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Post by bfoley82 on Jul 28, 2021 9:21:17 GMT -5
Back to Back tweets from Kevin McCarthy
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Post by hcpride on Jul 28, 2021 9:50:59 GMT -5
There is a concern in some quarters that the new CDC recommendations for masking the fully vaccinated (in all k-12 schools and various indoor spaces) directly undercuts messaging on the efficacy of the vaccine. It will absolutely discourage the hesitant from getting vaccinated. The "You get to take off your mask if you get vaccinated" carrot can no longer be dangled. The anti-vax crowd that's already hesitant about getting the vaccine isn't going to get it if the perceived rewards for getting it are no longer there. It's insane that both mask-wearing and receiving a vaccine that could not only save your life but the lives of others are at this point wholly politicized. In NY, you have people that continue to wear masks OUTDOORS simply because they don't want to "look like Trump supporters". It's all about looking woke to them. And in pockets of the deep South, you have people who had no issues getting vaccines their whole life, refusing to get this one. And beyond that, the average hesitant fella is saying after hearing the recent re-mask guidance , “If the vaccine is so great why do I need to wear a mask AFTER I’m fully vaccinated. Maybe it ain’t so great. I’ll pass.”
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Post by rgs318 on Jul 28, 2021 9:53:44 GMT -5
Well,I got the vaccine because I believe that having a milder form of the infection is preferable to a ventilator, hospitalization and/or death. But that may just be me. (PS: I also do not want politicians to be. mali9ng medical decisions for me. I can't think of a worse group to "count on" regarding health issues.
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Post by hcpride on Jul 28, 2021 9:58:16 GMT -5
Well, I believe that having a milder form of the infection is preferable to a ventilator, hospitalization and/or death. But that may just be me. Understood. BUT you’re not focusing on the average vaccine hesitant fella. If you’re selling him on the vaccine, telling him he’ll have to mask up AFTER vaccinating undercuts your message on how great and effective the vaccine is. (You have your vaccine. The government is trying to get the unvaccinated to go out and get a vaccine…given the data concerning the vaccinated folks and their minuscule role in spreading covid this ‘mask the vaccinated’ notion is a self defeating message.)
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Post by rgs318 on Jul 28, 2021 10:06:50 GMT -5
Think the $100 per shot that NYC is starting will help?
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Post by hcpride on Jul 28, 2021 10:11:23 GMT -5
CDC could say: “We blew it yesterday. Of course the vaccinated don’t need to mask up. Unvaccinated should mask up. Get the shot, lose the mask.”
A few of the wiser state pols will probably say something along those lines.
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Post by efg72 on Jul 28, 2021 10:28:51 GMT -5
If you agree with Kevin or disagree with him, it doesn't matter.
Unfortunately, the messaging delivered by the government is confusing the heck out of the targeted audience. All messaging should focus on getting those unvaccinated to move to the front of the line and receive the shot(s)! If the data used is correct, let's start with the medical and medical support teams in hospitals that appear to have 30% of the team unvaccinated.
Address the populations that continue to be the most vulnerable and find the right spokespersons for those groups. It clearly can't be from the messengers we are using today-- we long for the days of Dr. Koop and his comforting approach and the wisdom he brought to the table. They need to find messengers the people trust to deliver the positive reasons to get vaccinated, and so far, it doesn't come from the current or past Administration.
In a conversation last Friday with the CMO at CDC, they don't know why people are hesitant to get the vaccine. I suggested once the FDA feels comfortable with the data and gives final approval for the vaccines, you likely will see a chunk of those unvaccinated get the shot.
The remainder of those unvaccinated will need to be convinced by their doctors, social workers, family, friends, faith-based leaders, and others that those individuals trust. Giving all illegals crossing the southern border a vaccine before processing them into the country and transferring them to some unknown neighborhood near each of us will also help. I have heard some say that if they don't need the vaccine, why should I take it? Just another case of confusing messaging and the government not leading.
And, of course, some will never get the vaccine.
