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Post by HC92 on Apr 12, 2021 13:39:23 GMT -5
While there is no mention of it on the HC Football home page, if you go to our schedule, it actually says we are playing at Bucknell for the PL Championship on Saturday at 2:00. Let’s assume in this thread that the game will happen as planned. HC should be favored even on the road given our respective performances against Fordham. Biggest football-related questions heading into the game will be whether we are fully healthy, what impact the long lay-off will have and who will play how many snaps at QB.
Prediction: HC 31 Bucknell 14
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Post by td128 on Apr 12, 2021 13:52:42 GMT -5
Sent this message to the Bucknell AD, Jermaine Truax:
Sir,
As the founder and past chair of the Friends of Crusader Football, I have had the great good fortune of interacting with a host of fellow Holy Cross Crusader alumni and many other like-minded outstanding alumni and officials from fellow Patriot League schools.
I am writing to you today at the behest of the parents of the Crusader football team. They are beyond pained at the prospects of not being able to attend to watch their sons compete this Saturday against Bucknell in Lewisburg, PA.
I appreciate that we are living through challenging times but there comes a point where not only common sense but also wholesome and decent social interaction should no longer take a back seat in the fashion that you are implementing your policy on attendance.
While some venues in our country are now allowing full attendance with no restrictions, others are still maintaining meaningful restrictions with attendance limited to 10% to 35% or thereabouts. Aside from Bucknell, though, I have seen not one venue that is so blatantly biased and bold as to deny admission to family members of an opposing team while allowing the parents of Bucknell student-athletes to attend.
I certainly hope that you will amend this policy in very short order so that I might share news of that change to the parents of the Crusaders.
To not do so would be a new low in the annals of the Patriot League and intercollegiate athletics. I hope and trust we do not need to go there in terms of sharing that new low with the many Crusaders in major media outlets. That would not be a pleasant endeavor but given that our Crusader parents deserve to watch this game in person while obeying all appropriate measures, I am not going to sit idly by and have their basic rights trampled on in this fashion.
Please do the right thing.
Thank you for your consideration.
Larry Doyle '83 Friends of Crusader Football
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Apr 12, 2021 14:39:41 GMT -5
LARRY! LARRY! LARRY! LARRY!
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Post by football44 on Apr 12, 2021 14:58:03 GMT -5
Sent this message to the Bucknell AD, Jermaine Truax: Sir,
As the founder and past chair of the Friends of Crusader Football, I have had the great good fortune of interacting with a host of fellow Holy Cross Crusader alumni and many other like-minded outstanding alumni and officials from fellow Patriot League schools.
I am writing to you today at the behest of the parents of the Crusader football team. They are beyond pained at the prospects of not being able to attend to watch their sons compete this Saturday against Bucknell in Lewisburg, PA.
I appreciate that we are living through challenging times but there comes a point where not only common sense but also wholesome and decent social interaction should no longer take a back seat in the fashion that you are implementing your policy on attendance.
While some venues in our country are now allowing full attendance with no restrictions, others are still maintaining meaningful restrictions with attendance limited to 10% to 35% or thereabouts. Aside from Bucknell, though, I have seen not one venue that is so blatantly biased and bold as to deny admission to family members of an opposing team while allowing the parents of Bucknell student-athletes to attend.
I certainly hope that you will amend this policy in very short order so that I might share news of that change to the parents of the Crusaders.
To not do so would be a new low in the annals of the Patriot League and intercollegiate athletics. I hope and trust we do not need to go there in terms of sharing that new low with the many Crusaders in major media outlets. That would not be a pleasant endeavor but given that our Crusader parents deserve to watch this game in person while obeying all appropriate measures, I am not going to sit idly by and have their basic rights trampled on in this fashion.
Please do the right thing.
Thank you for your consideration.
Larry Doyle '83 Friends of Crusader Football And so everyone knows I followed up with the AD as well and he basically threatened to have any and ALL HC fans removed from the Bucknell Stadium on policy. Welcome to the Patriot League
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Post by HC92 on Apr 12, 2021 15:07:08 GMT -5
Definitely doesn’t have to be this way but I don’t think there’s a snowball’s chance in heck that Bucknell will allow visiting fans. Hopefully we can repay the favor one day soon after we kick the crap out them on Saturday.
