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Post by Tom on Apr 21, 2021 8:10:33 GMT -5
Not sure if everyone got this. I am forwarding this without commentary on the content for those interested in what's going on on campus.
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Post by rgs318 on Apr 21, 2021 8:41:33 GMT -5
Beautifully stated.
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Post by WCHC Sports on Apr 21, 2021 10:39:53 GMT -5
Since every other brand/institution/business/sports team/entity in the country had to weigh in with a PR statement, you know HC was going to follow the flock and say something.
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Post by clmetsfan on Apr 21, 2021 11:46:05 GMT -5
An acceptable albeit somewhat milquetoast statement. At least they didn't emulate Mark Davis.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Apr 21, 2021 12:19:48 GMT -5
Nice to see Fr. B was consistent with his public statements after his comments about New Mexico police officer Darrian Jarrott being murdered during a traffic stop in New Mexico last week.
Oh wait.
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Post by newfieguy74 on Apr 21, 2021 12:49:39 GMT -5
The killing of Officer Jarrott was a terrible tragedy, and people are murdered in the U.S. every week, every case a tragic loss. Fr. B's statement was timely and appropriate because the murder of George Floyd by Derek Chauvin, captured on video, represented for black Americans harsh evidence of America's centuries old willingness to look the other way while they were killed by police officers without any consequences. I've never known a black person who hasn't had multiple negative interactions with police. I applaud Fr. B. for continuing to address the deep racial problems that continue to plague this country.
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Post by alum on Apr 21, 2021 12:54:57 GMT -5
Not sure if everyone got this. I am forwarding this without commentary on the content for those interested in what's going on on campus. You didn't comment, but of course others have, and now we have a thing brewing.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Apr 21, 2021 13:28:42 GMT -5
The killing of Officer Jarrott was a terrible tragedy, and people are murdered in the U.S. every week, every case a tragic loss. Fr. B's statement was timely and appropriate because the murder of George Floyd by Derek Chauvin, captured on video, represented for black Americans harsh evidence of America's centuries old willingness to look the other way while they were killed by police officers without any consequences. I've never known a black person who hasn't had multiple negative interactions with police. I applaud Fr. B. for continuing to address the deep racial problems that continue to plague this country. There are approx. 700,000 police officers in the US and approx 50,000,000 police interactions per year. Most reasonable people understand that not all 700,000 police officers are perfect (as we all know, only one person has ever been perfect) and not all 50,000,000 police interactions are going to go smoothly (after all, most interactions are with criminals). Yes, tragedies do happen, but not everything has to be about race/racism.
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Post by newfieguy74 on Apr 21, 2021 14:27:13 GMT -5
That's true, but black people are stopped at a much higher rate, are arrested at a much higher rate, are incarcerated at a much higher rate, and are killed at a much higher rate. Black people have good reason to distrust the police and the judicial system. Over 40 years as a lawyer I've handled thousands of criminal cases and I've seen a lot of this first hand.
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Post by hcpride on Apr 21, 2021 14:50:28 GMT -5
“I want to acknowledge the heavy burden so many in our community have been carrying and continue to bear, and in particular our Black community members. ... We mourn for George Floyd, Daunte Wright, Adam Toledo, Breonna Taylor and so many others.” Staying completely apolitical, this suggests the late Adam Toledo was black. (He was a 13-year old Mexican American although there is no reason to believe his shooter had any knowledge of his race.)
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Post by rgs318 on Apr 21, 2021 14:53:16 GMT -5
My clients at Straight and Narrow brought some real baggage with them. In many cases, their arrests were due to skin color more than any other factor. Paterson has a high minority population, BUT it was nowhere the 85% of our clients who were African-American. They helped me to understand their reality. As one client put it..."If you and I did the same thing and were arrested, you would be released on with a desk appearance ticket while I would have to post bail (if I could even get bail). Then you would enter pre-trial intervention and after a short time have a clear record. I would spend time behind bars. That is just the way it is." My time in working in Paterson was a true education about race.
I pray for all who are victims of bias in our judicial system...and that includes those who work in the system as well as those on its receiving end. Father B's statement was a good one in this highly charged time. I admire how well it was crafted. I am sure it will not please everyone for different reasons, but I applaud his effort.
