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Post by gks on Apr 11, 2021 9:32:58 GMT -5
The conversation about the virus and vaccinations is interesting but since this is a football thread: 1. Bucknell payed a game yesterday 2. Bucknell will (presumably) be able to practice this week 3. HC can't practice 4. HC will have to travel to Bucknell for Saturday's game As much as I want the game how does it make sense for this game to be played? If the Holy Cross campus so infected, what is it 35 cases over the last ten days, then they should let the football team practice at an off campus field.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2021 9:35:08 GMT -5
The conversation about the virus and vaccinations is interesting but since this is a football thread: 1. Bucknell payed a game yesterday 2. Bucknell will (presumably) be able to practice this week 3. HC can't practice 4. HC will have to travel to Bucknell for Saturday's game As much as I want the game how does it make sense for this game to be played? These types of conditions and scenarios have existed for all NCAA sports this spring. Teams stuck in quarantine for two weeks, literally jogging in their dorm rooms to maintain fitness, then forced to play against a school the first day out of quarantine who spent the same two weeks practicing without limitations. Regardless of the circumstances, I can guarantee that 100% of the kids in the HC locker room would rather take the field than have the game postponed or cancelled.
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Post by timholycross on Apr 11, 2021 9:54:31 GMT -5
Getting back to the game itself (LOL):
Hopefully some of us will remember these constraints the first time #10 or #6 does something ill-advised next Saturday rather than screaming that he should be summarily replaced.
Ya gotta trust Coach Chesney on this sort of decision.
In a perfect world, I'd run it a lot and do everything I could to shorten the game- I'm concerned about running out of gas especially if it's a warm day.
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Post by blockofgranite on Apr 11, 2021 10:17:20 GMT -5
Hope you guys stay Covid free, HC. If so, you'll take down Bucknell imo. You're the better team to represent us in the playoffs imo.
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Post by rgs318 on Apr 11, 2021 10:26:33 GMT -5
Welcome "blockofgranite." I agree with your sentiment. Perhaps one day Fordham will return to the PL League to everyone's benefit.
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 11, 2021 10:33:31 GMT -5
The mental stress of getting Covid, of feeling guilty you could have spread it eventually ending with a vulnerable person's death, and the worry for the next 60 years if you have sustained organ or neurology damage that could harm you in the future (long Covid) is probably greater for a college student than the frustrations of Covid protocol that keep the student from getting infected.
Plus how can you calculate the psychological "shot in the arm" today's college students will benefit from by following Covid safety rules and emerging from the pandemic uninfected after it's their turn to get the physical shot in the arm? For a clue look to what the greatest generation accomplished after they defeated the depression and then the war.
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Post by efg72 on Apr 11, 2021 10:41:14 GMT -5
I am not panicking but I do want to attend mass, games and have in person school for my grandkids Tested Vaccinated Compliant If you're vaccinated you should be doing all that is open. No need not to . Perhaps in many cases, but vulnerable populations remain more vulnerable. BTW for those removing masks because you have been vaccinated, you are not cured or immune, but you are likely to have added protection While I am more of a policy/political/and in some cases voice on vaccines, DaDominate is an expert epidemiologist and his perspective is probably the one that can shed direct light on these issues.
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Post by HC92 on Apr 11, 2021 10:50:36 GMT -5
If we can’t stop wearing masks after we’re vaccinated, then we’re completely screwed. I’m not wearing a mask until January of 2025. Just not.
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Post by td128 on Apr 11, 2021 10:56:55 GMT -5
The track record of vaccines, especially those not FDA-approved, might cause some to ask a few questions. Why are many in the military currently reluctant to take the Covid vaccine? Likely due to prior experience with the vaccine used for anthrax. ICYMI ptsdlawyers.com/blog/anthrax-vaccine-presents-long-term-effects/I pose these questions not only because Jesuit pursuit of truth compels that we do do but also because they go to the posture the administration takes to managing campus. SMH that our Crusaders will seemingly be afforded two days of practice to prep for the PLC game. IMO, the team deserve better.
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Post by efg72 on Apr 11, 2021 10:57:55 GMT -5
If we can’t stop wearing masks after we’re vaccinated, then we’re completely screwed. I’m not wearing a mask until January of 2025. Just not. I understand, and we are all fatigued! once more receive vaccinations, many recommended restrictions likely will be lifted My point is the vaccines, at this moment in time, are not a get out of jail free card for all environments.
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 11, 2021 10:58:17 GMT -5
If you're vaccinated you should be doing all that is open. No need not to . Perhaps in many cases, but vulnerable populations remain more vulnerable. BTW for those removing masks because you have been vaccinated, you are not cured or immune, but you are likely to have added protection While I am more of a policy/political/and in some cases voice on vaccines, DaDominate is an expert epidemiologist and his perspective is probably the one that can shed direct light on these issues. Do you think there is a positive psychological benefit to remaining compliant through vaccination without getting infected or infecting others? Can it resolve the mental stress of complying with Covid safety protocols? Or is the damage from that shared stress permanent for an 18-22 year old??
