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Post by purplehaze on Apr 28, 2021 8:28:01 GMT -5
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Post by HC13 on Apr 28, 2021 10:20:18 GMT -5
Something really weird going on here. I know that many teams have had multiple transfers, but 12! Granted, 5 are grad transfers, but still.
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Post by bison137 on Apr 28, 2021 11:02:25 GMT -5
Something really weird going on here. I know that many teams have had multiple transfers, but 12! Granted, 5 are grad transfers, but still. One is Kamilla Cardoso, a 6-7 freshman who was the ACC DPOY and ROY. The best five of the transfers, other than Cardoso, have all found new homes at other ACC schools.
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Post by timholycross on Apr 28, 2021 12:26:55 GMT -5
I don't see Covid being the issue- the constraints were the same everywhere, weren't they?
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Post by HC13 on Apr 28, 2021 13:04:02 GMT -5
I don't see Covid being the issue- the constraints were the same everywhere, weren't they? Generally, yes, I would assume so, but here a group of players apparently had a more difficult time adhering to the restrictions than elsewhere. Perhaps they were unhappy how the coach dealt with their inability to follow the rules - I suspect we might here more as this story continues, or not.
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 28, 2021 14:36:14 GMT -5
Orange is the new rear window. Perhaps one key to recruiting in the new reality is to try to match a recruit with an academic program your school is strong in. For instance, Syracuse is strong in communication, broadcast journalism, video production, etc. If a student athlete has a fun internship or summer job lined up at a TV station or Youtube or somewhere through their academic major at Syracuse, would they be as likely to depart?
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Post by bfoley82 on Apr 28, 2021 14:45:43 GMT -5
I don't see Covid being the issue- the constraints were the same everywhere, weren't they? Generally, yes, I would assume so, but here a group of players apparently had a more difficult time adhering to the restrictions than elsewhere. Perhaps they were unhappy how the coach dealt with their inability to follow the rules - I suspect we might here more as this story continues, or not. Syracuse Women's Hoops lost the national championship in 2016 and have been in every NCAA tournament since 2013 so this isn't about wins/losses.
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 28, 2021 18:35:52 GMT -5
Yes, HC hasn't been in the tournament in years and no one is leaving. The drama has been in the coaching ranks here, not the roster.
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Post by purplehaze on Jun 29, 2021 11:40:19 GMT -5
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Post by hchoops on Jun 29, 2021 11:59:05 GMT -5
Today The Athletic has a lengthy, scathing article detailing, with many players’ quotes, the countless incidents of head coach and assistant coach’s behaviors, with nothing but denials from the school authorities. A total disgrace.
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Post by bfoley82 on Jun 29, 2021 12:43:24 GMT -5
He retired...didn't resign.
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Post by purplehaze on Jun 29, 2021 13:43:28 GMT -5
OK, he was asked to retire gracefully - trust me it was a bad scene with many players upset with Desko
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Post by bfoley82 on Jun 29, 2021 14:48:20 GMT -5
OK, he was asked to retire gracefully - trust me it was a bad scene with many players upset with Desko Oh well aware...he took the brunt of that mess.
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Post by lowerkimball on Jun 29, 2021 14:55:06 GMT -5
For the record, two prominent former Cuse WBB players have come out and publicly defended Hillsman on twitter since the release of this article. The general point of my post isn't to defend Hillsman but more to point out that there are often two sides to every story - especially when it comes to coaching and what players think of their coach. That's the challenge with a story like this - the whole point of The Athletic article was to make him look terrible without really giving himself a chance to defend himself.
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Post by hchoops on Jun 29, 2021 15:04:53 GMT -5
There were a lot more than 2 players quoted in that Atlantic article, past and very recent, including some of the many transfers.
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Post by Tom on Jun 30, 2021 7:49:42 GMT -5
Although hardly gentlemanly, I am not freaking out about this. Coaches frequently go over the top to get the attention of players who just aren't listening
Coach Boone did this in "Remember the Titans" and he was the hero of that feel good story
and yet this was buried near the end of the story. Down right creepy and sufficient alone to warrant the mass exodus
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Post by rgs318 on Jun 30, 2021 8:46:02 GMT -5
A "kiss on the forehead" back in the day was clearly a sign of an affectionate bond between coach and athlete. It was not a "creepy" one. Today it is far different.
