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Post by Sons of Vaval on Aug 10, 2022 8:03:54 GMT -5
A health-related note. Georgetown, George Washington, and Bucknell have reported monkeypox cases on campus this summer. Time to shut down the campuses and move to virtual classes?
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Post by hcpride on Aug 10, 2022 10:23:59 GMT -5
A health-related note. Georgetown, George Washington, and Bucknell have reported monkeypox cases on campus this summer. Time to shut down the campuses and move to virtual classes? Of course, it may not be a deadly threat to college kids but they COULD pass it on to a very elderly or compromised person who might succumb. Err on the safe side.Men and women (and all the other genders) for others. đź‘Ť
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Post by mm67 on Aug 10, 2022 11:21:18 GMT -5
Perhaps, but I can think of a dozen people (celebrities) who have/had Canadian citizenship and became either U.S. solely or dual citizenship with the U.S. Yet, I can't think of anyone who had U.S. citizenship who became Canadian with the exception of those dodging the Vietnam era draft. And that was 50 +/- years ago. None of recent vintage. Don't mean to be rude. There are many Americans who live in Canada and have adopted Canadian citizenship. Members of late wife's family male & female have lived in Montreal for a number of years. One attended McGill in the late 70's - not Vietnam related. Also met many expatriates in Montreal. Almost all stated they had no intention of returning to the US other than for an occasional family visit. Vietnam is not an issue today.They cited peacefulness, low crime, less violence, a great lifestyle, good housing (eg Westmont) and great healthcare. A Canadian MD lectured me not to believe the AMA propaganda about healthcare. He told me flat out Canadian health care provided far better access with resulting superior outcomes for the overall population. The stories of delays were exaggerations. Those who needed care got it immediately. Elective procedures which did not require immediate attention were taken care of. He stated the time from diagnosis to appointment for an elective procedure can take weeks to months in the US and you will find a bit longer delays in Canada for purely elective procedures. He was extremely skeptical of the anecdotal stories given on our side of the border. My current pulmonologist is a Canadian and moved to the US for the opportunity to make more money. He loves it here. Not one Canadian I met would trade the Canadian health care system and lifestyle for life in the US. However, prices are high and taxes are extremely high in Canada. Peace.
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Post by purplehaze on Aug 10, 2022 11:25:08 GMT -5
When HC adopts a mission statement that includes '(and all the other genders') for others" etc... then you can count me out
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Aug 10, 2022 13:21:56 GMT -5
One site that I just found stated that the average wait for a hip or knee replacement in Canada was 46 weeks. Of course on the internet you never know if you are getting the truth.
The site is realitiesofsinglepayer.com
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Aug 10, 2022 13:24:16 GMT -5
Canadian healthcare system is a disaster compared to ours. Why do so many people from Canada venture to the US for elective surgeries?
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Post by mm67 on Aug 10, 2022 14:47:07 GMT -5
TBT it is my understanding based on purely anecdotal conversations that the belief in the US Canadian health care is a"disaster" is an urban myth. There are serious criticisms of the Canadian system but in no way would most Canadians opt for American style private enterprise medical care. Why? We(myself included) live in a bubble. Canadians with few exceptions prefer their medical system to our expensive private enterprise system. Unfortunately, all my Canadian contacts are not available. I humbly suggest that people go to Canada or at least speak to a wide swath of Canadians. You might be surprised! This in no way is meant to disparage America, the country my family fought & died for. I chose to stay here. I love my country. I seek not to tear down but to improve. However, our health care system needs to improve to match up well with the various systems provided in the rest of the developed world. Peace.
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Post by longsuffering on Aug 10, 2022 14:56:04 GMT -5
People coming from Canada to the U.S. for elective surgery pass people from the U.S. going to Canada for low cost prescriptions.
