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Post by longsuffering on May 26, 2021 15:45:11 GMT -5
There was an article in the NYT that pointed out that 400 colleges and universities have imposed vaccination requirements for the fall. 92% of these are in states that Biden carried, 8% in states Trump carried. Everyone can draw their own conclusions. A logical conclusion I hope doesn't happen is liberal colleges in liberal states cancelling games at conservative colleges in conservative states that have no vaccination mandate. If all the players and coaches on the visiting team are vaccinated they should be safe.
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Post by bfoley82 on May 26, 2021 17:20:56 GMT -5
There was an article in the NYT that pointed out that 400 colleges and universities have imposed vaccination requirements for the fall. 92% of these are in states that Biden carried, 8% in states Trump carried. Everyone can draw their own conclusions. A logical conclusion I hope doesn't happen is liberal colleges in liberal states cancelling games at conservative colleges in conservative states that have no vaccination mandate. If all the players and coaches on the visiting team are vaccinated they should be safe. The NCAA did ban South Carolina colleges and universities from hosting NCAA events over the Confederate Flag at a time.
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Post by Tom on May 27, 2021 7:30:25 GMT -5
For what it's worth, when I renewed my football tickets, there was no question about my vaccination status. News reports say that the Knicks are requiring proof of vaccine or negative test to get into sold out Madison Sq. It will be interesting to see if Fitton (or Hart) has any such requirement come the fall They may not require proof for the Hart, unless there are staff/player(s) who are unvaccinated and potentially at risk for infection, or a vaccinated player or staff person is at risk for significant infection (e.g., immuno-compromised.) I was just speculating based on what a professional sports team was doing. Obviously no HC players will be unvaccinated because the school is requiring all students to be vaccinated. I can't imagine Hart requiring proof of vaccination for fans on a game by game basis based on vaccination status of opposing players. On the other hand, there are going to be staff members who are not getting vaccinated. The school is not requiring staff to get vaccinated and simple numbers suggest that some staff members will not be vaccinated. Trainers, security, ushers, concessions, janitors, If I take a wild guess that there are 20 people working a game night and (for the sake of argument) 15 % of the population chooses not to get vaccinated, there will probably be a staff person who is not vaccinated. I think it is likely that the criteria you stated above will be met. As I said in my original post, it will be interesting to see if HC imposes similar requirements to the Knicks. Barring a surge in the fall, I am predicting they won't require anything based on the fact that nothing was mentioned in the football ticket purchase
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Post by Tom on May 27, 2021 7:36:16 GMT -5
There was an article in the NYT that pointed out that 400 colleges and universities have imposed vaccination requirements for the fall. 92% of these are in states that Biden carried, 8% in states Trump carried. Everyone can draw their own conclusions. A logical conclusion I hope doesn't happen is liberal colleges in liberal states cancelling games at conservative colleges in conservative states that have no vaccination mandate. If all the players and coaches on the visiting team are vaccinated they should be safe. FYI - nothing to do with COVID, but the concept of colleges scheduling athletic contests based on conservative and liberal philosophies just made me throw up in my mouth. I'm pretty sure that Athens and Sparta were able to go head to head in ancient Olympics even though they had different philosophies about life
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Post by mm67 on May 27, 2021 15:57:58 GMT -5
Is there any noticeable, consistent difference in vaccinations and positivity rates between blue states and red states? Obviously, there are many factors such as population density, education, cultural norms, etc which may explain these differences among states. However, consistent differences\ in rates of infection, and vaccination between red & blue would be probative. No significant red & blue differences might go a long way toward reducing partisan rancor. Hope we can all take a deep breath & cool down.