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 21, 2021 18:22:01 GMT -5
The cellphone video camera has done the most for civil rights since MLK jr. On another note, I am going to miss Father B. A Jesuit Priest starts out on third base with me anyway, but I think he has been a good President.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Apr 21, 2021 19:45:12 GMT -5
“I want to acknowledge the heavy burden so many in our community have been carrying and continue to bear, and in particular our Black community members. ... We mourn for George Floyd, Daunte Wright, Adam Toledo, Breonna Taylor and so many others.” Staying completely apolitical, this suggests the late Adam Toledo was black. (He was a 13-year old Mexican American although there is no reason to believe his shooter had any knowledge of his race.) This is getting political very quickly (surprise, surprise), but in a few of these cases (most notably: Toledo, Adam), how can we possibly know that there was any racial motivation at all in the tragic deaths of these people at the hands of LEOs? Toledo was holding a gun in an alleyway in the wee hours of the morning. I kind of doubt the officer who had the misfortune of meeting him in the alley that night took the time to process Toledo's pigmentation, but rather was aware of there being gunshots in that area, then saw there was a gun being waved around, and then his instincts simply took over. Is it out of bounds to begin the conversation of why a 13-year old is out a 3:00 AM with a gun in his hand?
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Post by ndgradbuthcfan on Apr 21, 2021 20:01:01 GMT -5
The conversation seems to be very balanced and non political except..... (surprise, surprise).
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Post by hcpride on Apr 21, 2021 20:33:22 GMT -5
The cellphone video camera has done the most for civil rights since MLK jr. On another note, I am going to miss Father B. A Jesuit Priest starts out on third base with me anyway, but I think he has been a good President. I’d add the new body-cam video as another important element ... certainly quite informative in the Daunte Wright and Adam Toledo shootings (picking two of the four cases noted by Father B...some have abandoned the ‘racism’ narrative after viewing.)
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Post by HC92 on Apr 21, 2021 20:38:57 GMT -5
The problem with statements like that of Fr. Boroughs is that they foster the notion that every bad experience a person of color has with the police is evidence of rampant racial injustice. There is clearly racial injustice in America. Police definitely treat black people differently than white people in some circumstances. “Driving while Black” is a real thing. Most Americans get this and want to have real conversations about real issues. I know I do. But Adam Toledo getting killed at 2:30 am after officers responded to a call about a shooting and he ran from them into an alley carrying a gun just isn’t what Fr. B and others want to convince us it is. Now we have LeBron leading the charge on a case where a woman of color appears to have been in the process of literally stabbing another woman of color before police intervened with lethal force. There are hundreds of people in the streets in Columbus about that one. Would be good if our leaders tried to de-escalate and encourage people to gather facts and have productive discussions about the Black experience in America rather than just saying everything’s racist. Healing is not coming with the type of rhetoric coming from our leaders. They are unwittingly playing into the hands of those who are thriving in the chaos growing across America. Hoping someone out there shows some real leadership soon. Not optimistic.
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 21, 2021 21:10:55 GMT -5
CNN consultant and former police chief Charles Ramsay studied the film from cameras on nearby buildings and the body cam and said the officer who fired one shot at Adam Toledo was justified.
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Post by hchoops on Apr 21, 2021 21:13:24 GMT -5
Being seriously beaten or dying while in police custody or in an attempt to arrest is a far different event from “driving while black.” This is the dominant issue that our leaders are rightly drawing attention to. I think that Fr. Boroughs is not fostering the notion that every bad experience a person of color has with the police is evidence of rampant racial injustice. As you seem to indicate, rampant racial injustice is the major issue that must be addressed. To me, that is what Fr. Boroughs is rightly pointing out.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Apr 21, 2021 22:09:16 GMT -5
Being seriously beaten or dying while in police custody or in an attempt to arrest is a far different event from “driving while black.” This is the dominant issue that our leaders are rightly drawing attention to. I think that Fr. Boroughs is not fostering the notion that every bad experience a person of color has with the police is evidence of rampant racial injustice. As you seem to indicate, rampant racial injustice is the major issue that must be addressed. To me, that is what Fr. Boroughs is rightly pointing out. www.wsj.com/articles/the-myth-of-systemic-police-racism-11591119883"The police fatally shot nine unarmed blacks and 19 unarmed whites in 2019, according to a Washington Post database, down from 38 and 32, respectively, in 2015." I wish the numbers were 0 and 0, but, unfortunately, that is just not realistic given the volume of police interactions and the fact that police are humans who make mistakes (while putting their lives on the line every time they put on their uniform).
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Post by HC92 on Apr 21, 2021 22:16:41 GMT -5
We need leaders who will look at each issue carefully and with an open mind rather than pre-judging every interaction between a black person and a white cop as evidence of a fatally racist system. Charles Barkley and Shaq had a good, honest discussion about Breonna Taylor while most athletes and politicians were lumping it in with other cases.
