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Post by longsuffering on Sept 14, 2021 11:11:51 GMT -5
I guess it's U of New Haven that's movin' on up, not U of B or is it both? Maybe St. Joe's of West Hartford under Jim Calhoun should move up to D-2 to take their place or to D-1 to take the in-town D-1 slot U of H abandoned.
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Post by timholycross on Sept 15, 2021 19:19:35 GMT -5
I guess it's U of New Haven that's movin' on up, not U of B or is it both? Maybe St. Joe's of West Hartford under Jim Calhoun should move up to D-2 to take their place or to D-1 to take the in-town D-1 slot U of H abandoned. New Haven, yes, at least they are giving it very serious thought.. No evidence Bridgeport would do the same, at least that I could find. Anyone know of any other D2 school in New England that's contemplating moving up? |
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Post by Crucis#1 on Sept 15, 2021 20:10:28 GMT -5
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Post by bfoley82 on Sept 15, 2021 20:30:56 GMT -5
I guess it's U of New Haven that's movin' on up, not U of B or is it both? Maybe St. Joe's of West Hartford under Jim Calhoun should move up to D-2 to take their place or to D-1 to take the in-town D-1 slot U of H abandoned. New Haven, yes, at least they are giving it very serious thought.. No evidence Bridgeport would do the same, at least that I could find. Anyone know of any other D2 school in New England that's contemplating moving up? Assumption and SNHU could move to D-1 in Men's Hockey anyday they want. Post, St. A's, Franklin Pierce, and St. Michaels all play D-1 women's hockey in the NEWHA with SHU and LIU. |
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Post by longsuffering on Sept 15, 2021 22:02:00 GMT -5
New Haven, yes, at least they are giving it very serious thought.. No evidence Bridgeport would do the same, at least that I could find. Anyone know of any other D2 school in New England that's contemplating moving up? Assumption and SNHU could move to D-1 in Men's Hockey anyday they want. Post, St. A's, Franklin Pierce, and St. Michaels all play D-1 women's hockey in the NEWHA with SHU and LIU. The NEWHA shares an address in Winthrop with the AHA. I wonder why they don't just call it the AHA women's division like Hockey East does? I can't think of any single sex college conferences other than these two. Even the remaining "seven sisters" don't play in a women only league. |
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Post by bfoley82 on Sept 15, 2021 23:29:14 GMT -5
Assumption and SNHU could move to D-1 in Men's Hockey anyday they want. Post, St. A's, Franklin Pierce, and St. Michaels all play D-1 women's hockey in the NEWHA with SHU and LIU. The NEWHA shares an address in Winthrop with the AHA. I wonder why they don't just call it the AHA women's division like Hockey East does? I can't think of any single sex college conferences other than these two. Even the remaining "seven sisters" don't play in a women only league. WCHA is a women's only conference in hockey now. |
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Post by longsuffering on Sept 16, 2021 0:50:01 GMT -5
The NEWHA shares an address in Winthrop with the AHA. I wonder why they don't just call it the AHA women's division like Hockey East does? I can't think of any single sex college conferences other than these two. Even the remaining "seven sisters" don't play in a women only league. WCHA is a women's only conference in hockey now. There's nothing wrong with that except it's highly inefficient. You have to have a commissioner, staff, an office, etc. all for one gender when the staff could easily handle two genders. |
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Post by bfoley82 on Sept 16, 2021 8:39:26 GMT -5
WCHA is a women's only conference in hockey now. There's nothing wrong with that except it's highly inefficient. You have to have a commissioner, staff, an office, etc. all for one gender when the staff could easily handle two genders. Only three full-time staffers.... www.wcha.com/women/we-are-the-wcha/conference-staff.php |
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Post by longsuffering on Sept 16, 2021 10:53:34 GMT -5
Colgate women are ranked sixth in the nation so HC women can certainly steadily rise.
