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Post by longsuffering on Apr 13, 2021 11:39:08 GMT -5
I just hope it does not set a precedent that in the fall (5 months from now) HC fans will not be able to travel to these PL games. I don't think this is a move for Bucknell to gain competitive advantage. It's one of many attempts to balance safety and access that doesn't hit the target. Home teams sell tickets, parking, refreshments and souvenirs to visiting fans so teams that "travel well" are generally always welcome. The vaccine should be universally available in the fall to hopefully allow fans.
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Post by bigfan on Apr 13, 2021 11:42:21 GMT -5
Time to tell the Patriot League to go and "Pound Sand"
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Post by WCHC Sports on Apr 13, 2021 12:01:05 GMT -5
So Bucknell wanted to keep any and all outsiders to a minimum during COVID? HC just had an outbreak that shut down all athletics except for this game, and paused the whole campus, but Bucknell should let HC fans attend the game? Bucknell gets to claim safety and at the same time, keep out any opposing fans when they have a chance to upset HC for a "league title" on their home field? Some of it may be gamesmanship, some of it perhaps illogical, and some of it out of an abundance of caution... and we want to write the national media about it? What would the story be? "Venue keeps spectators out because of COVID?" The earth would have run out of ink if there was a national news story published for every time that's happened over the last 13 months. Argue you don't agree with the science-- that we're all outdoors, that we'll be seated sparsely, that we have the vaccine-- that COVID is a hoax-- whatever you want. There are countless places and municipalities that have been either overly cautious or draconian in their handling of the situation depending on your political view. Add Bucknell to that endless list. What's left is to not whine about it. Watch it on TV, root for the Crusaders to win (as we would all do anyway), and settle any scores on the field. I think what the league should have done is tell Bucknell they can have as many or as few people outside the student and staff bubble as they want for this game. But, whatever that number is, it needs to be split equally between the two teams in a league championship game. This makes particular sense, if you care at all about fairness, in this unique season where the league has taken away games from HC and then used the fact that we had only played two games as the reason to make Bucknell the host. A good suggestion to achieve some element of "fairness," as you mentioned. However, the League doesn't seem to be interested in fairness (the game is being played at Bucknell instead of at HC-- played more games, did better too, no?) as much as they are in safety in some relative (not absolute) terms.
Perhaps some parallel is MLB. If the Yankees play a game in Arlington against the Rangers, they'll play in front of a full house, packed with fans. The Yankees travel well with fans, but let's put that aside for a second-- assume the majority of the screaming masses are Rangers fans. Then, that same matchup is played in the Bronx where Cuomo/DiBlasio said that the Stadium can only be filled 10% or 20% with fans. Who had a a better home field "advantage" as far as fans go? Is MLB allowed to supersede local and state authorities to regulate fairness for the competition? COVID trumps all these days.
Now, if the MLB, a Major Four organization with tons of resources and history at their disposal-- regardless of the capabilities of the current commissioner-- can't mandate such things, what makes you think the Pennsylvania Academics League (PL for sure) would do so for this game?
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Apr 13, 2021 13:05:05 GMT -5
Hmm....is there something going on under the surface here ? Was it ever explained how Bucknell got to host ? FWIW, I'm getting vibes that HC maybe isn't on perceived equal footing at league's HQ nor amoung the Pennsy brotherhood. BTW, what has our AD said about this bunk ? Who gets to play in the championship: Who gets to host With Colgate flopping, Holy Cross didn't play the minimum number of games, so HC never got to C. D., or E. If HC had played and beaten Colgate, then C. would be skipped because there was no common non-divisional opponent, HC beat Lehigh, Bucknell lost to Fordham. Which would get D, which HC would have won, assuming a victory over Colgate. If HC had lost Colgate, HC would still have advanced given its win over Fordham head to head.
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Post by HC92 on Apr 13, 2021 13:35:38 GMT -5
I think what the league should have done is tell Bucknell they can have as many or as few people outside the student and staff bubble as they want for this game. But, whatever that number is, it needs to be split equally between the two teams in a league championship game. This makes particular sense, if you care at all about fairness, in this unique season where the league has taken away games from HC and then used the fact that we had only played two games as the reason to make Bucknell the host. A good suggestion to achieve some element of "fairness," as you mentioned. However, the League doesn't seem to be interested in fairness (the game is being played at Bucknell instead of at HC-- played more games, did better too, no?) as much as they are in safety in some relative (not absolute) terms.