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Post by efg72 on Apr 11, 2021 11:04:13 GMT -5
My personal belief, with no medical training, is we will experience mental health issues, especially for those 10-22, for the next 20 years.
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Post by rgs318 on Apr 11, 2021 11:07:04 GMT -5
If we can’t stop wearing masks after we’re vaccinated, then we’re completely screwed. I’m not wearing a mask until January of 2025. Just not. That is certainly your choice. I hope you have been vaccinated and that your choice does not impact others. After all the mask is not there for your protection, it is intended to protect others from being infected by you. Vaccination, as I understand from the CDC, does not stop you from being a carrier.
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Post by efg72 on Apr 11, 2021 11:23:34 GMT -5
The track record of vaccines, especially those not FDA-approved, might cause some to ask a few questions. Why are many in the military currently reluctant to take the Covid vaccine? Likely due to prior experience with the vaccine used for anthrax. ICYMI ptsdlawyers.com/blog/anthrax-vaccine-presents-long-term-effects/I pose these questions not only because Jesuit pursuit of truth compels that we do do but also because they go to the posture the administration takes to managing campus. SMH that our Crusaders will seemingly be afforded two days of practice to prep for the PLC game. IMO, the team deserve better. In excess of 50% of the marines declined and I believe 47% of all military
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Post by efg72 on Apr 11, 2021 11:35:00 GMT -5
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Apr 11, 2021 11:43:01 GMT -5
The conversation about the virus and vaccinations is interesting but since this is a football thread: 1. Bucknell payed a game yesterday 2. Bucknell will (presumably) be able to practice this week 3. HC can't practice 4. HC will have to travel to Bucknell for Saturday's game As much as I want the game how does it make sense for this game to be played? These types of conditions and scenarios have existed for all NCAA sports this spring. Teams stuck in quarantine for two weeks, literally jogging in their dorm rooms to maintain fitness, then forced to play against a school the first day out of quarantine who spent the same two weeks practicing without limitations. Regardless of the circumstances, I can guarantee that 100% of the kids in the HC locker room would rather take the field than have the game postponed or cancelled. No doubt. We are certainly facing an enormous challenge heading into the championship game. However, many men's and women's college sports teams have dealt with the same situation since the beginning of last fall. Let's just hope we are blessed enough to pass COVID protocol and have the privilege to actually take that field! A number of NFL teams had to deal with this as well last year. Imagine playing a game at the highest level in the world and stepping onto the field having only prepared for your opponent via Zoom meetings.
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Post by HC92 on Apr 11, 2021 12:11:13 GMT -5
If we can’t stop wearing masks after we’re vaccinated, then we’re completely screwed. I’m not wearing a mask until January of 2025. Just not. That is certainly your choice. I hope you have been vaccinated and that your choice does not impact others. After all the mask is not there for your protection, it is intended to protect others from being infected by you. Vaccination, as I understand from the CDC, does not stop you from being a carrier. The issue is that what you’re saying could literally last for the rest of all of our lifetimes. At some point, we as a country need to go back to living our lives. I know you and others have specific situations that make all of this more challenging. My father was at risk and died from Covid. I get it. I really do. But we just can’t keep living this way. It’s not healthy for anyone. As for the CDC, they keep harping on the possibility of bad things happening no matter what it is. Maybe that’s the nature of how they do business but there is no evidence that those vaccinated and asymptomatic are still carriers. The most current “well we’re not 100% sure so let’s not let people out of their houses for another few years” advice is this: Although COVID-19 vaccines are effective at keeping you from getting sick, scientists are still learning how well vaccines prevent you from spreading the virus that causes COVID-19 to others, even if you do not have symptoms. Early data show the vaccines do help keep people with no symptoms from spreading COVID-19, but we are learning more as more people get vaccinated.
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Post by HC92 on Apr 11, 2021 12:15:25 GMT -5
The track record of vaccines, especially those not FDA-approved, might cause some to ask a few questions. Why are many in the military currently reluctant to take the Covid vaccine? Likely due to prior experience with the vaccine used for anthrax. ICYMI ptsdlawyers.com/blog/anthrax-vaccine-presents-long-term-effects/I pose these questions not only because Jesuit pursuit of truth compels that we do do but also because they go to the posture the administration takes to managing campus. SMH that our Crusaders will seemingly be afforded two days of practice to prep for the PLC game. IMO, the team deserve better. In excess of 50% of the marines declined and I believe 47% of all military If I was a 22-year-old marine, I probably wouldn’t get it either. As a 50-year-old not quite in marine shape, I chose to get it as my real risk of having serious problems from Covid outweighs for me the potential that the vaccine winds up doing bad things to me at some point in the future.