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Post by alum on Aug 10, 2022 14:57:22 GMT -5
One site that I just found stated that the average wait for a hip or knee replacement in Canada was 46 weeks. Of course on the internet you never know if you are getting the truth. The site is realitiesofsinglepayer.com I can't pin down who runs that site, but it certainly sounds like it is run by a trade group which is opposed to single payer plans. On the first page of Google searches, I found a site run by the province of British Columbia with wait times by procedure, hospital, doctor, etc. I checked on hip replacement. swt.hlth.gov.bc.ca/swt/WaitTimesResults.xhtml?rollupProcedure=56&procName=Hip+Replacement&adult=AdultLooks like about half the people wait longer than 20 weeks and 10% longer than 45 weeks. I have no idea whether BC is better or worse than the country as a whole. I also don't know how long it takes to get a hip replacement in the US, although I am supremely confident it is much quicker. I suppose both here and in Canada, one might wait longer for the "best" doctors. Obviously, to fully evaluate whether a single payer plan is better, one needs a lot more information. One would want to know how each system does in emergency treatment, in disease prevention, in cost, etc. It certainly also seems likely that some people would be better off under one system as opposed to another. I have no idea how Canada is doing on monkeypox. (Interestingly, when I get the calls to extend my car warranty, etc. and the person (live or robot) asks how I am, I have been saying "Great, except for the monkeypox." I get a lot of quick hangups.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Aug 10, 2022 16:51:36 GMT -5
Time to shut down the campuses and move to virtual classes? Of course, it may not be a deadly threat to college kids but they COULD pass it on to a very elderly or compromised person who might succumb. Err on the safe side.Men and women (and all the other genders) for others. đź‘Ť Monkeypox is not fatal. it does not land you in the ICU. One shouldn't conflate monkeypox with COVID, particularly the earlier variants such as Delta. And I believe that those over 50 in the United States are largely already immunized. Those who are at risk of catching monkeypox are unvaccinated against smallpox, which is why there is a great demand presently for the smallpox vaccine.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Aug 10, 2022 18:56:51 GMT -5
Thank you for the correction. No information was provided on the two Spanish deaths on whether the individuals were immunocompromised, e.g., had HIV/AIDS. An additional clarifying note. How long smallpox vaccine remains effective is unknown, as the disease is eradicated. It is thought that there is at least long duration partial immunity. There are reports of several cases where smallpox vaccinated individuals have become infected with monkeypox. No data on whether such individuals were immunocompromised and/or the severity of their infection.
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Post by td128 on Aug 10, 2022 19:03:54 GMT -5
With all cause mortality still running at stratospheric levels, many of these increasing number of deaths are reportedly related to circulatory issues. This is truly very sad AND equally unsettling.
I would hope/think that some here might be interested in the following report which includes this quote.
“The burden of proof, however, lies with the CDC and FDA to prove that the vaccines are not causing the increase in deaths due to the spike protein.”
www.aier.org/article/all-cause-mortality-in-the-united-states-during-2021/
I know more than a small handful of people who have passed on and/or suffered debilitating side effects within a reasonably short time period after taking these jabs.
IMO and as the report states unequivocally, a real regulatory agency would both address and produce reports on such a critically important topic. Regrettably the trust in this space has been eviscerated at the same time that trust in many institutions in our country has plummeted as well.
Also very sad.
Feel free to take your shot at me as the messenger. One might think a real response would be to address why so many of our fellow citizens are losing their lives especially at relatively young ages.
I do know a representative percentage of our very own Crusaders, students and staff and alumni alike who will NEVER go near another jab or booster after experiencing serious issues/scares that transpired after initial shots.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Aug 11, 2022 8:14:30 GMT -5
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Post by sader1970 on Aug 11, 2022 10:24:43 GMT -5
td, you apparently hang out with the wrong, or at least unlucky, people because I guarantee you that I can match many times over people who got "the jab" with no adverse effects. And statistically, the people I've encountered with no ill effects, or "scares," are in the vast, vast, majority.
