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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Apr 2, 2021 8:35:50 GMT -5
^ Such a disappointing position. In a stadium of 10,000+ Colgate can’t admit approx. 150 HC parents/family of players and coaches? If that is truly unmanageable for them, the PL should tell them that they are not hosting any home games. Actually, I applaud Colgate. Colgate, for both its fall and spring semesters, created a bubble, encompassing the Colgate campus. Colgate was on-campus for the fall semester, HC was not. I looked at the number of active cases at Colgate currently; that number (2) is a tenth of the number of active student cases (26) at Holy Cross. Holy Cross had 80 student cases in the month of March. Colgate had two positive cases in March. Nearly all of Colgate's student cases have coincided with a return to campus at the start of the fall and spring semesters. Otherwise, its weeks with zero cases. IMO, Colgate's approach has worked for them. I would characterize it as more than a bit draconian, but its been successful. Why should they let outsiders into their bubble/? And why on God's green earth should the Patriot League penalize them for keeping their campus largely COVID-free? |
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Post by hcpride on Apr 2, 2021 8:58:41 GMT -5
/\ I guess both HC and Colgate avoided student hospitalizations/deaths due to Covid so in that most important sense HC and Colgate (and many/essentially all other schools) tied.
I believe Colgate students and professors and hundreds of support staff come and go from their campus each day.
An outdoor fan ban at Colgate at this point is indeed interesting. If not scientific.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Apr 2, 2021 9:53:15 GMT -5
/\ I guess both HC and Colgate avoided student hospitalizations/deaths due to Covid so in that most important sense HC and Colgate (and many/essentially all other schools) tied. I believe Colgate students and professors and hundreds of support staff come and go from their campus each day. An outdoor fan ban at Colgate at this point is indeed interesting. If not scientific. Colgate tests staff, but the testing appears to be less frequent than HC testing of staff, which is 1x a week. Presently, there are three active staff cases at Colgate, compared to one at HC. Most of HC's nearly 40 staff cases were fall semester and after the end of year holidays, and appear to be community spread. I am not aware of schools that publish hospitalizations, as I believe privacy laws control. But I suspect the number is very, very low. HC believes, based on Boston University's genomic testing of its positive cases (Annapolis does genomic testing also) that the March uptick in positive cases at HC is mainly due to the UK variant, which is up to 70 percent more infectious, and apparently more deadly.. BU and Annapolis said that 50 percent of their positives in early March were the UK variant. And at the other end of the spectrum is Fordham. I wouldn't go to a Fordham game unless I was vaccinated. See: www.fordham.edu/info/30145/covid-19_testing_dataVery low testing rates, relatively high positive test rates, particularly at Rose Hill. Fordham must be isolating its varsity sports teams. |
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Post by hc2020 on Apr 2, 2021 10:28:16 GMT -5
^ Such a disappointing position. In a stadium of 10,000+ Colgate can’t admit approx. 150 HC parents/family of players and coaches? If that is truly unmanageable for them, the PL should tell them that they are not hosting any home games. Actually, I applaud Colgate. Colgate, for both its fall and spring semesters, created a bubble, encompassing the Colgate campus. Colgate was on-campus for the fall semester, HC was not. I looked at the number of active cases at Colgate currently; that number (2) is a tenth of the number of active student cases (26) at Holy Cross. Holy Cross had 80 student cases in the month of March. Colgate had two positive cases in March. Nearly all of Colgate's student cases have coincided with a return to campus at the start of the fall and spring semesters. Otherwise, its weeks with zero cases. IMO, Colgate's approach has worked for them. I would characterize it as more than a bit draconian, but its been successful. Why should they let outsiders into their bubble/? And why on God's green earth should the Patriot League penalize them for keeping their campus largely COVID-free? Why should they let outsiders into their “bubble”? I’m sure Matt Kane’s parents would be able to offer a pretty compelling reason, since they luckily were physically present during the last game when their son was carted off the field with multiple fractures of his leg. I can’t imagine how they would have felt if they saw all that transpire this happen on ESPN+ some 1200 miles away in Florida. Sometimes the “reason” is pretty obvious. |
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Apr 2, 2021 13:59:34 GMT -5