Perhaps some parallel is MLB. If the Yankees play a game in Arlington against the Rangers, they'll play in front of a full house, packed with fans. The Yankees travel well with fans, but let's put that aside for a second-- assume the majority of the screaming masses are Rangers fans. Then, that same matchup is played in the Bronx where Cuomo/DiBlasio said that the Stadium can only be filled 10% or 20% with fans. Who had a a better home field "advantage" as far as fans go? Is MLB allowed to supersede local and state authorities to regulate fairness for the competition? COVID trumps all these days.
Now, if the MLB, a Major Four organization with tons of resources and history at their disposal-- regardless of the capabilities of the current commissioner-- can't mandate such things, what makes you think the Pennsylvania Academics League (PL for sure) would do so for this game?
The PL would not be telling Bucknell how many fans they can have from outside of their campus bubble. They’d be telling Bucknell that the spots Bucknell feels safe with need to be split equally with HC for a title game recognizing that Bucknell would still have many more fans assuming students and faculty decide to show up. The PL precedent for this exists in basketball where the visiting team needs to be allocated some fairly healthy percentage of the available tickets.
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Post by hc2020 on Apr 13, 2021 13:46:03 GMT -5
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Post by WCHC Sports on Apr 13, 2021 14:42:13 GMT -5
A good suggestion to achieve some element of "fairness," as you mentioned. However, the League doesn't seem to be interested in fairness (the game is being played at Bucknell instead of at HC-- played more games, did better too, no?) as much as they are in safety in some relative (not absolute) terms.
Perhaps some parallel is MLB. If the Yankees play a game in Arlington against the Rangers, they'll play in front of a full house, packed with fans. The Yankees travel well with fans, but let's put that aside for a second-- assume the majority of the screaming masses are Rangers fans. Then, that same matchup is played in the Bronx where Cuomo/DiBlasio said that the Stadium can only be filled 10% or 20% with fans. Who had a a better home field "advantage" as far as fans go? Is MLB allowed to supersede local and state authorities to regulate fairness for the competition? COVID trumps all these days.
Now, if the MLB, a Major Four organization with tons of resources and history at their disposal-- regardless of the capabilities of the current commissioner-- can't mandate such things, what makes you think the Pennsylvania Academics League (PL for sure) would do so for this game?
The PL would not be telling Bucknell how many fans they can have from outside of their campus bubble. They’d be telling Bucknell that the spots Bucknell feels safe with need to be split equally with HC for a title game recognizing that Bucknell would still have many more fans assuming students and faculty decide to show up. The PL precedent for this exists in basketball where the visiting team needs to be allocated some fairly healthy percentage of the available tickets.
I'm on the same side as you, so I don't mean to go back and forth, but in effect I believe the PL is doing just that-- telling Bucknell how many fans they can have from outside their campus bubble-- if they mandate that HC fans be allowed in. If the venue was open as it was five years ago (and hopefully will be five years from now but who knows at this point), then the league seems to have a good leg to stand on to mandate that opportunity. So long as Bucknell or any institution is standing on pretense with respect to the pandemic, and attendance is limited, Bucknell can always tell the league that their fans stand to suffer and be left out too-- and the fans that ARE let in pose the least/no threat to anybody else.
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Post by HC92 on Apr 13, 2021 14:58:50 GMT -5
The PL would not be telling Bucknell how many fans they can have from outside of their campus bubble. They’d be telling Bucknell that the spots Bucknell feels safe with need to be split equally with HC for a title game recognizing that Bucknell would still have many more fans assuming students and faculty decide to show up. The PL precedent for this exists in basketball where the visiting team needs to be allocated some fairly healthy percentage of the available tickets.