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Post by longsuffering on Jul 28, 2021 10:33:38 GMT -5
I for one appreciate the heads up from my government that I can increase the effectiveness of the vaccine by donning a mask in crowded indoor settings.
Think of it as a poor man's booster shot.
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Post by efg72 on Jul 28, 2021 10:49:10 GMT -5
I for one appreciate the heads up from my government that I can increase the effectiveness of the vaccine by donning a mask in crowded indoor settings. Think of it as a poor man's booster shot. Masks, handwashing, social distancing, vaccines are all tools that need to be used, I do think government is confusing those that are vaccinated, and more importantly, those they are trying to get vaccinated. But then again whether we get vaccinated or not, we all look at this through our own lens and make individual decisions.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Jul 28, 2021 10:56:08 GMT -5
Wouldn’t the effectiveness of the annual flu vaccine be increased by wearing a mask indoors during the winter?
Seems like a reason to continue to cover to prevent respiratory infections.
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Post by hcpride on Jul 28, 2021 11:03:49 GMT -5
I for one appreciate the heads up from my government that I can increase the effectiveness of the vaccine by donning a mask in crowded indoor settings. Think of it as a poor man's booster shot. Yes, if you add an N95 Mask on top of the vaccine you reduce the (already very low) chances of getting covid as a breakthrough case. Staying home and alone while vaccinated would further reduce the odds. A very poor man’s booster shot? Gov’t has no business mandating either for the vaccinated. But people should be free to choose these options.
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Post by timholycross on Jul 28, 2021 11:10:30 GMT -5
Wouldn’t the effectiveness of the annual flu vaccine be increased by wearing a mask indoors during the winter? Seems like a reason to continue to cover to prevent respiratory infections. Sure, might even do it some times. Just don't make me.
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Post by Tom on Jul 28, 2021 11:31:57 GMT -5
Back to Back tweets from Kevin McCarthy I find this very wrong. Ignoring for a moment the federal government wasn't making anyone where masks (it was all state and local governments). The statement that the Biden administration is doing this just muddies the waters. The CDC is supposedly not supporting or opposing political agendas. There's a reason Dr Fauci has been doing his job forever. Different agency, but same concept. A scientist who happens to be on the payroll. Complaining about the CDC recommendations eroding confidence in the vaccine is a reasonable point of discussion. Saying it's the Biden administration doing it erodes confidence in every word that comes out. Ideally both sides of the aisle should not be suggesting that the CDC is just parroting what the White House says. Maybe more people would get shots if our leaders didn't need to twist every conversation into a political ploy to make the other side look bad
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Post by Crucis#1 on Jul 28, 2021 11:42:02 GMT -5
Wouldn’t the effectiveness of the annual flu vaccine be increased by wearing a mask indoors during the winter? Seems like a reason to continue to cover to prevent respiratory infections. Sure, might even do it some times. Just don't make me. If you went to Catholic grammar school in the 1950’s or 1960’s, sound like you must have been a challenge for the Nuns. 😊 My second grade teacher, Sr. Maria, in her bizarre mind, would had fun getting you to comply to her orders. 😂
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jul 28, 2021 11:42:39 GMT -5
Think the $100 per shot that NYC is starting will help? No. In lieu of ongoing stimulus checks, the Biden administration should offer something like a $2,000 Federal income tax rebate for anyone who got vaccinated in 2021. Maybe some of the states with low vaccination rates should put this on the table. After all, most of the states with low vax rates are states that believe in the low-tax, small government philosophy. So I'm sure those state govs can afford to give some money back to the people.
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Post by bfoley82 on Jul 28, 2021 11:54:48 GMT -5
Wouldn’t the effectiveness of the annual flu vaccine be increased by wearing a mask indoors during the winter? Seems like a reason to continue to cover to prevent respiratory infections. Well they do in Asia without issues...No clue why you would ever go to a CVS or Wal-Greens without one on. 40-50 percent of people in there are probably sick with something.