Actually, I applaud Colgate. Colgate, for both its fall and spring semesters, created a bubble, encompassing the Colgate campus. Colgate was on-campus for the fall semester, HC was not. I looked at the number of active cases at Colgate currently; that number (2) is a tenth of the number of active student cases (26) at Holy Cross. Holy Cross had 80 student cases in the month of March. Colgate had two positive cases in March. Nearly all of Colgate's student cases have coincided with a return to campus at the start of the fall and spring semesters. Otherwise, its weeks with zero cases. IMO, Colgate's approach has worked for them. I would characterize it as more than a bit draconian, but its been successful. Why should they let outsiders into their bubble/? And why on God's green earth should the Patriot League penalize them for keeping their campus largely COVID-free? Why should they let outsiders into their “bubble”? I’m sure Matt Kane’s parents would be able to offer a pretty compelling reason, since they luckily were physically present during the last game when their son was carted off the field with multiple fractures of his leg. I can’t imagine how they would have felt if they saw all that transpire this happen on ESPN+ some 1200 miles away in Florida. Sometimes the “reason” is pretty obvious. A college's primary, secondary, and tertiary obligations are to its students, an obligation which extends to a lesser degree to the families of said students. Perhaps there is a quinary or senary obligation to students of other schools, and to the parents, girlfriends, boyfriends of said students, but any such obligation is far down the road. Before students enrolled, schools outlined for the matriculating students and their parents how the institution would operate during the academic year, the rules and restrictions that would apply, It is at least a quasi-contract. The rules and restrictions differ by institution. Georgetown's restrictions are such that it cannot field a football team. There were posts on this board last fall pointing to Colgate's reopening for on-campus matriculation, cheering on what Colgate was doing, and chastising TPTB at HC for not doing similarly. As it happens, Colgate's re-opening came with restrictions, one being there would be no spectators (who are not a member of the Colgate community) at games at Colgate during the spring when competition resumed. As I read Colgate's restrictions, they don't want the parents of students visiting Hamilton at all, except for an emergency, because their student child is not supposed to meet with them. On its face, that restriction precludes the parents of Colgate football players from attending as spectators. Why are the parents of Holy Cross football players so privileged that they should be able to attend? Can you imagine the uproar on this board if HC had announced that parents of HC football players could not attend the Fordham game, but that Fordham parents could? |
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Post by HC92 on Apr 2, 2021 15:03:07 GMT -5
Why should they let outsiders into their “bubble”? I’m sure Matt Kane’s parents would be able to offer a pretty compelling reason, since they luckily were physically present during the last game when their son was carted off the field with multiple fractures of his leg. I can’t imagine how they would have felt if they saw all that transpire this happen on ESPN+ some 1200 miles away in Florida. Sometimes the “reason” is pretty obvious. A college's primary, secondary, and tertiary obligations are to its students, an obligation which extends to a lesser degree to the families of said students. Perhaps there is a quinary or senary obligation to students of other schools, and to the parents, girlfriends, boyfriends of said students, but any such obligation is far down the road. Before students enrolled, schools outlined for the matriculating students and their parents how the institution would operate during the academic year, the rules and restrictions that would apply, It is at least a quasi-contract. The rules and restrictions differ by institution. Georgetown's restrictions are such that it cannot field a football team. There were posts on this board last fall pointing to Colgate's reopening for on-campus matriculation, cheering on what Colgate was doing, and chastising TPTB at HC for not doing similarly. As it happens, Colgate's re-opening came with restrictions, one being there would be no spectators (who are not a member of the Colgate community) at games at Colgate during the spring when competition resumed. As I read Colgate's restrictions, they don't want the parents of students visiting Hamilton at all, except for an emergency, because their student child is not supposed to meet with them. On its face, that restriction precludes the parents of Colgate football players from attending as spectators. Why are the parents of Holy Cross football players so privileged that they should be able to attend? Can you imagine the uproar on this board if HC had announced that parents of HC football players could not attend the Fordham game, but that Fordham parents could? Come on, man. Here’s the deal. No one is saying HC parents should be able to attend while Colgate parents cannot. They’re saying it’s stupid and not based on any “science” not to allow a few hundred people to attend an outdoor sporting event in a 10,000 seat stadium to watch their sons play. Still awaiting word on the outbreak at HC after letting the Fordham and HC parents attend the game last week. Assume it will make national news. |
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Post by hc2020 on Apr 2, 2021 15:18:10 GMT -5
^ Let’s also not forget how great Colgate’s “bubble” policy has worked out for them (and the league) when they had a Tier-1 COVID outbreak a few weeks ago and had to postpone their first 2 games vs. Lehigh and HC.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Apr 2, 2021 15:41:55 GMT -5
The drive out to Hamilton will be much more dangerous than strapping on the helmets to play a football game, FWIW.