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Post by hc87 on Apr 12, 2021 15:33:05 GMT -5
Just curious, but how do they know fans are "Bucknell fans?" Is there just a will-call booth where one gets their ticket for the game and only Bucknell fans have access to them?
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Post by HC92 on Apr 12, 2021 15:36:24 GMT -5
Just curious, but how do they know fans are "Bucknell fans?" Is there just a will-call booth where one gets their ticket for the game and only Bucknell fans have access to them? Bucknell students and faculty have IDs for admittance. Only other fans allowed are friends and family of players and staff who will presumably be on a will call list.
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Post by gks on Apr 12, 2021 15:47:29 GMT -5
The most ridiculous thing is that if you ask Mr. Truax the rationale behind this policy he, nor anyone at Bucknell, can give you a valid reason.
We should be well-beyond this point.
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Post by Ignutz on Apr 12, 2021 16:20:37 GMT -5
I’m confident that Coach Chesney is utilizing this ridiculous snub as motivation. I hope we break their scoreboard.
Take no prisoners, and and hoist the trophy AGAIN!
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Apr 12, 2021 17:27:09 GMT -5
Run it up.
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Post by hc2020 on Apr 12, 2021 17:39:28 GMT -5
Larry: Thanks for sending this message. I suggest you forward tour communication to Coach Chesney, including your report of how it was received by the Bucknell AD. This would make for some great bulletin board material and a very inspiring pregame speech to our team.
I for one hope that we destroy them on their home field and send a strong message that they are pretenders, not contenders. Go HC!!
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Post by hc2020 on Apr 12, 2021 17:46:09 GMT -5
At this point, the only appropriate response is to completely humiliate Bucknell on national TV.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Apr 12, 2021 18:15:53 GMT -5
Bucknell fans should be banned from Fitton and Hart for all contests during the 2021-2022 academic year.
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Post by football44 on Apr 12, 2021 18:55:12 GMT -5
Larry: Thanks for sending this message. I suggest you forward tour communication to Coach Chesney, including your report of how it was received by the Bucknell AD. This would make for some great bulletin board material and a very inspiring pregame speech to our team. I for one hope that we destroy them on their home field and send a strong message that they are pretenders, not contenders. Go HC!! He’s aware of the situation.
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Post by res on Apr 12, 2021 18:58:16 GMT -5
At this point, the only appropriate response is to completely humiliate Bucknell on national TV. Humiliate away, before the "national" TV audience. Just keep in mind that there aren't five people on the Bucknell campus that give a rat's ass where this game is played. Also keep in mind that this is a game being played by a team that has played a grand total of two games against a team that has played three. All for the glory of a somewhat spurious league championship. I mean, I get the competitive fever, but the the level of outrage leaves me a bit baffled.
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Post by thecrossisback on Apr 12, 2021 18:59:05 GMT -5
Let's destroy them!!!!!!!!
Bucknell Athletic department with their nose in the air!
NCAA hockey indoors in Pittsburgh had 25% capacity.
Outdoors at Bucknell and no HC parents can go!
The Bucknell AD knows more HC fans would go then the fans in those ugly orange sweaters.
Someone needs to spill some purple paint on that Bison statue.
Go Cross Go!!!!!!!
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Post by dharry13 on Apr 12, 2021 19:09:10 GMT -5
I don't think it's just the board that's outraged. I think we'd all agree in Chesney's interview last week that's about as outraged as he's going to publicly get. I think we could all tell from the undertone he was pissed off.
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Post by td128 on Apr 12, 2021 20:39:05 GMT -5
We received a quick, "thank you but not happening" from AD Truax. No reason to enter into a debate with him so I welcome elevating the fight by writing to the Bucknell pres and copy the league officials in the process.
As I wrote to the Bucknell president, I can't help but thinking of the scene from Animal House in which the character (somebody can help me here) states, "I'm not going to stand by and allow you to insult the United States of America." Too funny but my writing is done in a very serious fashion for the parents of our Crusaders.
President Bravman,
I would assume that your Athletic Director Jermaine Trumax does not set attendance policy but rather implements the policy that is ultimately set by you and your staff. To that end, I am compelled to share the exchange below that I had with AD Truax earlier today.
As an avid supporter of Holy Cross Crusader Football, I am writing on behalf of the parents of the Crusader players who under your policy will not be allowed to attend the game this Saturday while the parents of your Bucknell players will be allowed to attend.