I'm on the same side as you, so I don't mean to go back and forth, but in effect I believe the PL is doing just that-- telling Bucknell how many fans they can have from outside their campus bubble-- if they mandate that HC fans be allowed in. If the venue was open as it was five years ago (and hopefully will be five years from now but who knows at this point), then the league seems to have a good leg to stand on to mandate that opportunity. So long as Bucknell or any institution is standing on pretense with respect to the pandemic, and attendance is limited, Bucknell can always tell the league that their fans stand to suffer and be left out too-- and the fans that ARE let in pose the least/no threat to anybody else.
if you say we agree, then I’m happy. All I’m trying to say is that Bucknell has elected to invite 400 people to campus for the game who are not Bucknell students, faculty or staff and thus not part of the bubble they’ve created there with regular testing and whatever else they’re doing. The league should have made it a condition of hosting the game that 200 of the 400 people allowed into the stadium be from HC families. I know there’s no science behind most of this but there’s really no science behind the idea that, if there are two Dads from NJ coming to the game, the one rooting for HC is more likely to spread Covid than the one rooting for Bucknell.
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Post by WCHC Sports on Apr 13, 2021 15:15:32 GMT -5
I think you nail it with your last sentence. I think Bucknell is using COVID as an excuse to limit liability and complaints if something were to go wrong and everyone at the game got sick. It would be a better look if they said "we only let in OUR bubble and their close family as an exception" than opening it up to HC. If it also keeps the noisy opponents' fans out too, then that's an added benefit.
Relying on the PL to do any sort of strong governance or leadership on this-- related to the actual game and fans-- and not on things like the list of books players have to read before they lace 'em up, is a fool's errand.
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Post by Ray on Apr 13, 2021 15:27:04 GMT -5
Believe me, I'm not unsympathetic to the HC plight here. But does anyone really believe it's Bucknell trying to scrape out some competitive advantage here? 200 HC fans in the stands isn't worth anything on the field.
Bucknell's president and AD have a responsibility to their campus community, not to HC's parents. Like it or not, it's their prerogative to decide that the risk of piercing their campus "bubble" with outsiders from HC is a bridge they don't want to cross.
And the "two dads coming from New Jersey" angle doesn't really hold... for the reason that Bucknell has some leverage over those parents by way of their kids. They can identify all of the ticket recipients in advance, and remind them (for instance) that any violations of social distancing rules, etc., on behalf of the guests could lead to their kid getting quarantined, kicked off campus, whatever they want to say. They have no such leverage over HC fans.
Again, I'm not unsympathetic, so no need to flame me. But maybe after all the difficulty in even getting to this point, we should just be happy the game is being played, and stop obsessing over fans in the stands.
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Post by HC92 on Apr 13, 2021 15:53:25 GMT -5
Believe me, I'm not unsympathetic to the HC plight here. But does anyone really believe it's Bucknell trying to scrape out some competitive advantage here? 200 HC fans in the stands isn't worth anything on the field. Bucknell's president and AD have a responsibility to their campus community, not to HC's parents. Like it or not, it's their prerogative to decide that the risk of piercing their campus "bubble" with outsiders from HC is a bridge they don't want to cross. And the "two dads coming from New Jersey" angle doesn't really hold... for the reason that Bucknell has some leverage over those parents by way of their kids. They can identify all of the ticket recipients in advance, and remind them (for instance) that any violations of social distancing rules, etc., on behalf of the guests could lead to their kid getting quarantined, kicked off campus, whatever they want to say. They have no such leverage over HC fans. Again, I'm not unsympathetic, so no need to flame me. But maybe after all the difficulty in even getting to this point, we should just be happy the game is being played, and stop obsessing over fans in the stands. Almost none of this holds water but I will honor your request not to flame you.
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 13, 2021 16:42:36 GMT -5
If Bucknell called HC and said "We used the same safety formula we devised for regular season games and we respected the protocol of our opponents for our regular season road games. But we didn't focus on this being the league championship game. We're not comfortable adding new fans but to be fair we are willing to prohibit all spectators...if you want us to."
Would HC say "Nah, we don't want to ruin your fans' plans, we got some great motivation out of this, let's have a hell of a game?"
I suspect that's the root of this fan imbalance: Bucknell not adequately considering the different obligations a league championship host has compared to a regular season host.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Apr 13, 2021 18:19:57 GMT -5
You must still have a flip phone ny. Wrong. But I do have a scrapbook where I save all of my ticket stubs. I just love the classic stub, even the pre-smart phone Stubhub printouts I didnt/dont like.
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Post by HC92 on Apr 13, 2021 19:00:03 GMT -5
You must still have a flip phone ny. Wrong. But I do have a scrapbook where I save all of my ticket stubs. I just love the classic stub, even the pre-smart phone Stubhub printouts I didnt/dont like. Same thing except mine are all in envelopes by year. My kids were pretty impressed when they saw how many random games I’ve been to over the years.