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 2, 2021 15:47:43 GMT -5
A college's primary, secondary, and tertiary obligations are to its students, an obligation which extends to a lesser degree to the families of said students. Perhaps there is a quinary or senary obligation to students of other schools, and to the parents, girlfriends, boyfriends of said students, but any such obligation is far down the road. Before students enrolled, schools outlined for the matriculating students and their parents how the institution would operate during the academic year, the rules and restrictions that would apply, It is at least a quasi-contract. The rules and restrictions differ by institution. Georgetown's restrictions are such that it cannot field a football team. There were posts on this board last fall pointing to Colgate's reopening for on-campus matriculation, cheering on what Colgate was doing, and chastising TPTB at HC for not doing similarly. As it happens, Colgate's re-opening came with restrictions, one being there would be no spectators (who are not a member of the Colgate community) at games at Colgate during the spring when competition resumed. As I read Colgate's restrictions, they don't want the parents of students visiting Hamilton at all, except for an emergency, because their student child is not supposed to meet with them. On its face, that restriction precludes the parents of Colgate football players from attending as spectators. Why are the parents of Holy Cross football players so privileged that they should be able to attend? Can you imagine the uproar on this board if HC had announced that parents of HC football players could not attend the Fordham game, but that Fordham parents could? Come on, man. Here’s the deal. No one is saying HC parents should be able to attend while Colgate parents cannot. They’re saying it’s stupid and not based on any “science” not to allow a few hundred people to attend an outdoor sporting event in a 10,000 seat stadium to watch their sons play. Still awaiting word on the outbreak at HC after letting the Fordham and HC parents attend the game last week. Assume it will make national news. "Come on, man. Here's the deal." Is that you President Biden?🙂 |
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Post by gks on Apr 2, 2021 16:05:20 GMT -5
Holy Cross Football....who has done the right thing, plus gotten lucky, throughout all of this is being punished this weekend.
The Patriot League makes no sense. If I'm Chesney I'd be furious that the league did this to me and my team.
