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Post by mm67 on May 21, 2021 8:23:30 GMT -5
Obviously, for some critics of Fauci, the CDC. wearing masks, etc there's always a subtext
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Post by hcpride on May 21, 2021 8:28:44 GMT -5
Virtue signaling par excellence If the folks are mandated to wear masks at a socially distanced outdoor stadium for a graduation that is simply bad science. Actually embarrassingly bad science if it is at an institution of higher learning. (Of course a woke college can engage in mass and mandated virtue signalling ...) Might as well have them don gloves. Beyond that, the idea of mandating fully vaccinated folks attending a socially distanced outdoor stadium graduation to mask up is so irrational it is difficult to type. Following the science fiction? Of course and in other instances when fully vaccinated and double masked people parade around outdoors in masks it could well be virtue signaling. In my neighborhood the fully vaccinated outdoor double masker also has one of those goofy ‘I am not a racist’ signs on his front lawn. The line is very thin (at least in his case) between the virtue signallers and the truly nutty.
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Post by Crucis#1 on May 21, 2021 9:20:13 GMT -5
People look so much better, with only the top half of their face exposed. You don’t have to see their goofy expressions and their bad teeth. 🤔🤔🤔🤪🤪🤪🤣🤣🤣😷😷😷
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Post by hcpride on May 21, 2021 9:24:09 GMT -5
People look so much better, with only the top half of their face exposed. You don’t have to see their goofy expressions and their bad teeth. 🤪🤪🤪 Speak for yourself. 🙂😷
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Post by Tom on May 21, 2021 10:31:37 GMT -5
The first day for otherwise healthy young people to get vaccinated in MA was April 19. For those getting Pfizer that means the first day for the 2nd shot was May 10 and the "fully vaccinated" date is May 24. For Moderna, the time between shots is a week longer meaning the "fully vaccinated" date is May 31. Not an issue with the one dose J&J, but I don't know what was being handed out. As vaccination rates slow down, things might have lightened up, but MA was not giving vaccines to out of staters. In general, schools that force students to get vaccinated aren't enforcing that until the fall, That would obviously not apply to graduating seniors. There will be a percentage of them that don't want to get vaccinated.
I don't really care whether the kids are forced to wear masks or not. However, just as a random point, I would guess that a fairly low percentage of HC students are fully vaccinated at this point.
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Post by bfoley82 on May 21, 2021 10:47:46 GMT -5
The first day for otherwise healthy young people to get vaccinated in MA was April 19. For those getting Pfizer that means the first day for the 2nd shot was May 10 and the "fully vaccinated" date is May 24. For Moderna, the time between shots is a week longer meaning the "fully vaccinated" date is May 31. Not an issue with the one dose J&J, but I don't know what was being handed out. As vaccination rates slow down, things might have lightened up, but MA was not giving vaccines to out of staters. In general, schools that force students to get vaccinated aren't enforcing that until the fall, That would obviously not apply to graduating seniors. There will be a percentage of them that don't want to get vaccinated. I don't really care whether the kids are forced to wear masks or not. However, just as a random point, I would guess that a fairly low percentage of HC students are fully vaccinated at this point. Exactly my point!
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Post by longsuffering on May 21, 2021 10:52:34 GMT -5
Virtue signaling par excellence Using terms like "virtue signaling," "social justice warrior," and even calling the 44th President "the Messiah" are ways the "real men" "own the libs." What harm is there in wearing a mask? People in Asia have been doing it for decades. I wouldn't wear a mask in the setting described above, but I don't give a rat's -----whether someone else does. Did it ever occur to you that they do it because a friend or relative might be nervous and they just want to make that person more comfortable? I just thought it was a funny quip. I stopped at an outdoor farm stand to buy a plant yesterday, saw the couple of people there were wearing masks so I put mine on without thinking about it. I did the same thing at self service gas stations before being vaccinated. I guess it's the "When in Rome do as the Romans do" approach.