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Post by Ignutz on Apr 13, 2021 19:01:05 GMT -5
Believe me, I'm not unsympathetic to the HC plight here. But does anyone really believe it's Bucknell trying to scrape out some competitive advantage here? 200 HC fans in the stands isn't worth anything on the field. Bucknell's president and AD have a responsibility to their campus community, not to HC's parents. Like it or not, it's their prerogative to decide that the risk of piercing their campus "bubble" with outsiders from HC is a bridge they don't want to cross. And the "two dads coming from New Jersey" angle doesn't really hold... for the reason that Bucknell has some leverage over those parents by way of their kids. They can identify all of the ticket recipients in advance, and remind them (for instance) that any violations of social distancing rules, etc., on behalf of the guests could lead to their kid getting quarantined, kicked off campus, whatever they want to say. They have no such leverage over HC fans. Again, I'm not unsympathetic, so no need to flame me. But maybe after all the difficulty in even getting to this point, we should just be happy the game is being played, and stop obsessing over fans in the stands. I agree with Ray, and will take it a step further. While I’m sure that our lads would love to play in front of their parents, etc., a couple hundred ‘Sader fans really won’t make a difference. What WILL make a difference is the coaching staff reminding our guys that they had to go on the road - despite convincing wins, and that Bucknell refused to allow even a single HC supporter to attend. I liked our boys before all this nonsense, but I like them even more with a chip on their collective shoulder on Saturday. Take no prisoners, Show no mercy, Make us proud (AGAIN), and Give the trophy on a nice long bus ride to the Woo.
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Post by HC92 on Apr 13, 2021 19:02:17 GMT -5
If Bucknell called HC and said "We used the same safety formula we devised for regular season games and we respected the protocol of our opponents for our regular season road games. But we didn't focus on this being the league championship game. We're not comfortable adding new fans but to be fair we are willing to prohibit all spectators...if you want us to." Would HC say "Nah, we don't want to ruin your fans' plans, we got some great motivation out of this, let's have a hell of a game?" I suspect that's the root of this fan imbalance: Bucknell not adequately considering the different obligations a league championship host has compared to a regular season host. I definitely don’t think Bucknell thought twice about it. They made their plans a few months ago. It would require some work to modify them and they didn’t give it a second thought because it doesn’t help them to do it. I was actually pretty happy when I saw HC include the Fordham parents and thought it was a classy thing to do.
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 13, 2021 19:11:05 GMT -5
Wrong. But I do have a scrapbook where I save all of my ticket stubs. I just love the classic stub, even the pre-smart phone Stubhub printouts I didnt/dont like. Same thing except mine are all in envelopes by year. My kids were pretty impressed when they saw how many random games I’ve been to over the years. A well spent youth.
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Post by HCFC45 on Apr 13, 2021 20:09:25 GMT -5
Article from tonight (Tuesday) in the Telegram...
All we need is us.' Chesney optimistic Holy Cross will be able to continue PL title quest
COVID-19 restrictions have prohibited all in-person activities since April 9
Jennifer Toland
Telegram & Gazette
Holy Cross football coach Bob Chesney is hopeful his team can resume proper preparation for Saturday's Patriot League title game. The restrictions Holy Cross put into place last Friday in response to COVID-19 cases among students have not significantly affected the HC football team, which will play for the Patriot League championship Saturday at Bucknell, coach Bob Chesney said Tuesday, and he is optimistic the Crusaders will resume their regular preparations as they vie for a second straight league title. Holy Cross prohibited all in-person activities, including athletic games, competitions and practices, from 6 p.m. April 9 until at least Wednesday due to an outbreak of more than 40 positive COVID-19 cases on campus last week. The college will re-evaluate the situation Wednesday. “We’re feeling really good,” Chesney said, “and I think we’ll be back to normal here, which is great.” The Crusaders last practiced last Thursday. Friday was a scheduled off day. HC canceled its on-field conditioning for Saturday, and players did their quarantine lift program in their rooms Sunday. Monday was also an off day. “In the end,” Chesney said, “it was not a huge loss.” Holy Cross (2-0) claimed the Patriot League’s North Division title and Bucknell (2-1) the South Division crown. Bucknell was determined the site for Saturday’s game because, according to league rules, there is a three-game minimum threshold to be eligible to host the championship. The Crusaders have not played since March 27, when they beat Fordham, 34-24, in their only home game of the season. HC’s previously scheduled matchup against Bucknell on April 