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 2, 2021 16:20:48 GMT -5
Holy Cross Football....who has done the right thing, plus gotten lucky, throughout all of this is being punished this weekend. The Patriot League makes no sense. If I'm Chesney I'd be furious that the league did this to me and my team. That was my reaction until one poster noted that several HC players are banged up and could use the time to heal. Regarding the season being shortened, I would have no problem if two or four of the non participants in the championship game want to play each other that week to gain experience for the fall. |
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Post by hcpride on Apr 2, 2021 16:29:07 GMT -5
Why should they let outsiders into their “bubble”? I’m sure Matt Kane’s parents would be able to offer a pretty compelling reason, since they luckily were physically present during the last game when their son was carted off the field with multiple fractures of his leg. I can’t imagine how they would have felt if they saw all that transpire this happen on ESPN+ some 1200 miles away in Florida. Sometimes the “reason” is pretty obvious. ...There were posts on this board last fall pointing to Colgate's reopening for on-campus matriculation, cheering on what Colgate was doing, and chastising TPTB at HC for not doing similarly. As it happens, Colgate's re-opening came with restrictions, one being there would be no spectators (who are not a member of the Colgate community) at games at Colgate during the spring when competition resumed. As I read Colgate's restrictions, they don't want the parents of students visiting Hamilton at all, except for an emergency, because their student child is not supposed to meet with them. On its face, that restriction precludes the parents of Colgate football players from attending as spectators. Why are the parents of Holy Cross football players so privileged that they should be able to attend? Can you imagine the uproar on this board if HC had announced that parents of HC football players could not attend the Fordham game, but that Fordham parents could? I recall folks bemoaning the fact that HC could not execute the very plan they themselves constructed while praising the fact Colgate was at least able to execute its own plan and open their campus this fall. The former looking incompetent while the latter looking competent. (This is separate and apart from any actual admiration for the draconian Colgate plan itself). |
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Post by hc2020 on Apr 2, 2021 16:29:08 GMT -5
Holy Cross Football....who has done the right thing, plus gotten lucky, throughout all of this is being punished this weekend. The Patriot League makes no sense. If I'm Chesney I'd be furious that the league did this to me and my team. That was my reaction until one poster noted that several HC players are banged up and could use the time to heal. Regarding the season being shortened, I would have no problem if two or four of the non participants in the championship game want to play each other that week to gain experience for the fall. A good idea. With many seniors losing out on a full year the league should do everything it can to maximize their chances to play, including possible “senior day” activities which they and their families absolutely deserve. |
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Post by HC92 on Apr 2, 2021 16:38:38 GMT -5
Come on, man. Here’s the deal. No one is saying HC parents should be able to attend while Colgate parents cannot. They’re saying it’s stupid and not based on any “science” not to allow a few hundred people to attend an outdoor sporting event in a 10,000 seat stadium to watch their sons play. Still awaiting word on the outbreak at HC after letting the Fordham and HC parents attend the game last week. Assume it will make national news. "Come on, man. Here's the deal." Is that you President Biden?🙂 Glad someone got it. I pretty much start everything I say with one of those two phrases. Makes me happy. |
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Post by hcgrad94 on Apr 2, 2021 16:42:45 GMT -5
Holy Cross Football....who has done the right thing, plus gotten lucky, throughout all of this is being punished this weekend. The Patriot League makes no sense. If I'm Chesney I'd be furious that the league did this to me and my team. Not so sure a week off is such a bad thing. More time to heal and coach guys up. |
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Post by HC92 on Apr 2, 2021 16:54:13 GMT -5
Holy Cross Football....who has done the right thing, plus gotten lucky, throughout all of this is being punished this weekend. The Patriot League makes no sense. If I'm Chesney I'd be furious that the league did this to me and my team. I am generally not a big fan of PL decision-making but this one makes sense. Gives them a chance to even up all the teams at two games played with a week to go. If there is a miracle and all three game happen next week, all the teams will have played an even number of games and there will be some semblance of fairness to who gets to the title game. |
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Post by gks on Apr 3, 2021 9:19:08 GMT -5
