 level against fellow NE-10 and D-3 teams. www.stonehillskyhawks.com/sports/wice/2020-21/releases/20200911g35z1y
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Post by Crucis#1 on Mar 16, 2021 23:39:09 GMT -5
From Wikipedia en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NCAA_Divisions_II_and_III_schools_competing_in_NCAA_Division_I_sportsThe National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA) is divided into three divisions: Division I, Division II and Division III. The main reason for Division II and Division III schools to compete in Division I is that certain sports have either only a single division or only Divisions I and III. As a result of this, there are some DII and III conferences with a conference championship in a sport that has only one or two NCAA divisions (i.e. bowling, men's volleyball). Some schools, however, have opted to compete in a sport at a higher level and are allowed to do so by the NCAA under certain circumstances. First, schools in Divisions II and III are allowed to classify one men's sport and one women's sport as Division I (except for football and basketball), provided that they were sponsoring said sports at Division I level prior to 2011. In addition to this, a lower-division school may compete as a Division I member in a given sport if the NCAA does not sponsor a championship in that sport for the school's own division. Division II schools may award scholarships and operate under Division I rules in their Division I sports. Division III schools cannot award scholarships in their Division I sports (except as noted below), but can operate under most Division I rules in those sports. While many of the lower division schools playing with the "big schools" are frequently heavily outclassed, others not only compete successfully, but are among the elite programs in their sport (i.e. Alaska-Fairbanks in rifle, Johns Hopkins in men's lacrosse, Minnesota-Duluth in both men's and women's ice hockey). Five Division III members are allowed to award athletic scholarships in their Division I sports—a practice otherwise not allowed for Division III schools. All of these schools sponsored a men's sport in the NCAA University Division, the predecessor to today's Division I, before the NCAA adopted its current three-division setup in 1974–75. At that time, the NCAA did not sponsor championships in women's sports. Today, these schools, sometimes called "grandfathered", are allowed to award scholarships in the one originally grandfathered sport, plus one women's sport. Notes Under current NCAA rules, beach volleyball and bowling are women's sports; wrestling is a men's sport; rifle is technically a men's sport, but schools can field men's, women's, and/or mixed teams; fencing and skiing are co-ed sports with teams having men's and women's squads. Future conference affiliations indicated in this article will take effect on July 1 of the stated year. In the case of spring sports, the first year of competition will take place in the calendar year after the conference move becomes official. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NCAA_Division_I_ice_hockey_programsen.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NCAA_Division_II_ice_hockey_programs#Men
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Post by Tom on Mar 17, 2021 13:20:31 GMT -5
I'll provide a simple argument. Not sure it's cogent. There is no NCAA D-2 Hockey. Thus a D-2 school is allowed to go one division up or down. I can't fault them for either choice. HC took advantage of the open nature of NCAA hockey divisions to build the women's program in a D-3 league and it worked like a charm. It was great all those years to read game stories where Holy Cross was the winning team almost every night. It probably would have been a rougher (and more expensive) entry to start in D-1. Having said that, it would have been interesting to see if Coach Van Buskirk could have built a winning team in D-1 like he did in D-3. A winning coach is a winning coach. If the D-2 schools play down, they are not eligible to play in the NCAA tourney. See Franklin Pierce, Assumption, St. A's, St Michael's, and Stonehill. Also HC women's hockey until very recently
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Post by purplehaze on Mar 20, 2021 19:30:59 GMT -5
AIC beat Niagara 2-1 and Canisius beat Army 4-3 in the aha semis - final now in Springfield
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Post by HC92 on Mar 20, 2021 21:15:35 GMT -5
AIC won the title game 5-2. Can’t imagine Coach Lang will be there too much longer. He’s done an amazing job there.
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Post by bfoley82 on Mar 20, 2021 21:18:13 GMT -5
AIC won the title game 5-2. Can’t imagine Coach Lang will be there too much longer. He’s done an amazing job there. So where is he going???
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Post by aaa8316 on Mar 21, 2021 19:38:27 GMT -5
AIC won the title game 5-2. Can’t imagine Coach Lang will be there too much longer. He’s done an amazing job there. So where is he going??? Colorado College is the first opening -- and that situation seems pretty ripe for a guy like Lang and what he's done at AIC. If CC can get past their pride of hiring an unsexy non-NHL'r, Lang could be in the running I'd think.
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Post by purplehaze on Mar 21, 2021 21:24:17 GMT -5
AIC gets no respect and draws the no1 overall seed North Dakota in the first round - interesting that St. Lawrence beat quinnipiac for the ecac title but withdrew from the tourney due to COVID protocols (unique to st. L, ? ,I don’t know)
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Post by Crucis#1 on Mar 21, 2021 22:04:35 GMT -5
Quinnipiac receives the NCAA bid.
St. Lawrence coach test positive.
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Post by bfoley82 on Mar 21, 2021 23:24:05 GMT -5
AIC gets no respect and draws the no1 overall seed North Dakota in the first round - interesting that St. Lawrence beat quinnipiac for the ecac title but withdrew from the tourney due to COVID protocols (unique to st. L, ? ,I don’t know) Yea they won the title on Saturday and he tested positive on Sunday. Makes you wonder why UConn women are allowed in the tourney with Geno testing positive. Did Geno not have practice the entire week off?
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Post by HC92 on Mar 22, 2021 6:40:38 GMT -5
AIC gets no respect and draws the no1 overall seed North Dakota in the first round - interesting that St. Lawrence beat quinnipiac for the ecac title but withdrew from the tourney due to COVID protocols (unique to st. L, ? ,I don’t know) Yea they won the title on Saturday and he tested positive on Sunday. Makes you wonder why UConn women are allowed in the tourney with Geno testing positive. Did Geno not have practice the entire week off? Geno last had close contact with the team on Friday March 12. They played their first NCAA game in March 22. The players and coaches are tested daily.
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Post by bfoley82 on Mar 22, 2021 10:49:49 GMT -5
Yea they won the title on Saturday and he tested positive on Sunday. Makes you wonder why UConn women are allowed in the tourney with Geno testing positive. Did Geno not have practice the entire week off? Geno last had close contact with the team on Friday March 12. They played their first NCAA game in March 22. The players and coaches are tested daily. The St Lawrence coach last had contact with the team March 20th and their first game would have been the 26 or 27th.
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