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Post by Crucis#1 on May 21, 2021 12:12:41 GMT -5
Also, come the fall, based on the results of this past year, those that mask up, and continue to wash hands and use an alcohol base sanitizer, along with their Flu shot, have a higher probability of not getting sick.
Maybe.... the use of a mask is not a restriction of freedom, but a tool of liberation from the agony and confinement caused by unsafe hygiene practices. Masking-up could be your ticket to world travel and adventure.
Once able....I’ll be on my way to explore some of the planet’s great ecosystems in the Ring of Fire and the Cascadia Subduction Zone.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on May 21, 2021 12:26:35 GMT -5
Having watched the commencement, the south and east stands were 'filled' to the limited capacity, which I believe, under current Massachusetts guidelines, is 15 percent.
There was no shot of the videoboard. The board was used for the remarks of one of the two honorary degree recipients, the U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations. But I suspect her appearance was inserted into the livestream broadcast, and the broadcast of her remarks was not from the videoboard itself. If it was the latter, the quality was very good.
The other recipient was Dr. Michael Collins '77, who mentioned that for the 1976 Commencement, his father, stricken with a fatal brain cancer, watched in the stands as Mother Theresa received an honorary degree.
On the subject of masks, at ceremony's end, the camera panned the graduates leaving the stadium. I would say that most were not wearing masks. Some had worn masks earlier, others, even during the march across the stage to be handed their diploma, had been mask-less for the entire commencement.
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Post by Crucis#1 on May 21, 2021 12:42:10 GMT -5
Early in the video stream of the Commencement, as the class of 2021 processed into the stadium. there were several views of the new video board in action. The display showed with the both the left and right sides of the screen being black, to provide contrast for viewing. The view in the video stream of the Ambassador’s speech was directly inserted, and not from the board itself, as was the singing of the Alma Mater from St.Joseph’s Chapel.
Also, the goal post were removed for unobstructed viewing of the video board by the audience.
As noted, many members of the class were not wearing masks. One does not know of their status. Since only two guest tickets were allowed, I would presume, Grand Ma and GrandPa were watching from a remote location.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on May 21, 2021 12:56:01 GMT -5
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on May 21, 2021 12:58:57 GMT -5
Early in the video stream of the Commencement, as the class of 2021 processed into the stadium. there were several views of the new video board in action. The display showed with the both the left and right sides of the screen being black, to provide contrast for viewing. The view in the video stream of the Ambassador’s speech was directly inserted, and not from the board itself, as was the singing of the Alma Mater from St.Joseph’s Chapel. Also, the goal post were removed for unobstructed viewing of the video board by the audience. As noted, many members of the class were not wearing masks. One does not know of their status. Since only two guest tickets were allowed, I would presume, Grand Ma and GrandPa were watching from a remote location. Thanks for correcting me. I'll have to look at the replay on YouTube.
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Post by hcpride on May 21, 2021 13:54:03 GMT -5
Well it is certainly reassuring to hear that science is not completely dead at HC as some/most of the socially distanced graduates at the outdoor graduation were reportedly maskless.
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Post by Crucis#1 on May 21, 2021 14:40:29 GMT -5
Come the fall, while some will be bare faced with chills, sniffling, and drinking and guzzling Theraflu by the gallons, some of us will be Masked-Up, with a shield, and roaming the great ecosystems of the planet and enjoying the sunrises at dawn. Possibly over the Rockies, Cascades and Sierras.
Hope you have a subscription to ESPN+ to watch the ‘Saders in action. If you don’t have one, get a BarcaLounger to be comfortable.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on May 21, 2021 16:05:41 GMT -5
Come the fall, while some will be bare faced with chills, sniffling, and drinking and guzzling Theraflu by the gallons, some of us will be Masked-Up, with a shield, and roaming the great ecosystems of the planet and enjoying the sunrises at dawn. Possibly over the Rockies, Cascades and Sierras. Hope you have a subscription to ESPN+ to watch the ‘Saders in action. If you don’t have one, get a BarcaLounger to be comfortable. It makes no difference to me whether one wears three masks, a shield, and gloves, but curious if this will become part of the routine and outfit moving forward for you? For that trip to the Grand Canyon later this year, let’s say, do you feel the need to wear a mask outside?
