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Post by Tom on Jun 27, 2022 8:11:57 GMT -5
Div. I has no magic for me. Hope HC athletes never get entangled in NIl. Play for pay professionalized athletes have no place at HC. Hope HC's athletes do not get entangled in play for pay. NIL may force HC & its competitors (PL, IL & others.)to move to Div. III. For me it's all about competition. I will support HC and its teams at any level of competition. Will others make the same commitment to the school? There are levels of NIL I have a summer intern who plays an olympic sport at a MAC school (so not a P-5, but on the higher end of the mid major scale). I asked him shortly after he showed up about NIL. There are a couple of kids on his team who get free sports drinks if they periodically post a picture of themselves using the product. A lot more of that on the football team than his team. He is only aware of one kid on the football team that gets some cash. Everyone else is some sort of good like the energy drink. Everything ties into how many followers an athlete has on social media. Commenting on other posts in this thread, if a D-III athlete figures out a way to get a bunch of followers, no reason that kid might not get some NIL stuff. Same with HC. I would not be surprised to learn that some Crusader with a bunch of followers is already getting a box of Powerbars once a month. Both good and bad, but I don't think HC has an athlete that anyone cares enough about to give much cash
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Post by bfoley82 on Jun 27, 2022 10:17:13 GMT -5
Div. I has no magic for me. Hope HC athletes never get entangled in NIl. Play for pay professionalized athletes have no place at HC. Hope HC's athletes do not get entangled in play for pay. NIL may force HC & its competitors (PL, IL & others.)to move to Div. III. For me it's all about competition. I will support HC and its teams at any level of competition. Will others make the same commitment to the school? There are levels of NIL I have a summer intern who plays an olympic sport at a MAC school (so not a P-5, but on the higher end of the mid major scale). I asked him shortly after he showed up about NIL. There are a couple of kids on his team who get free sports drinks if they periodically post a picture of themselves using the product. A lot more of that on the football team than his team. He is only aware of one kid on the football team that gets some cash. Everyone else is some sort of good like the energy drink. Everything ties into how many followers an athlete has on social media. Commenting on other posts in this thread, if a D-III athlete figures out a way to get a bunch of followers, no reason that kid might not get some NIL stuff. Same with HC. I would not be surprised to learn that some Crusader with a bunch of followers is already getting a box of Powerbars once a month. Both good and bad, but I don't think HC has an athlete that anyone cares enough about to give much cash I have shot D-3 athletes who actually have a modeling career on the side. They will complain if they see a "bad" looking face photo posted of them.
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Post by Tom on Jun 27, 2022 10:51:50 GMT -5
There are levels of NIL I have a summer intern who plays an olympic sport at a MAC school (so not a P-5, but on the higher end of the mid major scale). I asked him shortly after he showed up about NIL. There are a couple of kids on his team who get free sports drinks if they periodically post a picture of themselves using the product. A lot more of that on the football team than his team. He is only aware of one kid on the football team that gets some cash. Everyone else is some sort of good like the energy drink. Everything ties into how many followers an athlete has on social media. Commenting on other posts in this thread, if a D-III athlete figures out a way to get a bunch of followers, no reason that kid might not get some NIL stuff. Same with HC. I would not be surprised to learn that some Crusader with a bunch of followers is already getting a box of Powerbars once a month. Both good and bad, but I don't think HC has an athlete that anyone cares enough about to give much cash I have shot D-3 athletes who actually have a modeling career on the side. They will complain if they see a "bad" looking face photo posted of them. Not a stretch to think those kids have a decent social media following from their modeling, but the numbers might get them some level of NIL
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Post by Crucis#1 on Jun 27, 2022 11:30:55 GMT -5
There are levels of NIL I have a summer intern who plays an olympic sport at a MAC school (so not a P-5, but on the higher end of the mid major scale). I asked him shortly after he showed up about NIL. There are a couple of kids on his team who get free sports drinks if they periodically post a picture of themselves using the product. A lot more of that on the football team than his team. He is only aware of one kid on the football team that gets some cash. Everyone else is some sort of good like the energy drink. Everything ties into how many followers an athlete has on social media. Commenting on other posts in this thread, if a D-III athlete figures out a way to get a bunch of followers, no reason that kid might not get some NIL stuff. Same with HC. I would not be surprised to learn that some Crusader with a bunch of followers is already getting a box of Powerbars once a month. Both good and bad, but I don't think HC has an athlete that anyone cares enough about to give much cash I have shot D-3 athletes who actually have a modeling career on the side. They will complain if they see a "bad" looking face photo posted of them. Wonder if they will still be complaining about an image of them, when they turn 50, with bald heads and pot bellies. What a bunch of narcissistic crybabies. They should realize they have first world problems, and be thankful they have an opportunity to spend their youth chasing a ball around a field or court, instead of being in a foxhole or wondering if they will have a morsel to eat this week. Maybe the idea of universal community service after high school for those that are physically able is not such a bad idea. It could provide a level of maturity to these characters, and maybe the urge to jump into the portal at the least perceived slight about playing time would be diminished. Now back to reality..... 🤔😊.