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Post by efg72 on Jul 28, 2021 11:58:47 GMT -5
Wouldn’t the effectiveness of the annual flu vaccine be increased by wearing a mask indoors during the winter? Seems like a reason to continue to cover to prevent respiratory infections. Crucis I could make a compelling case for vulnerable populations to wear a mask when taking public transportation, sitting in arenas etc., Just not sure that after centuries of living open and freely that many would follow that guidance. But then again, Covid has changed the way we look at health and prevention so you might be right
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jul 28, 2021 12:45:08 GMT -5
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Post by longsuffering on Jul 28, 2021 14:43:51 GMT -5
Think the $100 per shot that NYC is starting will help? No. In lieu of ongoing stimulus checks, the Biden administration should offer something like a $2,000 Federal income tax rebate for anyone who got vaccinated in 2021. Maybe some of the states with low vaccination rates should put this on the table. After all, most of the states with low vax rates are states that believe in the low-tax, small government philosophy. So I'm sure those state govs can afford to give some money back to the people. I'm rich! The printing press melted but if they can get it running again I'll take the $2 grand.😊
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jul 28, 2021 16:42:54 GMT -5
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jul 28, 2021 16:43:46 GMT -5
Wouldn’t the effectiveness of the annual flu vaccine be increased by wearing a mask indoors during the winter? Seems like a reason to continue to cover to prevent respiratory infections. Well they do in Asia without issues...No clue why you would ever go to a CVS or Wal-Greens without one on. 40-50 percent of people in there are probably sick with something. I definitelt think one good thing that will come out of this crisis is that SOME people will consciously wear masks in public when they know theyre sick and contagious with sonething. And employers will encourage those under the weather to work from home for the time. I definitely plan on wearing masks around others in the future if I know Im sick. Common decency.
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Post by hcpride on Jul 28, 2021 17:01:04 GMT -5
The British gloom and doom 'experts' fabulously swung and whiffed on that prediction. I'd guess a combo of natural immunity and vaccine immunity meant the highly transmissible (but not necessarily more virulent) Delta variant had slim pickings and is essentially fizzling. Given our own natural immunity and vaccine immunity amongst our vulnerable population, one imagines we are not heading into anything resembling the apocalyptic hospitalization/death predictions of our own gloom and doom 'experts'.
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Post by mm67 on Jul 28, 2021 17:07:33 GMT -5
The British gloom and doom 'experts' fabulously swung and whiffed on that prediction. I'd guess a combo of natural immunity and vaccine immunity meant the highly transmissible (but not necessarily more virulent) Delta variant had slim pickings and is essentially fizzling. Given our own natural immunity and vaccine immunity amongst our vulnerable population, one imagines we are not heading into anything resembling the apocalyptic hospitalization/death predictions of our own gloom and doom 'experts'. From your mouth to God's ear. I pray that you are correct.
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Post by efg72 on Jul 28, 2021 17:28:18 GMT -5
This is what this delta crisis is about- never let a crisis go that might deliver your agenda- paraphrase of my good but crazy friend from Chicago
Fortunate to review UK and Swiss data today- about to be violently ill!
Sanders Says He Was Told He Has Votes to Pass Budget Resolution By Erik Wasson and Se Young Lee / July 28, 2021 06:19PM ET / Bloomberg First Word Senate Budget Committee Chairman Bernie Sanders tells reporters there are 50 Democratic votes to pass a budget resolution next week.
“As I understand it, next week we’re going to have 50 votes in order to pass a $3.5 trillion budget resolution, the reconciliation bill, as I understand that is probably not going to be voted on, until September,” Sanders says NOTE: Biden Looks to Corral Democrats on $3.5 Trillion Senate Plan (3)
Btw this is not a political comment, but one based on friendships and years of relationships on both sides of the aisle
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Post by timholycross on Jul 28, 2021 19:12:31 GMT -5
"You don't have to wear a mask if you're vaccinated" said Kamala Harris today, a vaccinated person wearing a mask.
As a chef once said in a Three Stooges episode: "This place has sure gone crazy".
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