But, if you are scared to get vaccinated, it's a free country. You're not a medical professional, fireman, EMT, police officer or armed forces so not aware anyone is forcing you to do anything against your will.
I am curious as to what "representative percentage" you are speaking of? 20%? 10%? 5%? .0001%?
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Post by rgs318 on Aug 11, 2022 10:40:10 GMT -5
I would say that my wife (a nurse) and I have not encountered anyone who had a serious reaction after their covid shots/boosters...and she volunteered at a local hospital's vaccination center.
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Post by sader1970 on Aug 11, 2022 11:41:29 GMT -5
Daughter-in-law a nurse practitioner and also volunteered to administer "jabs" and no adverse reactions that she was aware of nor in her practice. But, perhaps she just encounters the lucky people?
As a retired insurance guy, I go with probabilities and statistics and no question a very, very small percentage of folks have adverse reactions. For the vast majority or people, me and my extended family/clan being some of them, no issues and, in fact, very few caught the ubiquitous Covid. My 83 year old HC grad brother-in-law got it but being vaxed and boosted, had no major issues.
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Post by hcpride on Aug 11, 2022 11:47:41 GMT -5
Daughter-in-law a nurse practitioner and also volunteered to administer "jabs" and no adverse reactions that she was aware of nor in her practice. But, perhaps she just encounters the lucky people? As a retired insurance guy, I go with probabilities and statistics and no question a very, very small percentage of folks have adverse reactions. For the vast majority or people, me and my extended family/clan being some of them, no issues and, in fact, very few caught the ubiquitous Covid. My 83 year old HC grad brother-in-law got it but being vaxed and boosted, had no major issues. My friend told me he never got Covid. I corrected him, “As far as you know”. He agreed. It just seemed odd to me that we work together, are both vaxxed and boostered, and I’ve got it at least twice and he didn’t catch it at all. My similarly vaxxed and boostered wife’s got it at least three times (but she tests more frequently and has only once had [mild] symptoms.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Aug 11, 2022 12:02:07 GMT -5
I certainly hope that all the Crusaders who allegedly have experienced a significant adverse reaction to the COVID vaccine have filed a claim for compensation. Here is the link for filing a claim: www.hrsa.gov/cicpOver 600 million doses of COVID vaccine have been administered to date in the U. S. Claims are 0.001 percent of doses administered. A table with a long, long list of the symptoms described for each of the 8,808 claims. Scroll and scroll, scroll, scroll. www.hrsa.gov/cicp/cicp-data#table-1^^^Horrors: A number of the death claims state the individual was treated with hydroxychloroquine. Ivermectin popped up, also.
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Post by hcpride on Aug 11, 2022 12:28:38 GMT -5
/\ One assumes subsequently catching Covid and succumbing is not considered a “significant adverse reaction” to the vaccine.
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Post by newfieguy74 on Aug 11, 2022 12:37:09 GMT -5
Daughter-in-law a nurse practitioner and also volunteered to administer "jabs" and no adverse reactions that she was aware of nor in her practice. But, perhaps she just encounters the lucky people? As a retired insurance guy, I go with probabilities and statistics and no question a very, very small percentage of folks have adverse reactions. For the vast majority or people, me and my extended family/clan being some of them, no issues and, in fact, very few caught the ubiquitous Covid. My 83 year old HC grad brother-in-law got it but being vaxed and boosted, had no major issues. My friend told me he never got Covid. I corrected him, “As far as you know”. He agreed. It just seemed odd to me that we work together, are both vaxxed and boostered, and I’ve got it at least twice and he didn’t catch it at all. My similarly vaxxed and boostered wife’s got it at least three times (but she tests more frequently and has only once had [mild] symptoms. There was an article in the WSJ a few days ago (I'll look for it later when I have more time) and the title of it was (paraphrased): So You Think You Haven't Had Covid. Think Again. The premise of the article is that almost everyone has had Covid but many have sailed through it in asymptomatic bliss. The article does say that there are probably a small number of people who, by virtue of their body's unique viral fighting abilities or perhaps just luck, have not had it.