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Post by longsuffering on May 27, 2021 16:08:01 GMT -5
A logical conclusion I hope doesn't happen is liberal colleges in liberal states cancelling games at conservative colleges in conservative states that have no vaccination mandate. If all the players and coaches on the visiting team are vaccinated they should be safe. FYI - nothing to do with COVID, but the concept of colleges scheduling athletic contests based on conservative and liberal philosophies just made me throw up in my mouth. I'm pretty sure that Athens and Sparta were able to go head to head in ancient Olympics even though they had different philosophies about life HC Football is from Sparta. The rest of the PL is from Athens.🤣
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Post by td128 on May 27, 2021 16:20:15 GMT -5
η ΤΑΝ Η ΕΠΙ ΤΑΣ
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Post by longsuffering on May 27, 2021 16:24:46 GMT -5
Is there any noticeable, consistent difference in vaccinations and positivity rates between blue states and red states? Obviously, there are many factors such as population density, education, cultural norms, etc which may explain these differences among states. However, consistent differences\ in rates of infection, and vaccination between red & blue would be probative. No significant red & blue differences might go a long way toward reducing partisan rancor. Hope we can all take a deep breath & cool down. There is a difference so far. Some people are focusing on "Don't tread on me." I think it is a stretch to define a life saving vaccine as treading on someone unless they are in the very small cohort where the vaccine is contra-indicated. But what might save the day would be a good percentage of anti-vaxers also being anti-maskers and thus having a higher incidence of Previous Covid infection and now natural immunity from antibodies that CNN announced today are still strong after a year.
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Post by bfoley82 on May 27, 2021 17:21:41 GMT -5
For what it's worth, when I renewed my football tickets, there was no question about my vaccination status. News reports say that the Knicks are requiring proof of vaccine or negative test to get into sold out Madison Sq. It will be interesting to see if Fitton (or Hart) has any such requirement come the fall They may not require proof for the Hart, unless there are staff/player(s) who are unvaccinated and potentially at risk for infection, or a vaccinated player or staff person is at risk for significant infection (e.g., immuno-compromised.) There is a cell phone app in NY state that connects with your vaccination status so you are just showing a pass. Almost like a vaccine passport covid19vaccine.health.ny.gov/excelsior-pass
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on May 27, 2021 17:38:22 GMT -5
Is there any noticeable, consistent difference in vaccinations and positivity rates between blue states and red states? Obviously, there are many factors such as population density, education, cultural norms, etc which may explain these differences among states. However, consistent differences\ in rates of infection, and vaccination between red & blue would be probative. No significant red & blue differences might go a long way toward reducing partisan rancor. Hope we can all take a deep breath & cool down. Yes. Vaccination percentage of population with at least one dose May 26 / positivity rate May 23Alabama 36% / 8.8% Massachusetts 66% / 0.9% Mississippi 34% / 4.3% New Jersey 59% / 0.9% Vaccination data from CDC as reported by NY Times, positivity rates from Johns Hopkins
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Post by newfieguy74 on May 27, 2021 18:05:42 GMT -5
About a week ago there were eight states with 60% of adults with at least one dose. Six were the New England states. One was Hawaii; I forget the other one.
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Post by bfoley82 on May 27, 2021 18:15:07 GMT -5
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Post by rgs318 on May 27, 2021 19:20:09 GMT -5
That can certainly be the motto of a winning team! ...at least one that makes an opponent pay dearly.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on May 28, 2021 6:45:42 GMT -5
About a week ago there were eight states with 60% of adults with at least one dose. Six were the New England states. One was Hawaii; I forget the other one. Nationally, 50 percent of the total US population has received at least one shot. 59 percent of those age 12 and up. 62 percent of those 18 and up. As of yesterday, there were 14 states with at least 55 percent of the total population having received at least one shot. All six New England states, NY, NJ, PA, MD, CA, WA NM, HI There were eight states with less than 40 percent of the total population having received at least one shot.. AK, GA, TN, ID, WY, AL, LA, MS. ______________________ As of May 27, for Worcester, percentage of population cohort having received at least one dose 12-15 18% 16-19 34% 20-29 43% 30-49 62% 50-64 79% 65-74 94% 75+ 91% A week ago, I had commented on parents in wealthy White communities frogmarching their youngsters to be vaccinated 2-15 year olds, percent vaccinated with at least one shotHamilton 48% Manchester 68% Marblehead 61% Swampscott 47% Compared to heavily Hispanic Lawrence at 12%