To me, they have credibilty because they look at issues openly and honestly and they call racism when they see it and they call unfortunate tragedy when they see it. Whether you agree or disagree with them about that case, they’re being real and they’re trying not to rush to judgment just because a white cop killed a black woman. If all of our leaders did this, the healing of our nation would happen and happen quickly because people would start having real conversations. That is generally not happening today, certainly not among our political leaders.
I was watching some NFL show recently with Louis Riddick and Mike Greenberg and a couple of others and they had a great discussion about something Trevor Lawrence had said about not being consumed with winning at all costs. They said that if Justin Fields had said the same thing it would have been a much bigger story. That conversation among a bunch of guys who clearly like and respect one another but have different life experiences and perspectives actually made me think about race differently. We need more of that and less of the bluster from idiot politicians. I’ll leave you with Charles again with his views on white people and black people and who is most responsible for trying to divide us.
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Post by higheredguy on Apr 22, 2021 3:52:40 GMT -5
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Post by hcpride on Apr 22, 2021 5:33:09 GMT -5
It is altogether unsurprising folks like Father B would weigh in with what they see as certain evidence of omnipresent and systemic racism here in the US.
A shocker would have been Father B writing that his review of the Daunte Wright and Breonna Taylor cases indicate unfortunate police negligence unrelated to racism and his review of the Adam Toledo (a Mexican American) case indicates to him the shooting was tragic though justified and unrelated to racism. Followed, perhaps, by praise of the US justice system in the case of George Floyd and a reminder that we all must use our own G-d given reasoning capabilities (not blindly following one narrative or another) as we peacefully work to achieve true justice for all.
Obviously, that sort of brave statement is streng verboten in academic circles nowadays.
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Post by td128 on Apr 22, 2021 5:42:23 GMT -5
The issues on the table are certainly not a one-size fits all and it is a disservice and unhealthy to everybody in our country for anybody to use the proverbial broad brush to paint it as such. It is also a disservice to dismiss any and all factors that might weigh in and influence what we see transpiring. There are real issues of racial discrimination and injustice in our nation. There are also a whole host of other real issues as well that factor in to what we see unfolding across our nation. I believe that they should not be viewed in a vacuum so to speak as so often happens. Especially regrettable when some use these issues for political purposes or to otherwise advance an agenda rather than fully and meaningfully address the wide spectrum of factors that impact society so as to effectively create true and meaningful change. Talk is cheap. We get a lot of that. Real change requires real actions. The essence of Jesuit education compels us to pursue truth. In that spirit, I welcome submitting the following as simply food for thought in the midst of assessing our current social dynamic. Perhaps the topics addressed herein might increasingly get a bit of attention for the good of each and every community in our nation. Did somebody say, cause and effect? Census Data Show Long Rise in Single-Parent Homes; Experts Link to Wide Array of Social Ills justthenews.com/nation/experts-say-growing-number-single-parent-households-will-lead-more-crime-poverty-depressionAs a point of reference, I know of a current student at Holy Cross who was going to write on this topic as part of a year end project. Regrettably this student's professor intervened and recommended he change his topic. Interesting.
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Post by purplehaze on Apr 22, 2021 8:15:42 GMT -5
I’m not surprised at the content of that last paragraph and I’m distressed that it is happening across college campuses everywhere - it doesn’t take a sociologist to know that the breakdown of the family contributes to social unrest in many forms
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Post by newfieguy74 on Apr 22, 2021 9:50:32 GMT -5
I think it is a mistake to make an assumption about why the student's project was changed. There may have been a good reason, maybe not. By way of context, the founder of JusttheNews is a former journalist for The Hill, the conservative publication. Robert Woodson, who is cited in the article, is a former fellow of the conservative American Enterprise Institute. I part ways with the author with the way he decries federal anti-poverty programs and his statement that "widespread feminist denunciation of the nuclear family" is also largely responsible for the problem.
Cause and effect (of single parent homes)? Here are some causes: the mass incarceration of black people (black people get harsher punishment than white people for the same crime), discrimination in housing (black people have more difficulty obtaining housing and are more likely to be evicted), the denial of economic opportunity (a black person with the same education as a white person is less likely to get a job), etc., etc.
Discussions of racism sometimes intersect with politics, but I think it is primarily a moral issue, and I applaud Fr. B. for recognizing that an unremitting effort to be anti-racist should be a foundational part of HC's identity as a Catholic college.
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