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Post by Crucis#1 on May 21, 2021 16:22:24 GMT -5
It is situational, if people outside are within 50 feet sneezing and coughing with next year’s flu virus, then it will be Masked Up until I am in a clear environment.
Inside during the Flu season, definitely, lessons learned from this past year in the US, as well as previous years in Asia, a mask will prevent the transmission of air borne viruses and bacteria.
Best to protect your orifices that can be infected. I hope you understand the reference. It applies to all transmissible diseases.
By the way, I am currently sitting outside at a State Park, without a Mask and fully vaccinated. No one within 50 feet. Enjoying the afternoon as the birds sing above.
If necessary, Shield Up for the Battle!
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Post by Crucis#1 on May 21, 2021 16:47:42 GMT -5
Maybe Grand Canyon, definitely Mt St Helens, Mt Ranier, studying volcanology.
Ecology is fascinating, down to the viruses that stopped the Martians in War of Worlds.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on May 21, 2021 16:51:30 GMT -5
Understand, Crucis. I can appreciate your position and outlook. Corona has certainly changed the way many view personal hygiene and germs.
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Post by efg72 on May 21, 2021 16:51:39 GMT -5
Didn’t know where to put this on the board, but given so many live in the NE area, I thought you would find this of interest My work with DEA on opioids would validate the Mass report. In addition the pot sold in NE is 2 x more potent than the rest of the country(DEA data) and more often than not laced with fentanyl. Significant amounts of fentanyl arrive at the doorstep via the dark web Hope this is helpful www.mass.gov/doc/opioid-related-overdose-deaths-among-ma-residents-may-2021/download
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Post by longsuffering on May 21, 2021 18:14:55 GMT -5
It is situational, if people outside are within 50 feet sneezing and coughing with next year’s flu virus, then it will be Masked Up until I am in a clear environment. Inside during the Flu season, definitely, lessons learned from this past year in the US, as well as previous years in Asia, a mask will prevent the transmission of air borne viruses and bacteria. Best to protect your orifices that can be infected. I hope you understand the reference. It applies to all transmissible diseases. By the way, I am currently sitting outside at a State Park, without a Mask and fully vaccinated. No one within 50 feet. Enjoying the afternoon as the birds sing above. If necessary, Shield Up for the Battle! I receive the flu vaccine every year and haven't gotten the flu. I suppose I would mask up in crowded indoor settings if it became the accepted uniform of thoughtful senior citizens but I hope it doesn't. I wonder if Doctor offices will require it next winter during flu season? Hope not.
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Post by Crucis#1 on May 21, 2021 20:18:52 GMT -5
You have been fortunate not to have gotten sick. Unfortunately, I have not had the same luck.
For an extended period in my career, I worked in a very large building, that housed several thousand people. It was the base for a large health care provider. Every year, between Thanksgiving and Christmas, I would get a bug, and sniffles that set me back a couple of days. Of course, there were in office Christmas parties, with people sampling the food too close to the display table. No wonder that we all did not end up in the ICU at the nearby hospital. Over the last 20 years before retirement, as I worked remotely during a large share of the holiday season, I did not get the bug.
I expect that mask will be continued to be required particularly at medical offices, where people are being diagnosed and treated for conditions that may be compromising. Just last week, I was taking my son to see an Endocrinologist, as we where entering the floor, we saw a medical assistant, walking behind a man in his twenties who was not wearing a mask. The man had been asked to leave. As he passed us, he was mumbling....”But I am fully vaccinated”.
Have you been in an International Airport at Christmas season? Before the pandemic, in other countries, it was not uncommon to seeing a large number of people wearing a disposal mask. In the US, during the 21st Century, before the pandemic, crossing paths on the concourse, there were groups wearing disposable masks for their protection. I fully expect to continue seeing people wearing a mask, particularly in an indoor setting, where ventilation efficiency may be in question.
