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Post by mm67 on Aug 14, 2021 21:51:10 GMT -5
Had family born in the US but relocated to Canada and adopted Canadian citizenship. There were many reasons for their decision (not the Vietnam War).And, they overwhelmingly did prefer the medical care in Canada. Show your Gov't medical ID card and that was it. One integrated system of payments, med records and meds. Elective care did take time as it does here. Primary care is emphasized. Needed care was done quickly and efficiently without delays. Family members derisively laughed at the propaganda and misinformation in the US about their health care system. One area of concern was the high taxes required to pay for the system. Have been told that France has a superior system with more benefits such as extensive home care as needed. The US does have great physicians and top flight facilities. However it is extremely expensive and needlessly complicated.There is a problem with doctor burn out. Meds are crazy.Big Pharma spends more on advertising (Payoffs to buy media silence?) than on research, much of which is paid for by the US taxpayer. Access is a huge problem. Canada control by the elected gov't. US control by for-profit insurance.
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Post by efg72 on Aug 15, 2021 8:30:15 GMT -5
Coronavirus Daily: Can Vaccinated People Spread Delta? By Kristen V Brown | August 15, 2021 7:30AM ET
In this week's edition of the Covid Q&A, we look at how contagious the delta variant is for vaccinated people. In hopes of making this very confusing time just a little less so, each week Bloomberg Prognosis is picking one question sent in by readers and putting it to experts in the field. This week's question comes to us from Julie in San Francisco. Julie asks:
How likely is it for a vaccinated person to catch delta and pass it on to another vaccinated person?
As the delta variant spreads rapidly throughout the U.S. and our Covid-19 rates climb, this question has been the subject of much discussion. It’s clear that breakthrough cases are happening, and to a certain extent, that was to be expected. No vaccine is 100% effective. That’s why it’s important for everyone to get vaccinated. The fewer hosts available to a virus, the less likely it is to spread.
The question now is whether those breakthrough cases are happening more frequently than we expected.
The short answer, says Monica Gandhi, an expert in infectious disease at the University of California, San Francisco, is that the jury is still out.
“We don’t’ know exactly how likely it is for a vaccinated person to catch delta and pass it on to a vaccinated person,” she says. “But the risk is likely very small.”
Gandhi says there has been a lot of confusing messaging. For example, take the outbreak in Provincetown, Massachusetts, which garnered a lot of attention because the vast majority of the people who got Covid were vaccinated.
“The rate of mild symptomatic outbreaks in this population was higher because of a lot of indoor activity (including intimacy), rain that weekend, not much outside time and a mixture of people with different vax status,” says Gandhi. She also points out that the Provincetown outbreak provided further evidence that the vaccines are very good at preventing severe cases of illness.
More studies will be needed to get a clearer picture of the how easy it is for vaccinated people to get and transmit Covid-19.
In the meantime, says Gandhi, “although we do not know the exact quantification of a vaccinated person being able to pass on delta to another vaccinated person, simple microbiologic principles indicate that it is likely a low risk.”
Thanks to all of you for writing in this week! Next Sunday, we'll be answering the best question we receive again. So if you have any, we want to hear from you. Write to us at CovidQs@bloomberg.net—Kristen V. Brown
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Post by hcpride on Aug 15, 2021 8:58:24 GMT -5
/\ Given the particulars regarding the now-famous Provincetown outbreak amongst the vaccinated , context and nuance (both in short supply nowadays) were key. Your article gives both on that episode.
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Post by timholycross on Aug 15, 2021 10:27:51 GMT -5
In re Australia: Hope people can access this. Some idiot was on giving a lecture to her fellow countrypersons that they shouldn't (masked of course), talk to anyone they encounter on the street. How can things get any worse than that?
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Post by hcpride on Aug 15, 2021 10:41:20 GMT -5
/\ Keeping folks indoors (despite the attraction of the idea of a ‘lockdown’) is the opposite of the science regarding covid transmission.
A few of our colleges were similarly confused (confining students to their dorms v outdoors walking and exercising and meeting friends in hopes of mysteriously keeping them safer.) I remember when the kids at Notre Dame rushed the field following a (outdoor) football game and folks who hadn’t grasped the science were sure an apocalypse was soon to be upon them.
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Post by bfoley82 on Aug 15, 2021 11:01:23 GMT -5
In re Australia: Hope people can access this. Imagine living in a country with 621k deaths and coming from a virus while considering yourself a leader in healthcare and education.
