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Post by nycrusader2010 on Apr 11, 2021 21:12:50 GMT -5
Getting back to who should host, I believe it is because of the the crazy tie breaking system of the PL, not COVID restrictions. DETERMINING A CHAMPIONSHIP HOST A. Head-to-head result, if applicable; B. Best overall winning percentage [minimum of three games played, 4-0 better than 3-0; if one team is 2-C and the other is 1-1, proceed to next step]; MINIMUM 3 GAMES PLAYED. 2-1 beats 2-0 by default. We should not be pissed at Bucknell, except they were strategically smart by bypassing us on 4/3 and playing Lehigh. They knew they won the south, and were hosting win or lose last Saturday once Colgate cancelled. Colgate screwed us. Not enough healthy players? Come on...quiters! PL = Mickey Mouse operation. I would understand 3-1 getting the nod over 2-0. But not 2-1 over 2-0.
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 11, 2021 21:15:58 GMT -5
Getting back to who should host, I believe it is because of the the crazy tie breaking system of the PL, not COVID restrictions. DETERMINING A CHAMPIONSHIP HOST A. Head-to-head result, if applicable; B. Best overall winning percentage [minimum of three games played, 4-0 better than 3-0; if one team is 2-C and the other is 1-1, proceed to next step]; MINIMUM 3 GAMES PLAYED. 2-1 beats 2-0 by default. We should not be pissed at Bucknell, except they were strategically smart by bypassing us on 4/3 and playing Lehigh. They knew they won the south, and were hosting win or lose last Saturday once Colgate cancelled. Colgate screwed us. Not enough healthy players? Come on...quiters! Thanks Dog. Although you do understand you aren't required to check any facts before posting. I was outraged by the punitive drive to Bucknell, but the posters who speculated the game location was due to Holy Cross currently being under lockdown made me realize it could be good for the team to escape the campus hot spot on Thursday and only have themselves to worry about before the game.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Apr 11, 2021 21:16:26 GMT -5
Let’s keep the pressure on them! I propose an invasion. We should get at least 1,500 HC supporters together to storm the Lewisburg campus and Christy Mathewson Stadium. Masks required. Vaccine cards clothes-pinned to your shirt recommended.
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 11, 2021 21:24:10 GMT -5
I saw something like that on the news in early January.
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Post by mm67 on Apr 11, 2021 21:33:58 GMT -5
Humbly in my admittedly antiquated, out of touch opinion, the best response to Bucknell's & the PL's insults is HC's response on the field. Kick their butt every which way. Hope the long layoff and long bus ride does not dull our edge. GoCrossGo.
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Post by HC92 on Apr 11, 2021 22:00:06 GMT -5
I don’t know why we’re going to Bucknell and will reserve judgment until I know. But, if they set up a tiebreaker where a 2-0 team goes to a 2-1 team and the 2-0 team has the better record against common opponents, that’s BS. Especially when the 2-0’team was ready to play every week.
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Post by hc87 on Apr 12, 2021 0:38:42 GMT -5
The Patriot League was/is a nice fit for HC (given scholarships) for football but outside of helping the school in admissions for Olympic sports it has been a disaster for HC's brand overall.....we coulda been in the Big East!