3 was canceled in the league’s effort to prioritize divisional play, and last weekend’s game at Colgate was canceled due to a positive COVID-19 test within the Raiders’ Tier 1. “Again,” Chesney said, “I just commend our young men. These guys have sacrificed quite a bit, and I think our guys are doing such a phenomenal job.” Spectator policies for this spring’s Patriot League regular-season and championship games are determined by the host institution’s policies. Bucknell allows up to four family members of its players and coaches, as well as Bucknell students, staff and faculty who are participating in on-campus COVID-19 testing to attend outdoor athletic events on campus, with up to 20 percent of a venue’s maximum occupancy permitted. “We’re not in the business of trying to tell people how to run their protocols,” Chesney said. “It’s not up to us. We’re just excited to have this opportunity to play. Obviously, they’ll have their fans and we won’t, but that makes it even more what we’ve been talking about this whole time and it’s really going to allow us to figure out if what we said, ‘All we need is us,’ we’re going to find out if that holds true or not. “It would be nice and we would love to have the parents (of our players) there,” Chesney said, “and if this is their son’s last game I think it would only be fair, but it’s not my decision and I think we’ll just deal with what we have to deal with when we get there.”
Junior placekicker Derek Ng was named All-Patriot League first team.
Kudos to Crusaders
Freshman quarterback Matthew Sluka, who helped key HC’s comeback win over Fordham, was named Patriot League Rookie of the Year, and 15 Crusaders earned All-Patriot League honors. Sluka rushed for 151 yards on 13 carries. He ran for a pair of touchdowns and passed for another in the win over Fordham. Senior offensive lineman Brian Foley was one of six HC players named to the All-Patriot League first team. Joining him were junior placekicker Derek Ng, senior defensive lineman Benton Whitley, sophomore linebacker Jacob Dobbs, junior defensive back John Smith and senior special teamer Macklin Kortebein. Earning second-team honors were junior running back Peter Oliver of Auburn, sophomore wide receiver Ayir Asante, junior offensive lineman Nick Olsofka, sophomore kick returner Tyler Purdy, senior defensive lineman Jordan Jackson, junior defensive lineman Dan Kuznetsov, senior defensive back Grant Holloman and sophomore punter Patrick Haughney.
—Contact Jennifer Toland at jennifer.toland@telegram.com. Follow her on Twitter @jentandg.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Apr 13, 2021 20:35:26 GMT -5
If Bucknell called HC and said "We used the same safety formula we devised for regular season games and we respected the protocol of our opponents for our regular season road games. But we didn't focus on this being the league championship game. We're not comfortable adding new fans but to be fair we are willing to prohibit all spectators...if you want us to." Would HC say "Nah, we don't want to ruin your fans' plans, we got some great motivation out of this, let's have a hell of a game?" I suspect that's the root of this fan imbalance: Bucknell not adequately considering the different obligations a league championship host has compared to a regular season host. I definitely don’t think Bucknell thought twice about it. They made their plans a few months ago. It would require some work to modify them and they didn’t give it a second thought because it doesn’t help them to do it. I was actually pretty happy when I saw HC include the Fordham parents and thought it was a classy thing to do. Bucknell's priority, as is Holy Cross', is to complete an on-campus semester. (And let's not overlook that Bucknell was on-campus for fall semester, when HC largely wasn't.) Bucknell doesn't test with the same frequency that Holy Cross does. Bucknell does less than 3,000 tests a week, Holy Cross does 6,500-7000 tests. When I looked at Bucknell in the fall, their test lab was in Virginia, not 45 minutes down the Mass pike, so I expect Bucknell does not get test results as quickly as HC does. the frequency and timeliness may be contributing factors in Bucknell having substantially more cases than Holy cross. Bucknell has had about double the number of student positive cases this semester as Holy Cross has had. On one day in mid-February, Bucknell had 43 positive cases, Holy Cross has never had 43 positive cases in a week; the peak week for HC was last week at 37, which brought on the lockdown. On April 12, Bucknell had over 80 students in isolation, Holy Cross had about half that n umber. I've always thought that Lewisburg had two industries, Bucknell and the Federal Penitentiary. Prisons are hotbeds of COVID cases, Last week the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania reported 19 staff workers at the penitentiary tested positive. When the two main industries in an otherwise rural county are ongoing COVID clusters, that complicates decision-making. So I can readily see the TPTB at Bucknell trying to hold this all together, and its far easier to be rigid rather than flexible in such situations. HC was similarly rigid this week, not making exceptions for vaccinated students As it is, I'm very confident that HC parents will get to watch their sons play on April 24th.