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Post by bfoley82 on Jun 27, 2022 11:32:48 GMT -5
I have shot D-3 athletes who actually have a modeling career on the side. They will complain if they see a "bad" looking face photo posted of them. Not a stretch to think those kids have a decent social media following from their modeling, but the numbers might get them some level of NIL Exactly...her numbers are pretty good on social media.
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Post by mm67 on Jun 27, 2022 12:20:06 GMT -5
Years ago the great RB Hugh McElhenny stated he was illegally compensated by folks associated with the U of Washington. In fact alums demanded he get compensated to recruit him to attend the school. The university obliged. He later related he took a pay cut when he entered the NFL. Under the table payoffs have played a large part in college sports since at least the 1930's. The NIL is merely bringing past common practices out into the open. HC does not have to accept pay to play. And, my hope is that HC never does.
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Post by sader1970 on Jun 27, 2022 12:38:51 GMT -5
I may very well be misunderstanding NIL but it was my understanding that the NIL's most likely source is totally independent from the college or university and mostly coming from the local car dealership, maybe Miss Woo or Coney Island hot dogs, the O'Connor's Restaurant & Bar under new management, perhaps alums/boosters,
Holy Cross is almost assuredly not going to be involved directly nor could they stop a student-athlete from accepting an NIL.
Someone set me straight if my understanding is incorrect.
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Post by bfoley82 on Jun 27, 2022 13:24:17 GMT -5
I may very well be misunderstanding NIL but it was my understanding that the NIL's most likely source is totally independent from the college or university and mostly coming from the local car dealership, maybe Miss Woo or Coney Island hot dogs, the O'Connor's Restaurant & Bar under new management, perhaps alums/boosters, Holy Cross is almost assuredly not going to be involved directly nor could they stop a student-athlete from accepting an NIL. Someone set me straight if my understanding is incorrect. You would be correct but boosters have money.... bleacherreport.com/articles/10040029-jaden-rashada-reportedly-agreed-to-95m-nil-contract-with-miami-booster-john-ruiz
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Post by sader1970 on Jun 27, 2022 14:15:40 GMT -5
So good to hear. Now I can send some money to Jake Dobbs or Derek Ng or Pat Haughney (he said sarcastically)
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Post by mm67 on Jun 27, 2022 14:46:24 GMT -5
No doubt NIL does provide cover for the universities to seek out boosters/alums to sign athletes to sign lucrative in some cases NIL contracts. It still is pay to play. My hope is HC never allows it for its student athletes. I expect I am a lost voice in the wilderness. Lawyers formerly called ambulance chasers are advertising as per the Sup Ct, MD's too. We are following a business model in more previously sacrosanct areas of life. Next the New Testament will be rewritten as a business plan. Peace.
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Post by sader1970 on Jun 27, 2022 14:50:03 GMT -5
While I agree with your thought, it is also my understanding that Holy Cross now has no authority to stop a student-athlete from getting an NIL payoff since it is sanctioned by the NCAA. Moral suasion would seem to be the only defense and I'm not sure how effective that would/can be.