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Apr 12, 2021 5:16:16 GMT -5
Getting back to who should host, I believe it is because of the the crazy tie breaking system of the PL, not COVID restrictions. DETERMINING A CHAMPIONSHIP HOST A. Head-to-head result, if applicable; B. Best overall winning percentage [minimum of three games played, 4-0 better than 3-0; if one team is 2-C and the other is 1-1, proceed to next step]; MINIMUM 3 GAMES PLAYED. 2-1 beats 2-0 by default. We should not be pissed at Bucknell, except they were strategically smart by bypassing us on 4/3 and playing Lehigh. They knew they won the south, and were hosting win or lose last Saturday once Colgate cancelled. Colgate screwed us. Not enough healthy players? Come on...quiters! Thank you. Colgate did indeed screw HC. But HC also screwed Colgate when it came to men's soccer. HC cancelled the Colgate game, ensuring HC's place in the four team post-season tournament. (Both teams played only three conference games, the only PL schools to play three games. HC was also the only PL team to not play OOC,) This playoff scenario was almost certainly agreed to by all the football schools before the start of the spring season.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Apr 12, 2021 5:39:36 GMT -5
The Patriot League was/is a nice fit for HC (given scholarships) for football but outside of helping the school in admissions for Olympic sports it has been a disaster for HC's brand overall.....we coulda been in the Big East! Horsefeathers.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Apr 12, 2021 5:47:12 GMT -5
So I went looking at the Colgate board to see how many positives on the football team, other than the one reported. Nada
But this post
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Post by efg72 on Apr 12, 2021 6:17:02 GMT -5
Would think a fair question to ask would be that along with the recent increase (approximate 1% in total) of the student population testing positive -- although does the school report how many students actually display symptoms -- what percentage of students are displaying signs of serious mental health issues (increased anxiety, mental stress, disorders, and the like)? Anybody have any meaningful data on this front whether specific to Holy Cross or even broadly speaking? Who's looking out for the kids? For TD 128 and others looking for mental health/Covid impact info April 01, 2021 01:25 PM bipartisanpolicy.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/BPC_Behavioral-Health-Integration-report_R01.pdfbipartisanpolicy.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/BehavioralHealth_InfographicV6.pdfmhanational.org/issues/state-mental-health-americamhanational.org/covid19mhanational.org/bestemployersmhanational.org/covid-19-and-loneliness-when-it-seems-no-one-careshere are two articles that might be of interest HEALTH On a limb: Despite resistance, a group of researchers is investigating the possibility of a new mental health disorder By Rebecca Sohn April 12, 2021 Reprints SCT illo JANICE CHANG FOR STAT For Abby Williard, school always felt like a slog. Growing up in a small town in central Pennsylvania, Williard couldn’t seem to complete her schoolwork or stop daydreaming in class. Although she has anxiety and depression, she felt like something else was at play. “I would cry in class because I just couldn’t handle it, I couldn’t take it,” she said. At points, Williard gave up on trying to succeed in school: She nearly failed several classes and was so quiet that teachers would sometimes mark her absent. But one day when she was 16, years of confusion gave way to “a huge moment of clarity.” Williard took note as her mother mentioned a file from her school psychologist during a counseling appointment. She watched as her mom handed the file to the social worker to make a copy, then stuck the papers back in her purse. Later that night, Williard rummaged through the purse to find the file, a psychological evaluation from when she was 12. On that file was a mysterious classification, one neither her mother nor her school’s psychologist had since talked to her about: sluggish cognitive tempo. “I had never heard of that my whole life,” Williard, now 19, recalled. Williard sometimes thought that she had ADHD, or attention deficit hyperactivity disorder — though she was never diagnosed — because she had trouble paying attention, but other symptoms, like hyperactivity, didn’t fit her well. As she researched sluggish cognitive tempo, or SCT, online, the symptoms seemed just right: a problem with focusing was there, too, but also daydreaming, slow or “foggy” thinking, and a general lack of energy. “I was just like, oh, my gosh, that makes so much sense,” Williard said. “Everything just started to fall into place.” But SCT is not an officially recognized diagnosis. It’s currently what’s called a clinical construct — a term used in psychology to define a group of behaviors. Since its emergence nearly four decades ago, the study of SCT has been led by a small group of researchers, chief among them a controversial psychologist and ADHD expert who is adamant that SCT is a separate disorder potentially affecting millions of children and adults. If SCT became an official diagnosis, proponents argue, it could make it easier for those with symptoms of the construct to get the help they need, whether that be assistance in school or work or a medication that is more likely to work for them. But many