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Post by bfoley82 on May 21, 2021 22:38:17 GMT -5
You have been fortunate not to have gotten sick. Unfortunately, I have not had the same luck. For an extended period in my career, I worked in a very large building, that housed several thousand people. It was the base for a large health care provider. Every year, between Thanksgiving and Christmas, I would get a bug, and sniffles that set me back a couple of days. Of course, there were In office Christmas parties, with people sampling the food too close to the display table. No wonder that we all did not end up in the ICU at the nearby hospital. Over the last 20 years before retirement, as I worked remotely during a large share of the holiday season, I did not get the bug. I expect that mask will be continued to be required particularly at medical offices, where people are being diagnosed and treated for conditions that may be compromising. Just last week, I was going taking my son to see an Endocrinologist, as we where entering the floor, we saw a medical assistant, walking behind a man in his twenties who was not wearing a mask. The man had been asked to leave. As passed us, he was mumbling....”But I am fully vaccinated”. Have you been in an International Airport at Christmas season? Before the pandemic, in other countries, it was not uncommon to seeing a large number of people wearing a disposal mask. In the US, during the 21st Century, before the pandemic, crossing paths on the concourse, there were groups wearing disposable masks for their protection. I fully expect to continue seeing people wearing a mask, particularly in an indoor setting, where ventilation efficiency may be in question. And a majority of those people that wear masks are for Asian countries. Why in this country are we not using the same basic protections when in crowded places like Subways, Buses, etc.? I know when I go to the pharmacy to pick something up in the next six months, I will be wearing a mask because there is a high likelihood that person in line at the pharmacy could have just went to the doctor for their illness. I have gotten used to wearing a mask when shooting games al spring for 8-10 hours at a time, so it isn't difficult for me to wear it at all.
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Post by longsuffering on May 21, 2021 23:57:44 GMT -5
You have been fortunate not to have gotten sick. Unfortunately, I have not had the same luck. For an extended period in my career, I worked in a very large building, that housed several thousand people. It was the base for a large health care provider. Every year, between Thanksgiving and Christmas, I would get a bug, and sniffles that set me back a couple of days. Of course, there were In office Christmas parties, with people sampling the food too close to the display table. No wonder that we all did not end up in the ICU at the nearby hospital. Over the last 20 years before retirement, as I worked remotely during a large share of the holiday season, I did not get the bug. I expect that mask will be continued to be required particularly at medical offices, where people are being diagnosed and treated for conditions that may be compromising. Just last week, I was going taking my son to see an Endocrinologist, as we where entering the floor, we saw a medical assistant, walking behind a man in his twenties who was not wearing a mask. The man had been asked to leave. As passed us, he was mumbling....”But I am fully vaccinated”. Have you been in an International Airport at Christmas season? Before the pandemic, in other countries, it was not uncommon to seeing a large number of people wearing a disposal mask. In the US, during the 21st Century, before the pandemic, crossing paths on the concourse, there were groups wearing disposable masks for their protection. I fully expect to continue seeing people wearing a mask, particularly in an indoor setting, where ventilation efficiency may be in question. Cone to think of it, my stretch of flu free years also coincides with not having to be in crowded environments regularly.
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Post by hcpride on May 23, 2021 6:52:38 GMT -5
I attended a college graduation yesterday and witnessed an intriguing maskerade. The kids were forced to mask-up at the outdoor and socially distanced ceremony. Like (and just as unscientific ) a music-less fasching maskenball.Parents were not permitted at the ceremony.
Instead the unmasked parents and other family members packed the perimeter.
Once the graduation ceremony ended so did the maskerade so the unmasked kids could leave and mingle, photo and hug the non-masked parents, grandparents, and siblings. I did spot a couple of maskers amongst the throngs.
And the kids and families (unmasked, of course) were able to pack the local establishments all night long.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on May 23, 2021 7:35:42 GMT -5
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