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Post by mm67 on Jun 27, 2022 15:10:19 GMT -5
While I agree with your thought, it is also my understanding that Holy Cross now has no authority to stop a student-athlete from getting an NIL payoff since it is sanctioned by the NCAA. Moral suasion would seem to be the only defense and I'm not sure how effective that would/can be. Yup. I thought of this as soon as I stopped writing. I guess its inevitable and it sickens me. NIL would apply to non-scholarship, DIVII, III, IV, V ad infinitum. I hate the thought of HC student-athletes receiving NIL cash. Maybe, our guys are professionals because their educational expenses are covered by the school. Isn't to the same? Nah. Peace. MM
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jun 27, 2022 16:08:16 GMT -5
It is, indeed, inevitable that NiL will grow and grow and come to the Patriot League and to conferences down the pecking order from there. Ask yourself this: would you pay $50 to help HC sign, retain, or reward a great RB, QB, DT, PG, LHP? Well if you’d pay $50 you can be sure someone else would pay $500 or $5000 or more. If HC or other PL schools don’t participate in NIL but one or two PL schools do it could be like when HC had hoop schollies and other conference members did not. No team/coach will be content to sit back and get pummeled
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jun 27, 2022 19:51:59 GMT -5
Years ago the great RB Hugh McElhenny stated he was illegally compensated by folks associated with the U of Washington. In fact alums demanded he get compensated to recruit him to attend the school. The university obliged. He later related he took a pay cut when he entered the NFL. Under the table payoffs have played a large part in college sports since at least the 1930's. The NIL is merely bringing past common practices out into the open. HC does not have to accept pay to play. And, my hope is that HC never does. I didn’t realize that Hugh Mc passed away last week. I recall that it was always said he was one of the best-ever broken field runners. RIP
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Post by mm67 on Jun 27, 2022 20:21:58 GMT -5
McElhenny was one of the best-ever, truly amazing.
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Post by bfoley82 on Jun 28, 2022 0:10:35 GMT -5
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 28, 2022 14:31:40 GMT -5
There will be a lot of bling on their sideline when they visit Fitton Field in December.
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Post by bfoley82 on Jul 2, 2022 21:21:30 GMT -5
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Post by bfoley82 on Jul 8, 2022 13:38:34 GMT -5
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Post by Crucis#1 on Jul 8, 2022 14:49:37 GMT -5
Kind of puzzling regarding Tennis. Hartford eliminated Tennis after the 2016 season, and removed the courts. They also do not have a Field Hockey suitable playing surface, and do not have a Ice Hockey Rink on campus. hartfordhawks.com/sports/mens-tennis/archives
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Post by longsuffering on Jul 8, 2022 14:57:48 GMT -5
Kind of puzzling regarding Tennis. Hartford eliminated Tennis after the 2016 season, and removed the courts. They also do not have a Field Hockey suitable playing surface, and do not have a Ice Hockey Rink on campus. hartfordhawks.com/sports/mens-tennis/archives They are tap dancing in response to the reaction of this division change nobody wanted.
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Post by bfoley82 on Jul 8, 2022 18:51:18 GMT -5
Kind of puzzling regarding Tennis. Hartford eliminated Tennis after the 2016 season, and removed the courts. They also do not have a Field Hockey suitable playing surface, and do not have a Ice Hockey Rink on campus. hartfordhawks.com/sports/mens-tennis/archives You don't have to have a Field Hockey turf facility at D-3. Most schools play on Fieldturf.
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Post by alum on Jul 9, 2022 6:23:02 GMT -5
There are many many FULL PAY D3 quality hockey players out there with no place to play who would jump at the chance to spend their parent’s money for a chance to play “cawlidge hawkey.” I’m not sure where they will play, perhaps in Simsbury, but this could be a good move.
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Post by bfoley82 on Jul 13, 2022 9:23:03 GMT -5
Salve just jumped to the NEWMAC
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Post by timholycross on Jul 13, 2022 16:48:52 GMT -5
The CCC probably had a feeling they'd be leaving and picked up Hartford. But now they only have 6 football playing members, not sure if that's a problem at D3.
From a "fine institution" (copyright Bob Fouracre) standpoint, I'd opt for NEWMAC, nice move by Salve.
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