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Post by bfoley82 on Sept 16, 2021 15:29:12 GMT -5
Colgate women are ranked sixth in the nation so HC women can certainly steadily rise. Colgate women were the NATIONAL runner up in 2018 to ECAC conference rival Clarkson who tied with them for the conference title. They also appeared in the 2021 NCAA Tourney. |
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Post by bfoley82 on Sept 16, 2021 15:32:24 GMT -5
Assumption and SNHU could move to D-1 in Men's Hockey anyday they want. Post, St. A's, Franklin Pierce, and St. Michaels all play D-1 women's hockey in the NEWHA with SHU and LIU. The NEWHA shares an address in Winthrop with the AHA. I wonder why they don't just call it the AHA women's division like Hockey East does? I can't think of any single sex college conferences other than these two. Even the remaining "seven sisters" don't play in a women only league. The CCHA is another single sex sport conference. The ECFC is another one for football. |
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Post by purplehaze on Jan 13, 2023 10:13:36 GMT -5
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Post by trimster on Jan 13, 2023 11:06:20 GMT -5
The sad thing is HC is being surpassed in athletics by schools that weren’t even in our rear view in the days of yore. |
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Post by purplehaze on Jan 13, 2023 12:01:14 GMT -5
I'm not sure this venture into higher D.1 investments at SHU will work out - to me it's an over-reach - I doubt they will draw very well when the average AHA team comes to town - whether their student body gets on board in a big way is the question - UConn should have built this size facility in Storrs and the 2500 size (now opening in Storrs) should have been the size that SHU built. If they parlay this arena into a membership in the ECAC or Hockey East, then it's a different story
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Post by bfoley82 on Jan 13, 2023 14:00:57 GMT -5
I'm not sure this venture into higher D.1 investments at SHU will work out - to me it's an over-reach - I doubt they will draw very well when the average AHA team comes to town - whether their student body gets on board in a big way is the question - UConn should have built this size facility in Storrs and the 2500 size (now opening in Storrs) should have been the size that SHU built. If they parlay this arena into a membership in the ECAC or Hockey East, then it's a different story You make it sound like 3,600 seat arena is a huge upgrade over 2,500. They sponsor 33 varsity sports and have an enrollment of 8,500 or so. |
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Post by purplehaze on Jan 13, 2023 14:42:47 GMT -5
at 3600 cap, it's 44 pct larger than UConn's facility - I live very close the SHU and yes, they have a very broad athletic program (numbers like the Ivies) but I'm hesitant to say they'll draw well in this region which is very 'pro sports' oriented - let's wait and see and I personally hope they succeed
I'm thinking of going to HC's game there next Saturday and I looked for tickets - at $10 or 15 each you can literally sit 'anywhere' as of today
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Post by bfoley82 on Jan 13, 2023 14:58:17 GMT -5
at 3600 cap, it's 44 pct larger than UConn's facility - I live very close the SHU and yes, they have a very broad athletic program (numbers like the Ivies) but I'm hesitant to say they'll draw well in this region which is very 'pro sports' oriented - let's wait and see and I personally hope they succeed I'm thinking of going to HC's game there next Saturday and I looked for tickets - at $10 or 15 each you can literally sit 'anywhere' as of today Well, HC is 5-13-2 so not like they are a MARQUEE opponent. The Sacred Heart hockey facility is 122,580 square feet and the Holy Cross addition to the Hart/Luth was 143,000 square feet. I been to Sacred Heart for events in the past and their soccer facility is just a field with some lights basically. Seen high school fields better than that. |
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Post by aaa8316 on Jan 13, 2023 17:25:07 GMT -5
I am green with envy for SHU.
Good on them for taking a chance.
It isn't my money, I'm not on their board or the AD, or in any way affiliated with SHU. So zero risk to me.
But I do know investment when I see it, and that is clearly investment into Athletics (Hockey). Debate all you want about whether it's good or bad.
Fact is: they now have it, we need it, and we have zero plan currently on how to get it. The Haves/Have Nots gap continues to grow for HC.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Jan 13, 2023 17:40:05 GMT -5
HC has several iterations of a plan to change the Hart Center Rink. Sky High Cost, building configurations regarding land, and alternative facility for play during reconstruction are presenting major headwinds for implementation. Hope to see the possible rink renderings with the new campus master plan.
SHU fortunately could build without the limitation of a previous rink footprint, as the new hockey rink is not on their main campus, but on land acquired from the former General Electric Headquarters campus, which is a mile south west of the Park Avenue campus.
Meanwhile, HC is in phase 1 of building new student housing on City View Street, with plans to renovate Easy Street…Yes we have / haves that other schools do not. We have needs that can be addressed based on financing projections. Gaps are transient based on priority.
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Post by aaa8316 on Jan 13, 2023 18:05:56 GMT -5
HC has several iterations of a plan to change the Hart Center Rink. Sky High Cost, building configurations regarding land, and alternative facility for play during reconstruction are presenting major headwinds for implementation. Hope to see the possible rink renderings with the new campus master plan. SHU fortunately could build without the limitation of a previous rink footprint, as the new hockey rink is not on their main campus, but on land acquired from the former General Electric Headquarters campus, which is a mile south of the Park Avenue campus. Meanwhile, HC is in phase 1 of building new student housing on City View Street, with plans to renovate Easy Street…Yes we have / haves that other schools do not. We have needs that can be addressed based on financing projections. Gaps are transient based on priority.You're right -- see bolded statement from before. But note: This a fan forum for Holy Cross ATHLETICS -- not student housing, arts, or any other component of the institution. And this thread is specifically about SHU's rink, and being compared to HC's and the current situation. |
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Post by longsuffering on Jan 13, 2023 18:06:03 GMT -5
HC has several iterations of a plan to change the Hart Center Rink. Sky High Cost, building configurations regarding land, and alternative facility for play during reconstruction are presenting major headwinds for implementation. Hope to see the possible rink renderings with the new campus master plan. SHU fortunately could build without the limitation of a previous rink footprint, as the new hockey rink is not on their main campus, but on land acquired from the former General Electric Headquarters campus, which is a mile south of the Park Avenue campus. Meanwhile, HC is in phase 1 of building new student housing on City View Street, with plans to renovate Easy Street…Yes we have / haves that other schools do not. We have needs that can be addressed based on financing projections. Gaps are transient based on priority. The alternate facility during reconstruction could be the Fidelity Bank Ice Center downtown, owned by the Worcester Railers ECHL hockey club. It has two rinks and is home to Assumption Varsity, WPI club, Worcester Academy and St. Paul's high school teams. HC could fill the vacated Becker College slot. |
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Post by Crucis#1 on Jan 13, 2023 18:30:29 GMT -5
Three months ago, I visited the site of the new Sacred Heart Rink, and saw the building from the outside. They have done an outstanding job to get it ready to open this weekend. I hope to be able to see a game in the facility next year.