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 11, 2021 12:21:55 GMT -5
That is certainly your choice. I hope you have been vaccinated and that your choice does not impact others. After all the mask is not there for your protection, it is intended to protect others from being infected by you. Vaccination, as I understand from the CDC, does not stop you from being a carrier. The issue is that what you’re saying could literally last for the rest of all of our lifetimes. At some point, we as a country need to go back to living our lives. I know you and others have specific situations that make all of this more challenging. My father was at risk and died from Covid. I get it. I really do. But we just can’t keep living this way. It’s not healthy for anyone. As for the CDC, they keep harping on the possibility of bad things happening no matter what it is. Maybe that’s the nature of how they do business but there is no evidence that those vaccinated and asymptomatic are still carriers. The most current “well we’re not 100% sure so let’s not let people out of their houses for another few years” advice is this: Although COVID-19 vaccines are effective at keeping you from getting sick, scientists are still learning how well vaccines prevent you from spreading the virus that causes COVID-19 to others, even if you do not have symptoms. Early data show the vaccines do help keep people with no symptoms from spreading COVID-19, but we are learning more as more people get vaccinated. Sorry to hear about your father. He raised a good son.
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Post by HC92 on Apr 11, 2021 12:27:14 GMT -5
Thanks, iongsuffering. He absolutely loved all things HC, especially the sports teams. We started going to games when Pete Muldoon and Gil the Thrill were around and my older brother was looking at colleges. Those were the days.
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Post by football44 on Apr 11, 2021 13:15:31 GMT -5
Heard from a good source that the team will head to Bucknell on Thursday. Give the team some time to work out and rest for a couple of days before Saturday afternoon. One positive to take away is we have gotten some players back who’ve been out with injuries.
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Post by HC92 on Apr 11, 2021 14:23:19 GMT -5
Heard from a good source that the team will head to Bucknell on Thursday. Give the team some time to work out and rest for a couple of days before Saturday afternoon. One positive to take away is we have gotten some players back who’ve been out with injuries. Any word on fans?
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Post by hc2020 on Apr 11, 2021 14:36:47 GMT -5
^ Hearing that no visiting team fans are being allowed to attend. Again, Bucknell allows up to 4 spectators for their players and coaches, but none for the visiting team. Absurd. What an embarrassment for the PL to have its nationally televised championship game with only one team having fans in attendance, and only a handful overall. A truly Mickey-mouse operation.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Apr 11, 2021 14:40:48 GMT -5
That is certainly your choice. I hope you have been vaccinated and that your choice does not impact others. After all the mask is not there for your protection, it is intended to protect others from being infected by you. Vaccination, as I understand from the CDC, does not stop you from being a carrier. The issue is that what you’re saying could literally last for the rest of all of our lifetimes. At some point, we as a country need to go back to living our lives. I know you and others have specific situations that make all of this more challenging. My father was at risk and died from Covid. I get it. I really do. But we just can’t keep living this way. It’s not healthy for anyone. As for the CDC, they keep harping on the possibility of bad things happening no matter what it is. Maybe that’s the nature of how they do business but there is no evidence that those vaccinated and asymptomatic are still carriers. The most current “well we’re not 100% sure so let’s not let people out of their houses for another few years” advice is this: Although COVID-19 vaccines are effective at keeping you from getting sick, scientists are still learning how well vaccines prevent you from spreading the virus that causes COVID-19 to others, even if you do not have symptoms. Early data show the vaccines do help keep people with no symptoms from spreading COVID-19, but we are learning more as more people get vaccinated.COVID can't spread nearly as efficiently if it doesn't have as many suitable hosts. When an unvaccinated person is infected with COVID (whether they are symptomatic or not), the virus is actively reproducing within their system. If an individual is vaccinated (or has antibodies from a previous infection), they no longer serve as a suitable host because antigens are waging war on the virus within their body -- if the vaccine is indeed effective for that person. Stark difference compared to a healthy person who has no symptoms but is walking around for weeks with COVID thriving within them. Once everyone who WANTS the vaccine has RECEIVED the vaccine, it's time for people to be allowed to live fully normal lives. And those uncomfortable doing so can "stay home", socially distance and wear face coverings at their own discretion. Sorry to hear about your dad. I lost an uncle to COVID in February, my mom's youngest brother who would've turned 60 this year. Like most, he also had pre-existing conditions. He'd had a stroke as well as heart issues.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Apr 11, 2021 14:45:01 GMT -5
^ Hearing that no visiting team fans are being allowed to attend. Again, Bucknell allows up to 4 spectators for their players and coaches, but none for the visiting team. Absurd. What an embarrassment for the PL to have its nationally televised championship game with only one team having fans in attendance, and only a handful overall. A truly Mickey-mouse operation. I'm way over being butthurt about not being to see an HC game myself this year but not to allow visiting parents and family members is bananas. At very least, at all games, home and visiting players should get their usual will call allotment (maybe allow 6-8 per player to accommodate those with larger families) and students at the HOME school should be allowed.
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