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Post by bfoley82 on Aug 15, 2021 11:04:09 GMT -5
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Post by longsuffering on Aug 15, 2021 11:13:52 GMT -5
Can any history buffs (or extremely old posters) compare public Covid travel restrictions to WW2 public blackout requirements for people to not have any lights on at night so as not to give the enemy bombers any advantage?
Aren't we at war against "the invisible enemy"? Should these blokes get to go out for beers with a mate during a lockdown to prevent spread of a deadly contagious disease?
While the measures may be similar, the intent is different in a democracy like Australia than a totalitarian government with a dictator who is staying in power by suppressing the masses with a police state. These measures in Australia are enacted by freely elected officials to keep citizens alive not to stay in power.
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Post by rgs318 on Aug 15, 2021 11:22:44 GMT -5
How did throwing the one man to the ground when he was not resisting help to keep him alive? What sort of folks will he encounter when he goes for his mandatory court appearance? I do hope he remembers to have a mask "on his person" but I am not sure how a mask in my pocket would help keep me alive either.
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Post by rgs318 on Aug 15, 2021 11:30:20 GMT -5
Poor use of stats to try to prove a point. "One Jab"does not mean there is significant immunity gained and lumping those folks in with those who have the required two doses and with those who have had the disease to get 77% does not create a number with any clear meaning.
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Post by longsuffering on Aug 15, 2021 12:50:27 GMT -5
Now that it is common knowledge that those who have been vaccinated can and do transmit the virus, one does not need a medical degree to know that mandating vaccines and restricting unvaccinated will not necessarily restrict the spread of this virus. If TPTB truly cared about public health they would require mandatory negative testing rather than mandatory vaccinations. Seriously, picture this. In Australia and soon to be in NYC and certainly elsewhere to follow a totally fit individual who employs all appropriate preventative measures AND tests negative is not allowed out and about. Meanwhile, a grossly overweight and totally out of shape individual who took a jab and may very well be infected and poised to transmit can go out and about totally uninhibited. That makes a lot of sense. If this were about public health they would mandate negative tests. Given that this is about CONTROL and pushing perpetual shots/boosters then they want to mandate vaccines. No problem with people getting vaxxed BUT that means nothing in regard to being a potential superspreader. This does not even begin to address those individuals who have already been infected with the virus and have developed natural immunity. Remember, Control, digital IDs and such. That’s the real agenda along with huge money to follow. More on that as it unfolds. I can find common ground with you on testing. I have only had one test which was required before a masked stress test on a treadmill (I asked if the masked Cardiologist and technician in the room would also be tested to protect me. I was told no, I would be breathing hard through my mask, they wouldn't be. Because I had been "training" by walking uphill, I didn't have to breathe too hard.🙂). The Covid test wasn't painful as reported in the early days and I wouldn't mind getting other ones before a gathering or travel. What follows logically to me is masking is a similar non-pharmaceutical preventive measure as testing. But some opposed to mandatory vaccines (for employment, travel, etc.) as government control of their bodies are opposed to mandatory masks for the same reason. A totalitarian government could do more with test samples and the probe used to retrieve them than with masks to control the masses I assume.
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Post by longsuffering on Aug 15, 2021 13:10:03 GMT -5
It is good to have people sounding warning bells about government and big business gaining too much control over our lives. In that sense, TD 128 follows in the Patriotic footprints of former President Dwight D. Eisenhower who warned against the "Military Industrial Complex" in his farewell address.
But what is reassuring is that when American Democracy was recently tested, it held and the peaceful transfer of power from one administration to the next occured as it has since the first one between George Washington and John Adams in 1797.
"You can fool some of the people all of the time and all of the people some of the time but you can't fool all of the people all of the time."
-often attributed to PT Barnum, but more likely originally stated by Abraham Lincoln although neither wrote it in their memoirs.
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Post by longsuffering on Aug 15, 2021 13:53:21 GMT -5
Sorry if I crossed the line.
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Post by alum on Aug 16, 2021 8:27:01 GMT -5
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Post by sader1970 on Aug 16, 2021 8:45:30 GMT -5
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Post by sader1970 on Aug 16, 2021 8:51:17 GMT -5
As for the Centre for Research on Globalization:
So, that's their starting point.