researchers say the study of SCT, which is still in its early stages, can’t yet support a formal diagnosis. Critics dismiss the construct as fatally flawed and argue that SCT is an outgrowth of misdiagnosis of ADHD that could result in many being prescribed inappropriate medications. Addressing long-standing barriers needed for mental and physical health integration The pandemic's negative impact on the mental health of millions of people has renewed discussions around why that nation's behavioral healthcare system has been inadequate to meet the level demand for care. But the failure to meet patients' mental health needs predated the pandemic. Approximately 43% of the more than 51 million adults estimated to have had a mental health condition in 2019 received treatment, according to care access data compiled by Mental Health America. The care gap has prompted calls for healthcare providers to move swiftly toward integrating behavioral healthcare services into primary care. Holistic approaches to physical and mental healthcare have been shown to help identify more patients experiencing a mental health issue and provide them with earlier interventions that can improve outcomes. But that transition has hit financial, labor, regulatory and technological roadblocks. "We have essentially set up two separate delivery systems," said Dr. Harold Pincus, professor and vice chair of the department of psychiatry and co-director of the Irving Institute for Clinical and Translational Research at Columbia University and the New York State Psychiatric Institute. Much of the problem comes down to how behavioral healthcare providers get paid, Pincus said. Low reimbursement has disincentivized behavioral healthcare professionals from participating in insurance networks, which has made it difficult for primary care to refer patients or consult with them on care plans, according to a Bipartisan Policy Center-commissioned report released Wednesday. Most providers still get reimbursed through a fee-for-service model that does not incentivize primary care practitioners to address behavioral health conditions, Pincus said. Also, the low rates of reimbursement for mental healthcare services has led to an increasing number of psychiatrists to not accept insurance. Only 55% of psychiatrists accepted commercial coverage compared to 88% among other medical specialties; 54% of psychiatrists accepted Medicare and 43% took Medicaid for payment. The BPC report called for regulatory changes that provided financial incentives for integrated care delivery under Medicaid and Medicare managed care plans as well as the creation of new capitated models to pay primary care professionals who provide behavioral healthcare services to patients with mild and moderate mental health issues. "It's a symptom of how broken the system has been and how difficult it is to coordinate that we're still trying to figure out these sort of baseline processes," said John Snook, director of government relations and strategic initiatives for the National Association for Behavioral Healthcare. A lack of on-the-ground coordination between medical and behavioral healthcare providers continues to be a major barrier to integration, a problem that has been compounded by shortages in the number of professionals available to meet the demand for services, Snook said. Nationally, more than 50% of U.S. counties do not have a licensed behavioral health provider, according to the Health Resources and Services Administration. The BPC task force recommended the federal government create a technical assistance program for primary care practices to receive the training on delivering integrated care. Other suggestions included expanding Medicare coverage to allow social workers to bill Medicare for chronic care management services. The report called for permanently removing some of the restrictions that limited the use of telehealth services prior to the pandemic. Over the past year, mental health was the leading health condition where telehealth was used, accounting for 44% of all visits. "Expanding telehealth access permanently would eliminate access disparities and address the digital divide," said former New Hampshire Gov. John Sununu, co-chair of the task force. "Telehealth will help treat far more people faster and in their own homes. Removing the telehealth video requirement would also enable those without broadband, video technology, or an understanding of how to use it, to access care from afar." But technological barriers to integration go beyond expanding telehealth. For years there has been limited information sharing between behavioral health and medical providers, with the majority of mental healthcare setting still lacking electronic health record systems with the capabilities to effectively integrate with hospital EHR platforms. BPC's report recommended Congress direct CMS to provide funding to help support the adoption of health information technology within behavioral healthcare settings. Overall, Snook said he was hopeful the report's recommendations would provide policy makers with a path toward addressing some of the longstanding issues that have kept providers from more robustly integrating behavioral and physical health. "That's the real opportunity that we have to seize," Snook said. 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Post by hc6774 on Apr 12, 2021 6:44:10 GMT -5
Bucknell game 'issues' and metal/behavioral heath discussion... right on point?