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Post by sader1970 on Aug 11, 2022 13:34:14 GMT -5
Yes, I suppose it is possible that I have had asymptomatic Covid. But, in addition to being fully vaxed and boosted, we wear KN-95 masks when out at the supermarket (practically no one does anymore); any other stores; eat out rarely and when we do it is either an outdoor setting or with plenty of space between tables. I've also been tested 3+ times with the PCR test and multiple times with rapid tests. All, thankfully, negative.
But, I agree, you never know. But, if I've had Covid, I would attribute being asymptomatic on the Moderna shots. Thank you, science!
Or to paraphrase Gary Player who stole the quote from others: “THE MORE I PRACTICE, THE LUCKIER I GET!”
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Post by Tom on Aug 11, 2022 14:30:35 GMT -5
/\ One assumes subsequently catching Covid and succumbing is not considered a “significant adverse reaction” to the vaccine. I think that is probably a reasonable assumption The vaccine was never advertised as being 100 percent effective at eliminating serious cases of COVID. If a vaccinated person died of COVID the assumption likely would be made that said person would have died from COVID without the shot. My neighbor died of COVID. He was vaccinated and boosted. Prior to catching COVID he was the healthiest 98 year old person I have ever met. I know his daughter is angry the vaccine didn't work as advertised, but no one has blamed his death on a reaction to the vaccine
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Post by rgs318 on Aug 11, 2022 15:16:37 GMT -5
There may also be some psychological conditioning going on here. Tell people often enough that many people have envious reactions and they will start to believe it...and possibly blow any reaction, even a minor one, out of proportion.
In a related way, I can remember a client who was undergoing chemo for his cancer. His doctor was concerned because he seemed quite depressed and refused to believe his treatment was going well. Why? Well, he had been ned to believe that this drug caused severe reactions it deleted the cancer cells. He felt - s he said- "too good for the medicine to be working properly." His treatment was quite successful and last I heard (about 12years after treatment) it had not reappeared. Things started to turn around for him when I had him talk to others who had used the same treatment and who haD suffered no serious symptoms.
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Post by longsuffering on Aug 11, 2022 15:30:16 GMT -5
With all cause mortality still running at stratospheric levels, many of these increasing number of deaths are reportedly related to circulatory issues. This is truly very sad AND equally unsettling.
I would hope/think that some here might be interested in the following report which includes this quote.
“The burden of proof, however, lies with the CDC and FDA to prove that the vaccines are not causing the increase in deaths due to the spike protein.”
www.aier.org/article/all-cause-mortality-in-the-united-states-during-2021/
I know more than a small handful of people who have passed on and/or suffered debilitating side effects within a reasonably short time period after taking these jabs.
IMO and as the report states unequivocally, a real regulatory agency would both address and produce reports on such a critically important topic. Regrettably the trust in this space has been eviscerated at the same time that trust in many institutions in our country has plummeted as well.
Also very sad.
Feel free to take your shot at me as the messenger. One might think a real response would be to address why so many of our fellow citizens are losing their lives especially at relatively young ages.
I do know a representative percentage of our very own Crusaders, students and staff and alumni alike who will NEVER go near another jab or booster after experiencing serious issues/scares that transpired after initial shots. What's the thinking among the Vax cautious about giving the polio vaccine to their children now that the first U.S. polio case in decades has occurred? It was surprising that only about 60% are vaccinated in the area of New York where the case was diagnosed. I thought that was one vaccine that was considered tried and true after decades of use.
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Post by rgs318 on Aug 11, 2022 15:33:26 GMT -5
The reluctance off some groups (such as the Hassidic communities in Rockland County. NY and in NJ) have done a lot to keep the number vaccinated lower that it might otherwise have been.
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