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Post by mm67 on Aug 16, 2021 9:37:58 GMT -5
Problem: Internet makes everyone an expert. If all are experts, in reality there are no experts. Instead of relying on their physician or the scientific community (CDC, FDA,WHO, Research Centers such as Johns Hopkins, etc.) many people rely on Dr. Google for advice from the internet much of which is misinformation. And, there is more... see Fl. & Texas. 'Tis a pity.
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Post by Chu Chu on Aug 16, 2021 11:59:11 GMT -5
There continues to be more information on the vaccines from the UK And with all of the information I remind all I am not a doctor or bench scientist.... I think this video is well worth watching in its entirety. I could not sit through the entire 1 1/2 hours of this, but what I did see is extremely misleading and slanted, and designed not to inform but to alarm, starting with the apocalyptic music. These vaccines are emphatically not gene therapy. They do not in any way alter DNA, which is what genes are made of. RNA is closely related to DNA and performs different but equally important functions. While our genetic information is stored as DNA in the cell nucleus, RNA acts as an intermediary, allowing the genes to be expressed.
When a gene is expressed, it is copied into RNA. This is known as a messenger RNA (mRNA) – the type used in the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines. The mRNA travels out of the cell nucleus to be used as a template to make a protein. Once the protein is made, the mRNA gets broken down. Full information here:
www.genomicseducation.hee.nhs.uk/blog/why-mrna-vaccines-arent-gene-therapies/
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Post by sader1970 on Aug 16, 2021 13:05:26 GMT -5
While this thread is getting into the weeds, some seem to be sowing weeds.
What I know is that I and my entire family and extended family have all been vaccinated by either Pfizer, Moderna or J&J. None have had any serious adverse reactions and most have had no reactions at all.
We have scrupulously tried to maintain social distancing and when that’s not possible, we have been masking up when with others we don’t know have been vaccinated. Personally, I have been using the KN-95 masks.
Now, unless we were to believe that Covid is all “fake news,” which doubtful considering even Fox reports it exists and people are getting sick, hospitalized, ventilated and dying, I consider the activities my family has taken to be prudent.
My 9 and 6 year old grandchildren wear masks and seem fine doing so and apparently hasn’t affected their mental health considering they see Mommy and Daddy, Grandma and Grandpa and their uncle wearing masks.
I think we all want this pandemic to go away - soon - but until we get more people vaccinated and wearing masks and not “chin jocks,” we aren’t going to see the end of this any time soon.
And beware the Peruvian Lambda variant!
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Post by longsuffering on Aug 16, 2021 14:07:08 GMT -5
The pediatric ICUs are not filled with children who test negative for Covid but are suffering respiratory disease from wearing a mask.
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Post by sader1970 on Aug 16, 2021 14:29:18 GMT -5
While I know you are joking, some here will believe what you wrote.🤪
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Post by longsuffering on Aug 16, 2021 14:38:19 GMT -5
I wrote "not filled" which is a good thing.
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Post by sader1970 on Aug 16, 2021 14:53:08 GMT -5
Reading comprehension issue on my part!😳
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Post by efg72 on Aug 16, 2021 17:56:31 GMT -5
There continues to be more information on the vaccines from the UK And with all of the information I remind all I am not a doctor or bench scientist.... I think this video is well worth watching in its entirety. I could not sit through the entire 1 1/2 hours of this, but what I did see is extremely misleading and slanted, and designed not to inform but to alarm, starting with the apocalyptic music. These vaccines are emphatically not gene therapy. They do not in any way alter DNA, which is what genes are made of. RNA is closely related to DNA and performs different but equally important functions. While our genetic information is stored as DNA in the cell nucleus, RNA acts as an intermediary, allowing the genes to be expressed.
When a gene is expressed, it is copied into RNA. This is known as a messenger RNA (mRNA) – the type used in the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines. The mRNA travels out of the cell nucleus to be used as a template to make a protein. Once the protein is made, the mRNA gets broken down. Full information here:
www.genomicseducation.hee.nhs.uk/blog/why-mrna-vaccines-arent-gene-therapies/Chu As I mentioned I cut and pasted this and those are the words of others. Just try to share all of the info that is creating confusion but want people to digest. In this environment, if you give one perspective on political issues it is hard to opine. Appreciate your comment Long covid remains a concern for all of us- had a 90 min call with CDC this afternoon that was illuminating If you are in Washington you should talk to Geoff Baird, a brilliant guy over at Wash-happy to introduce you- pm if interested
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Post by Crucis#1 on Aug 16, 2021 18:46:27 GMT -5
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