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Post by sader1970 on Jun 30, 2021 9:54:11 GMT -5
Although hardly gentlemanly, I am not freaking out about this. Coaches frequently go over the top to get the attention of players who just aren't listening I understand the flipping a table at halftime having watched the antics of Bobby Knight and Jim Boeheim over the years but I'm not sure that any coach gets a pass that he doesn't give a blank about his own players. Even in the heat of the moment, not sure that would ever rally round any troops and if he really doesn't care about them, he's in the wrong business. Coach Boone did this in "Remember the Titans" and he was the hero of that feel good story Not a good thing for Coach Boone or any coach. That's even worse than having a player run laps naked around the court for missing practice free throws (and that didn't work out especially well for that coach either).
and yet this was buried near the end of the story. Down right creepy and sufficient alone to warrant the mass exodus I'm with Rob on this one. While this is a touchy (no pun intended) subject nowadays, I think even in today's environment, the context determines how creepy a forehead kiss is but by definition, "unwanted" touching is wrong.
P.S. I wouldn't want to be a coach in any sport today, especially not of a women's team. Too fraught with traps.
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Post by lowerkimball on Jun 30, 2021 12:17:48 GMT -5
Agreed on having no interest in coaching. Obviously there are certain traits coaches need to have to survive - i.e. be a decent person as a starting point; however, players nowadays have far too much power when it comes to deciding someone's professional livelihood based on how they "feel" they are treated. Most of them have never faced any kind of adversity in their young careers and can't handle an ounce of negativity. Not talking specifically about the Cuse incident but more regarding the coaching profession in general.
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Post by hchoops on Jun 30, 2021 12:36:03 GMT -5
The big issue here is that what many players have alleged Hillsman saying and doing is disgraceful, inexcusable and should cost him and the AD who keeps defending him their jobs.
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Post by HC13 on Aug 2, 2021 14:47:32 GMT -5
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Post by hchoops on Aug 2, 2021 18:28:23 GMT -5
If that had happened at the end of the season, it could have saved many players.
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Post by longsuffering on Aug 2, 2021 18:50:20 GMT -5
The AD needed an anvil to drop on his head first. From the sound of the statement every word was negotiated. The Coach got best wishes for him and his family and I presume every penny due him under the contract and the AD got to say they agreed parting was in the best interest of the University, the program and the remaining player.
I don't know what Syracuse gained over a decisive termination early on. The horses are truly out of the barn now.
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Post by hchoops on Aug 2, 2021 19:07:42 GMT -5
But the barn is clean for new horses.
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Post by HC92 on Aug 3, 2021 8:05:35 GMT -5
Although hardly gentlemanly, I am not freaking out about this. Coaches frequently go over the top to get the attention of players who just aren't listening I understand the flipping a table at halftime having watched the antics of Bobby Knight and Jim Boeheim over the years but I'm not sure that any coach gets a pass that he doesn't give a blank about his own players. Even in the heat of the moment, not sure that would ever rally round any troops and if he really doesn't care about them, he's in the wrong business. Coach Boone did this in "Remember the Titans" and he was the hero of that feel good story Not a good thing for Coach Boone or any coach. That's even worse than having a player run laps naked around the court for missing practice free throws (and that didn't work out especially well for that coach either).
and yet this was buried near the end of the story. Down right creepy and sufficient alone to warrant the mass exodus I'm with Rob on this one. While this is a touchy (no pun intended) subject nowadays, I think even in today's environment, the context determines how creepy a forehead kiss is but by definition, "unwanted" touching is wrong.
P.S. I wouldn't want to be a coach in any sport today, especially not of a women's team. Too fraught with traps. No idea what happened here but I’d be careful judging a coach based on a vague allegation of “unwanted” touching. Could be a case where he was tough on them, they didn’t like it, wanted to get him fired and this conversation with legal counsel ensued: “He yelled at us a lot and even flipped over a table and one time made us run without water.” “Not enough. Was there any touching?” “Well, yes, over the course of the season, he did pat us on the back sometimes.” “Did you want him to touch you?” “I guess not.” And the kiss on the forehead would really depend on context assuming it happened. Seems like there’s not much there if the most specific allegation is a kiss on the forehead.
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