Think about that.
I am not going to debate the whys and wherefores of your policy. If you care to respond in an attempt to make some degree of sense to this inherently biased policy, I am sure many among the Holy Cross faithful would like to hear from you. I will simply state that from my vantage point, your policy is a stark example of the blatant exercise of controls in today's society that defy the inherent goodness and camaraderie that formerly defined intercollegiate athletics within the Patriot League.
I hope you will appreciate and respect the very essence of this league and accede to the wishes of the Holy Cross team parents to attend the game in person while respecting all the proper rules and regulations connected to this current health situation.
If you were to defy those wishes, I am hard pressed not to think that this inherently un-American stance should bring reason to no longer call the league the Patriot League but rather the un-Patriot League. I will allow those within the League Offices to ponder the branding of the league by that moniker and welcome copying them on this message.
I wish that I never had reason to write to you but on behalf of the parents of the Crusader Football team. I hope you might understand the error of your ways and welcome their attendance this Saturday. Think of it, with approximately 250 people in attendance spread across a 60 yard width of stands and assumed 30 to 40 rows, the spread of Crusader fans would take the phrase "social distancing" to an entirely new level.
Do the right thing. To not do so would be a new low in the annals of the Patriot League and intercollegiate athletics. I hope and trust we do not need to go there in terms of sharing that new low with the many Crusaders in major media outlets. That would not be a pleasant endeavor but given that our Crusader parents deserve to watch this game in person while obeying all appropriate measures, I am not going to sit idly by and have their basic rights trampled on in this fashion.
Regards,
Larry Doyle '83 Friends of Crusader Football
#America and #PatriotLeague
or
#unAmerican and #unPatriotLeague
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Post by bfoley82 on Apr 12, 2021 22:17:30 GMT -5
Sent this message to the Bucknell AD, Jermaine Truax: Sir,
As the founder and past chair of the Friends of Crusader Football, I have had the great good fortune of interacting with a host of fellow Holy Cross Crusader alumni and many other like-minded outstanding alumni and officials from fellow Patriot League schools.
I am writing to you today at the behest of the parents of the Crusader football team. They are beyond pained at the prospects of not being able to attend to watch their sons compete this Saturday against Bucknell in Lewisburg, PA.
I appreciate that we are living through challenging times but there comes a point where not only common sense but also wholesome and decent social interaction should no longer take a back seat in the fashion that you are implementing your policy on attendance.
While some venues in our country are now allowing full attendance with no restrictions, others are still maintaining meaningful restrictions with attendance limited to 10% to 35% or thereabouts. Aside from Bucknell, though, I have seen not one venue that is so blatantly biased and bold as to deny admission to family members of an opposing team while allowing the parents of Bucknell student-athletes to attend.
I certainly hope that you will amend this policy in very short order so that I might share news of that change to the parents of the Crusaders.
To not do so would be a new low in the annals of the Patriot League and intercollegiate athletics. I hope and trust we do not need to go there in terms of sharing that new low with the many Crusaders in major media outlets. That would not be a pleasant endeavor but given that our Crusader parents deserve to watch this game in person while obeying all appropriate measures, I am not going to sit idly by and have their basic rights trampled on in this fashion.
Please do the right thing.
Thank you for your consideration.
Larry Doyle '83 Friends of Crusader Football Lowell did NOT allow in Vermont family and friends this weekend at Men's or Women's Lax. They allowed in Lowell parents and guests with some students. The Vermont parents literally stood in the parking lot looking through the fences....So you might want to amend your email about not allowing family members to attend.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Apr 12, 2021 23:06:11 GMT -5
^
Wut???
Did you read what Larry wrote? He spoke of the OPPOSING teams families.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Apr 12, 2021 23:31:27 GMT -5
I found these comments on the Bucknell Board from BisonRoadWarrior and Bison 137 regarding the attendance policy for football games.
04-09-21 08:14 AM - Post#323066 In response to BisonRoadWarrior
BisonRoadWarrior Said:
Meanwhile, Bucknell isn't allowing visiting Fordham fans this weekend, which is a little embarrassing.
Bison137:
“I am not embarrassed at all. Remember that all of Bucknell‘s teams have been one Covid test away from possibly being shut down. Further, back in mid-February there was a real danger that the entire school would be shut down and have to go remote because of Covid. Thus when they approved allowing a limited number of spectators at games, the objective was to keep everything very controlled.