Holy Cross Football....who has done the right thing, plus gotten lucky, throughout all of this is being punished this weekend. The Patriot League makes no sense. If I'm Chesney I'd be furious that the league did this to me and my team. I am generally not a big fan of PL decision-making but this one makes sense. Gives them a chance to even up all the teams at two games played with a week to go. If there is a miracle and all three game happen next week, all the teams will have played an even number of games and there will be some semblance of fairness to who gets to the title game. We'll agree to disagree. This isn't youth sports. I don't care if Colgate can't get their act together and plays one game. Holy Cross football has done all it can to be as COVID-free as possible...plus like I said some luck involved. They should not be punished. If this is the way the PL wants to run it's football league then don't have playoffs and just do a jamboree or round robin. |
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Post by purplehaze on Apr 3, 2021 10:27:26 GMT -5
If Bucknell wins today they clinch the South division and would play in the Apr 17th championship game (hopefully at Fitton vs. HC)
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Post by purplehaze on Apr 3, 2021 13:48:14 GMT -5
Bison won 6-0 in a yawner - 190 total yards for Lehigh - they’re going to be questioning their coaching decision with Gilmore
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Post by lehighowl on Apr 3, 2021 14:07:40 GMT -5
Bison won 6-0 in a yawner - 190 total yards for Lehigh - they’re going to be questioning their coaching decision with Gilmore I think most rationale Lehigh fans questioned it from the start. If Lehigh loses to the Leopards next week Tommy will be 0-6 against HC, Bucknell (Cecchini) and Lafayette. That's unforgiveable! The offense is a dumpster fire and while the defense has improved it's not close to being good enough to overcome a bottom 20 or even 10 offense. How can he recruit given his past at HC and now his start at Lehigh? He has no business being a D1 coach. Coordinator yes, head coach no. He's a poor man's Rex Ryan.... Cecchini has to be loving it at some level and perhaps feeling bad for Sterrett's and Lehigh's complete mismanagement of Coen's replacement. |
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Post by hc2020 on Apr 3, 2021 14:36:33 GMT -5
Bison won 6-0 in a yawner - 190 total yards for Lehigh - they’re going to be questioning their coaching decision with Gilmore I think most rationale Lehigh fans questioned it from the start. If Lehigh loses to the Leopards next week Tommy will be 0-6 against HC, Bucknell (Cecchini) and Lafayette. That's unforgiveable! The offense is a dumpster fire and while the defense has improved it's not close to being good enough to overcome a bottom 20 or even 10 offense. How can he recruit given his past at HC and now his start at Lehigh? He has no business being a D1 coach. Coordinator yes, head coach no. He's a poor man's Rex Ryan.... Cecchini has to be loving it at some level and perhaps feeling bad for Sterrett's and Lehigh's complete mismanagement of Coen's replacement. The only thing that Gilmore has going for him now is the fact that his team is very young and they could get better. Their offense, however, is a complete disaster. Not sure Lehigh will be that patient. Plus, with COVID giving each player an extra year of eligibility the youth movement at Lehigh might be less effective in the long run. |
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Post by lehighowl on Apr 3, 2021 14:42:23 GMT -5
I think most rationale Lehigh fans questioned it from the start. If Lehigh loses to the Leopards next week Tommy will be 0-6 against HC, Bucknell (Cecchini) and Lafayette. That's unforgiveable! The offense is a dumpster fire and while the defense has improved it's not close to being good enough to overcome a bottom 20 or even 10 offense. How can he recruit given his past at HC and now his start at Lehigh? He has no business being a D1 coach. Coordinator yes, head coach no. He's a poor man's Rex Ryan.... Cecchini has to be loving it at some level and perhaps feeling bad for Sterrett's and Lehigh's complete mismanagement of Coen's replacement. The only thing that Gilmore has going for him now is the fact that his team is very young and they could get better. Their offense, however, is a complete disaster. Not sure Lehigh will be that patient. Plus, with COVID giving each player an extra year of eligibility the youth movement at Lehigh might be less effective in the long run. HC was always young too with Gilmore! It's a bad coaches go to. He had Pujals as a 4 year starter and did nothing. He can't develop and cultivate talent and teams. He's a defensive coordinator. He's not a head coach. The PL has a great young coach in Chesney and very good one in Cecchini and a decent old throwback in Hunt, Sgarlata in a hopeless situation and 3 clowns in Conlin, Gilmore and Garrett. |
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Post by purplehaze on Apr 3, 2021 16:10:18 GMT -5
no reason for a new thread but it seems Colgate has problems and not playing like their usual selves - after getting blown out by Lafayette, they're down 21-zip in the 2nd qtr today at Fordham.
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Post by HC92 on Apr 3, 2021 16:15:51 GMT -5
Just saw that Fordham score. Yikes. Hope we get to play the Gate next weekend. If we get Covided, we should still win the division and play Bucknell for the title.
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 3, 2021 16:30:11 GMT -5
Fordham channels the seven blocks of granite and stages goal line stand at end of half. Rams up 21-0.
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