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Post by HC92 on Apr 13, 2021 23:09:57 GMT -5
From PP’s post above:
3. DETERMINING A CHAMPIONSHIP HOST
A. Head-to-head result, if applicable; B. Best overall winning percentage [minimum of three games played, 4-0 better than 3-0; if one team is 2-2 and the other is 1-1, proceed to next step]; C. Record versus common non-divisional opponents; D. Point differential (cap 20 points per game) – all League games; E. Draw or coin flip by Commissioner (conducted on Zoom).
Does the mean that if one team plays 4 games and one plays 2 and they have the same winning percentage, you go to the next tiebreaker? But if one team plays 3 games and one plays 2, the team with the worse winning percentage gets the home game? That seems to make no sense.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Apr 14, 2021 7:17:16 GMT -5
From PP’s post above: 3. DETERMINING A CHAMPIONSHIP HOST A. Head-to-head result, if applicable; B. Best overall winning percentage [minimum of three games played, 4-0 better than 3-0; if one team is 2-2 and the other is 1-1, proceed to next step]; C. Record versus common non-divisional opponents; D. Point differential (cap 20 points per game) – all League games; E. Draw or coin flip by Commissioner (conducted on Zoom). Does the mean that if one team plays 4 games and one plays 2 and they have the same winning percentage, you go to the next tiebreaker? But if one team plays 3 games and one plays 2, the team with the worse winning percentage gets the home game? That seems to make no sense. Even worse, HC would have apparently been better off losing one more game to be 2-1 and hosting due to tie breakers than just being 2-0. Might as well have just made it a coin toss to determine the host rather than these ferkakta rules.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Apr 14, 2021 7:24:49 GMT -5
From PP’s post above: 3. DETERMINING A CHAMPIONSHIP HOST A. Head-to-head result, if applicable; B. Best overall winning percentage [minimum of three games played, 4-0 better than 3-0; if one team is 2-2 and the other is 1-1, proceed to next step]; C. Record versus common non-divisional opponents; D. Point differential (cap 20 points per game) – all League games; E. Draw or coin flip by Commissioner (conducted on Zoom). Does the mean that if one team plays 4 games and one plays 2 and they have the same winning percentage, you go to the next tiebreaker? But if one team plays 3 games and one plays 2, the team with the worse winning percentage gets the home game? That seems to make no sense. JT's interview with BC confirmed the minimum three games explanation. >A team that is 4-0 will host a team that is 3-0. >A team that is 2-1 will host a team that is 2-2 (better percentage). >If both teams were 2-1, and DID NOT PLAY EACH OTHER, then best record against a common non-division opponent.. Example. HC beat Fordham, Bucknell lost to Fordham. HC would host. (HC would have had to lose to Colgate, and beat Lehigh. Bucknell would have had to beat Lafayette and Lehigh.) . If one team plays four games and is 4-0 and the other team is 2-0, the 4-0 team hosts. because a team that is 2-0 or 1-0 cannot host as it did not play a minimum of three games. If HC played only one game, and was 1-0 (beat Fordham), would you argue it should still host on the basis of winning percentage, even f the other team was 3-1 (beat Fordham, beat Colgate, lost to Lafayette, beat Lehigh)?