Lehigh and Lafayette have rules very similar to Bucknell, where only a few spectators are allowed and none from the visiting team. Fordham and Colgate don’t allow any spectators at all. Georgetown opted to not even have football. Only holy cross allows a few family members from the visiting team to attend.
Bucknell’s attendance rules for football allow only a few family members per player - those who are following COVID protocols - plus some students/staff who are being frequently tested for COVID by Bucknell. The players’ family members are not allowed to get closer than 15 feet to any player or coach at any time before, during, or after the game, and families must be socially distanced at all times. Masks are mandatory at all times. Also no tailgating is allowed and no food is allowed inside the stadium. Family members are also not allowed to enter any buildings on campus.”
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 12, 2021 23:39:59 GMT -5
I found these comments on the Bucknell Board from BisonRoadWarrior and Bison 137 regarding the attendance policy for football games. 04-09-21 08:14 AM - Post#323066 In response to BisonRoadWarrior BisonRoadWarrior Said: Meanwhile, Bucknell isn't allowing visiting Fordham fans this weekend, which is a little embarrassing. Bison137: “I am not embarrassed at all. Remember that all of Bucknell‘s teams have been one Covid test away from possibly being shut down. Further, back in mid-February there was a real danger that the entire school would be shut down and have to go remote because of Covid. Thus when they approved allowing a limited number of spectators at games, the objective was to keep everything very controlled. Lehigh and Lafayette have rules very similar to Bucknell, where only a few spectators are allowed and none from the visiting team. Fordham and Colgate don’t allow any spectators at all. Georgetown opted to not even have football. Only holy cross allows a few family members from the visiting team to attend. Bucknell’s attendance rules for football allow only a few family members per player - those who are following COVID protocols - plus some students/staff who are being frequently tested for COVID by Bucknell. The players’ family members are not allowed to get closer than 15 feet to any player or coach at any time before, during, or after the game, and families must be socially distanced at all times. Masks are mandatory at all times. Also no tailgating is allowed and no food is allowed inside the stadium. Family members are also not allowed to enter any buildings on campus.” I glanced at the Bucknell board earlier this evening also. Activity is a shadow of our board.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Apr 12, 2021 23:55:29 GMT -5
Just curious, but how do they know fans are "Bucknell fans?" Is there just a will-call booth where one gets their ticket for the game and only Bucknell fans have access to them? I would believe that access is through electronic ticketing application or platform, similar to an airline boarding pass. My tickets for the Holy Cross vs Yale game on September 21, 2019, at the Yale Bowl, were delivered via email that allowed scannable entry from a smart phone. Electronic ticketing allows the ability to maintain social distance on entry vs paper tickets being scanned by personnel at the gate. From discussions before the pandemic, and reading the Five Year Strategic Plan, HC will be implementing a mobile first electronic ticketing solution. As mobile devices are now the preferred method of commerce for an ever increasing device savvy population, expect the “Will Call “ booth at sporting events to be analogous to the pay telephone booth on a street corner.
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Post by bfoley82 on Apr 13, 2021 0:29:21 GMT -5
^ Wut??? Did you read what Larry wrote? He spoke of the OPPOSING teams families. Did you read what I wrote? Lowell literally did the same thing as Bucknell and has had that policy for two weeks. So, it isn't unheard of.
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Post by bfoley82 on Apr 13, 2021 0:30:51 GMT -5
Just curious, but how do they know fans are "Bucknell fans?" Is there just a will-call booth where one gets their ticket for the game and only Bucknell fans have access to them? I would believe that access is through electronic ticketing application or platform, similar to an airline boarding pass. My tickets for the Holy Cross vs Yale game on September 21, 2019, at the Yale Bowl, were delivered via email that allowed scannable entry from a smart phone. Electronic ticketing allows the ability to maintain social distance on entry vs paper tickets being scanned by personnel at the gate. From discussions before the pandemic, and reading the Five Year Strategic Plan, HC will be implementing a mobile first electronic ticketing solution. As mobile devices are now the preferred method of commerce for an ever increasing device savvy population, expect the “Will Call “ booth at sporting events to be analogous to the pay telephone booth on a street corner. My Belmont Stakes tickets back in 2019 were electronic...so the tech has been around for a decent amount of time.
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