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Post by efg72 on Apr 12, 2021 7:07:30 GMT -5
Fair point but I offered to respond with some information this morning....
That said the mental side includes Covid fatigue, uncertainty and disappointment in cancellations, and a number of other MH issues, each impacting the players and coaches as they prepare for Bucknell.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Apr 12, 2021 7:35:51 GMT -5
If we can’t stop wearing masks after we’re vaccinated, then we’re completely screwed. I’m not wearing a mask until January of 2025. Just not. That is certainly your choice. I hope you have been vaccinated and that your choice does not impact others. After all the mask is not there for your protection, it is intended to protect others from being infected by you. Vaccination, as I understand from the CDC, does not stop you from being a carrier. My epidemiological expertise, such as it is and dated as it is, is limited to eliminating exposure to alien pathogens potentially existing on the surface of Mars. _______________________________ That said, the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines are about 95 percent effective, after the second shot. That means, even though one is vaccinated, there is still a five percent chance you could become symptomatically infected, but with almost no risk of serious infection. Both Moderna and Pfizer are about 75 percent effective after the first shot. The single shot J&J vaccine is about 70 percent effective. AstraZeneca about 75 percent effective, after the first shot. (AZ is double dose, but the second dose is often being delayed.) The J&J and AZ vaccines have higher efficacy in preventing serious cases of COVID, including hospitalization. (Pfizer's vaccine, in a large Israeli study of health care workers, achieved a 99.95 percent efficacy two weeks after the second shot.) There were calls for delaying the second shot of the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines (and allow more first shots to to be given to more people), but the Federal government (including Fauci) is resisting that, asserting that a person needs the second shot to be sufficiently protected against the variants. Both Moderna and Pfizer appear to retain a high level of efficacy against the UK and Brazilian variants after the second shot, but may be less effective against the South African variant. The NY Times has an interactive graphic, which is updated daily. Based on the current pace of vaccinations, by June 26th, all adults, 18 and older will have received one dose. However, children under 16 are not yet eligible, so children would remain as a reservoir of infection until they too are vaccinated, or acquire immunity from becoming infected. The CDC has said fully vaccinated people pose a low risk to unvaccinated people, and need not wear a mask if the unvaccinated person is at low risk for serious COVID disease. (Don't go maskless when visiting your elderly unvaccinated grandmother who has several co-morbidities.) Vaccinated people meeting with other vaccinated people pose a very low risk of transmission. The June 20th date is when, IMO, the U.S. could theoretically achieve herd immunity for all adults, but not children. However, there are a handful of Southern states where vaccinations are lagging, suggesting widespread resistance to vaccination. Doses provided to these states are underutilized, and sitting in freezers. For example, less than 30 percent of eligible adults have received shots in GA, AL, MS. These states represent potential reservoirs of continuing infection over the summer. In contrast, 51 percent of eligible adults have received at least one shot in NH, 44 percent in CT, 43 percent in MA and ME. (Those percentages are actually slightly higher because 4.4 million shots given to veterans by the VA are not included in the state totals. For the Department of Defense, active duty strength is about 1.5 million. Three million does delivered, 2.3 million doses administered. Under Federal law, DoD cannot mandate that members of the armed forces be vaccinated with a vaccine approved under an emergency use authorization, --all COVID vaccines are EUAs at this time, though several makers are petitioning to replace EUA with a full authorization, and if that were to happen, all members of the armed forces would be vaccinated. ____ I'll stop there before ACTP has a paroxysmal collapse.