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Post by bringbackcaro on Apr 14, 2021 7:30:50 GMT -5
From PP’s post above: 3. DETERMINING A CHAMPIONSHIP HOST A. Head-to-head result, if applicable; B. Best overall winning percentage [minimum of three games played, 4-0 better than 3-0; if one team is 2-2 and the other is 1-1, proceed to next step]; C. Record versus common non-divisional opponents; D. Point differential (cap 20 points per game) – all League games; E. Draw or coin flip by Commissioner (conducted on Zoom). Does the mean that if one team plays 4 games and one plays 2 and they have the same winning percentage, you go to the next tiebreaker? But if one team plays 3 games and one plays 2, the team with the worse winning percentage gets the home game? That seems to make no sense. JT's interview with BC confirmed the minimum three games explanation. >A team that is 4-0 will host a team that is 3-0. >A team that is 2-1 will host a team that is 2-2 (better percentage). >If both teams were 2-1, and DID NOT PLAY EACH OTHER, then best record against a common non-division opponent.. Example. HC beat Fordham, Bucknell lost to Fordham. HC would host. (HC would have had to lose to Colgate, and beat Lehigh. Bucknell would have had to beat Lafayette and Lehigh.) . If one team plays four games and is 4-0 and the other team is 2-0, the 4-0 team hosts. because a team that is 2-0 or 1-0 cannot host as it did not play a minimum of three games. If HC played only one game, and was 1-0 (beat Fordham), would you argue it should still host on the basis of winning percentage, even f the other team was 3-1 (beat Fordham, beat Colgate, lost to Lafayette, beat Lehigh)? There should have two amendments to the rules: 1) If one team would have improved their standing by losing an additional game (HC, in this case), that team is the host 2) If one school is going to enact a mickey mouse rule that allows their families/fans to attend, but bars opposing families/fans from attending, that school does not get to be the host.
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Post by HC92 on Apr 14, 2021 8:22:58 GMT -5
From PP’s post above: 3. DETERMINING A CHAMPIONSHIP HOST A. Head-to-head result, if applicable; B. Best overall winning percentage [minimum of three games played, 4-0 better than 3-0; if one team is 2-2 and the other is 1-1, proceed to next step]; C. Record versus common non-divisional opponents; D. Point differential (cap 20 points per game) – all League games; E. Draw or coin flip by Commissioner (conducted on Zoom). Does the mean that if one team plays 4 games and one plays 2 and they have the same winning percentage, you go to the next tiebreaker? But if one team plays 3 games and one plays 2, the team with the worse winning percentage gets the home game? That seems to make no sense. JT's interview with BC confirmed the minimum three games explanation. >A team that is 4-0 will host a team that is 3-0. >A team that is 2-1 will host a team that is 2-2 (better percentage). >If both teams were 2-1, and DID NOT PLAY EACH OTHER, then best record against a common non-division opponent.. Example. HC beat Fordham, Bucknell lost to Fordham. HC would host. (HC would have had to lose to Colgate, and beat Lehigh. Bucknell would have had to beat Lafayette and Lehigh.) . If one team plays four games and is 4-0 and the other team is 2-0, the 4-0 team hosts. because a team that is 2-0 or 1-0 cannot host as it did not play a minimum of three games. If HC played only one game, and was 1-0 (beat Fordham), would you argue it should still host on the basis of winning percentage, even f the other team was 3-1 (beat Fordham, beat Colgate, lost to Lafayette, beat Lehigh)? Thanks but my point was that the rules you quoted use an example where a 1-1 team might host a 2-2 team in the championship. If that’s true, the alleged three game minimum isn’t really a thing.
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Post by hc2020 on Apr 14, 2021 8:34:30 GMT -5
HC is reverting back to Yellow status, which is good news:
Dear Holy Cross Community, Yesterday we confirmed four new positive cases, (two external cases, and two from our on-campus testing). Of the four new cases, only one of them was not already in quarantine. Given the steep decline in cases and continuous improvements in capacity at the hotel, and in no small part thanks to the efforts of our campus community to stop and control the spread, we feel confident that we can safely resume Yellow alert level operations effective immediately. Most operations will shift to Yellow as of this email, though some may need a little extra time to ramp up: • The Jo will reopen tomorrow, Thursday April 15. Schedule your time slots now on myHC. • Sit down dining will resume today at noon at all facilities normally open during Yellow. • In person classes can resume as soon as faculty are able to do so. Faculty members will be in touch with students to let them know when their in-person classes will resume. Please note that this only applies to cases that were already in person. • Athletics teams can resume practices and competitions as soon as they are able. • It may take a few hours for staff members to unlock every study space. We can’t understate the role students had in reducing this alert status. Thank you for doing your part. Don’t let up. We have a month to go, and it will take all of us being diligent about physical distancing and mask wearing to get through this #HCTogether. Sincerely, COVID Core Team
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