Some may only look at athletics regarding Crossports, but when it comes down to funding for athletic projects, which there are several on the drawing boards, looking at the institutional gestalt is required. Academic and Student Life facilities and programs play an essential part in the attraction of student athletes deciding which school they will attend.
I am very familiar with SHU. Over 20 years ago, I was a board member of an institute at SHU. They have had a tremendous growth and success during the last three decades to become the second largest Catholic University in New England, much to the dismay of another Catholic University located in their town. SHU offers several academic programs I wish HC would include in an expanded Liberal Arts Curriculum Umbrella.
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Post by longsuffering on Jan 13, 2023 19:17:00 GMT -5
Three months ago, I visited the site of the new Sacred Heart Rink, and saw the building from the outside. They have done an outstanding job to get it ready to open this weekend. I hope to be able to see a game in the facility next year. Some may only look at athletics regarding Crossports, but when it comes down to funding for athletic projects, which there are several on the drawing boards, looking at the institutional gestalt is required. Academic and Student Life facilities and programs play an essential part in the attraction of student athletes deciding which school they will attend. I am very familiar with SHU. Over 20 years ago, I was a board member of an institute at SHU. They have had a tremendous growth and success during the last three decades to become the second largest Catholic University in New England, much to the dismay of another Catholic University located in their town. SHU offers several academic programs I wish HC would include in an expanded Liberal Arts Curriculum Umbrella. Like many colleges and universities, SHU is responsive to what the market needs. |
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Post by bfoley82 on Jan 14, 2023 20:09:31 GMT -5
Three months ago, I visited the site of the new Sacred Heart Rink, and saw the building from the outside. They have done an outstanding job to get it ready to open this weekend. I hope to be able to see a game in the facility next year. Some may only look at athletics regarding Crossports, but when it comes down to funding for athletic projects, which there are several on the drawing boards, looking at the institutional gestalt is required. Academic and Student Life facilities and programs play an essential part in the attraction of student athletes deciding which school they will attend. I am very familiar with SHU. Over 20 years ago, I was a board member of an institute at SHU. They have had a tremendous growth and success during the last three decades to become the second largest Catholic University in New England, much to the dismay of another Catholic University located in their town. SHU offers several academic programs I wish HC would include in an expanded Liberal Arts Curriculum Umbrella. I was at UConn's today...Absolute trash. Way too small capacity, 150 or so tickets for students for men's games, not bigger enough media boxes with roughly 20 seats total (each team is required to have four seats per team). It is a great place to watch a game but could have BEEN so much better with the amount of money spent on it. It was like they didn't want to infringe on basketball at all by having a bigger place. |
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Post by bfoley82 on Jan 14, 2023 20:11:37 GMT -5
HC has several iterations of a plan to change the Hart Center Rink. Sky High Cost, building configurations regarding land, and alternative facility for play during reconstruction are presenting major headwinds for implementation. Hope to see the possible rink renderings with the new campus master plan. SHU fortunately could build without the limitation of a previous rink footprint, as the new hockey rink is not on their main campus, but on land acquired from the former General Electric Headquarters campus, which is a mile south of the Park Avenue campus. Meanwhile, HC is in phase 1 of building new student housing on City View Street, with plans to renovate Easy Street…Yes we have / haves that other schools do not. We have needs that can be addressed based on financing projections. Gaps are transient based on priority. The alternate facility during reconstruction could be the Fidelity Bank Ice Center downtown, owned by the Worcester Railers ECHL hockey club. It has two rinks and is home to Assumption Varsity, WPI club, Worcester Academy and St. Paul's high school teams. HC could fill the vacated Becker College slot. Worcester State filled that slot with their women's team. The Becker College women's coach literally cleaned out the locker room and then put their stuff right back in as she took over the Worcester State team with 80 percent of the same roster. |
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