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Post by bison137 on Apr 12, 2021 9:44:09 GMT -5
That is certainly your choice. I hope you have been vaccinated and that your choice does not impact others. After all the mask is not there for your protection, it is intended to protect others from being infected by you. Vaccination, as I understand from the CDC, does not stop you from being a _______________________________ That said, the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines are about 95 percent effective, after the second shot. That means, even though one is vaccinated, there is still a five percent chance you could become symptomatically infected, but with almost no risk of serious infection. ____ No. What it really means is that there is a 95% reduction in the infection rate. So if a person prior to the vaccine had a 10% chance of being infected, their chance post vaccination would be 0.5%. In the Moderna and Pfizer trials, a much lower percentage than that actually got Covid after being fully vaccinated.
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Post by ndgradbuthcfan on Apr 12, 2021 9:56:05 GMT -5
I hope very much that you are correct.
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Post by timholycross on Apr 12, 2021 10:16:35 GMT -5
Moreover, the chances of one getting having a serious variety of the disease is greatly diminished for the 0.5%. I find that even more important that those of us unlucky enough to get Covid after vaccination won't be as sick.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Apr 12, 2021 11:21:59 GMT -5
Yet another thread down the abyss...
Anyone want to talk about the actual FB game?
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Post by rgs318 on Apr 12, 2021 11:26:45 GMT -5
That would be fine, once we are sure there will be one.
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Post by td128 on Apr 12, 2021 11:32:47 GMT -5
Thank you efg. I do not mean for this thread to be taken off track. I do think the info relating to mental health implications and a whole host of other issues directly and/or indirectly relating to this health situation are deserving of a separate thread so as to form a repository of info that can be a good reference library so to speak. Just today I read another commentary from the WSJ entitled The High Cost of Isolation addressing in specific detail many of these points relating to mental health. That info might also help those on campus who read this board for informed thoughtful analysis and the formulation of protocols on the issues of the day. Additionally, as a further actual example of this fact is recent news relating to issues connected to our fairer and far more beautiful friends, faithful, and/or family members (is this allowed to be written ) who have taken the vaccine. Not looking to ring any unnecessary alarms but as I think we might all attest from our education atop the hill, Knowledge is Power. Back to football: BEAT BUCKNELL !! Let's Win!!
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Post by gks on Apr 12, 2021 13:04:57 GMT -5
The only explanation IMO as to why this game is at Bucknell is that the Holy Cross administration wanted nothing to do with it.
There is no other explanation that makes any sense.
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Post by cruskater31 on Apr 12, 2021 13:26:54 GMT -5
The Patriot League was/is a nice fit for HC (given scholarships) for football but outside of helping the school in admissions for Olympic sports it has been a disaster for HC's brand overall.....we coulda been in the Big East! Don't get me started on the Big East or now the idea of joining the CAA. Forget Bucknell. JMU here we come!
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Post by football44 on Apr 12, 2021 13:33:42 GMT -5
The only explanation IMO as to why this game is at Bucknell is that the Holy Cross administration wanted nothing to do with it. There is no other explanation that makes any sense. Okay the HC administration has nothing to do with the game not being played at HC. This is strictly on the Patriot League. The league has in their own way systematically screwed HC by cancelling the Colgate game, Bucknell home game and a chance to play Lafayette during those weeks when other teams were cancelling games because of Covid. At the last minute I've learned that the decision came down to we only played 2 games and the supposed rules of the league say that you need to play 3 games. Nice move Patriot League!! So we win our division because we beat Fordham and Colgate cancelled our game because of Covid but that's only 2 games so now we travel to 3 game Bucknell. And still no HC fans allowed at the game. If this wasn't the Patriot League this would be all over ESPN.
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Post by Chu Chu on Apr 12, 2021 15:08:02 GMT -5
I can think of no rational medical pretext for why the parents of one team only can be allowed to enter. Has any explanation been offered?
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Post by rgs318 on Apr 12, 2021 15:41:42 GMT -5
Well, the most important game is to be played in Pennsylvania whenever possible by whatever rules can be invented, isn't it?
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