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on May 29, 2021 6:16:11 GMT -5
School-related COVID outbreak in the most vaccinated county in the U.S. Marin County is across the Golden Gate Bridge from San Francisco. Of Novato, where the school is located, there are so many SFPD and SFFD personnel living in Novato (where housing is cheaper than in the city) that there is a running joke that 'if there's an incident in Novato, the San Francisco Police Dept. will be there before the Novato police arrive'. Marin had a median household income of over $125,000 in 2018. This outbreak has the earmarks of either a teacher or a sports coach being unvaccinated, and infecting elementary school students, in a small-scale super-spreader event. The infected students then played an outdoor sports event (e.g., soccer) against a team from a nearby school. Assuming students and teachers were masked and maintained social distance while inside the-school, then the virus may have spread while the infected adult and the students were engaged in outdoor activity, while unmasked. I expect the CDC will investigate. I presume that the virus genome will be sequenced. It will be interesting to see whether it is the Indian variant, which apparently is 225% more contagious than the Wuhan strain. If there are other similar outbreaks elsewhere, this may lead to restrictions on the unvaccinated attending sporting events where significant numbers of other unvaccinated individuals are present. www.marinij.com/2021/05/26/marin-covid-19-outbreak-linked-to-novato-school/patch.com/california/sanrafael/marin-school-tied-coronavirus-outbreak-report
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jun 6, 2021 9:32:48 GMT -5
HC continues to test. These tests are presumably of staff who have chosen not to get vaccinated, and students who have not completed the two-shot mRNA vaccine sequence.
In the week following commencement (May 23-29) there were 622 tests, all negative. During the week of May 30-June 4, there were 476 tests, all negative.
Given the test results reporting sequence, the college may have reduced the testing frequency from twice a week to once.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jun 19, 2021 14:12:21 GMT -5
A s of June 16th, HC has lifted mask and social distancing requirements for vaccinated students and staff, indoors and outdoors. Limits on indoor gatherings end. Offices are back to 100 percent occupancy.
I believe this policy change is the result of 90 percent of on-campus students and staff becoming fully vaccinated. Unvaccinated students and staff must continue to wear masks and socially distance. Masks must be worn when visiting health services, or the COVID testing site in Hogan.
This back to normal policy will be reviewed on August 1, after assessing the vaccination status of students and staff who will be returning to campus for the fall semester.
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 19, 2021 19:15:59 GMT -5
A s of June 16th, HC has lifted mask and social distancing requirements for vaccinated students and staff, indoors and outdoors. Limits on indoor gatherings end. Offices are back to 100 percent occupancy. I believe this policy change is the result of 90 percent of on-campus students and staff becoming fully vaccinated. Unvaccinated students and staff must continue to wear masks and socially distance. Masks must be worn when visiting health services, or the COVID testing site in Hogan. This back to normal policy will be reviewed on August 1, after assessing the vaccination status of students and staff who will be returning to campus for the fall semester. Well done Holy Cross.
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Post by td128 on Jun 20, 2021 6:26:51 GMT -5
So the Holy Cross administration is using the scarlet letter approach. How interesting. If somebody has had the virus and developed antibodies and in turn embraces the long-standing and widely accepted ethical principle of informed consent not to get vaxxed, the school still says these individuals need to walk around with the scarlet letter. Says a lot. #pathetic #gutless I find it very very interesting how so many people today so easily dismiss basic principles of medical ethics. That truly fascinates me. I think in time we will reflect and appreciate the massive failure of leadership on this specific ethical topic. Informed Consent: www.ama-assn.org/delivering-care/ethics/informed-consentHaving previously referenced the use and efficacy of the drug ivermectin, I welcome sharing this recently released review: journals.lww.com/americantherapeutics/abstract/9000/ivermectin_for_prevention_and_treatment_of.98040.aspxI will now refrain from further comment.
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Post by newfieguy74 on Jun 20, 2021 6:52:50 GMT -5
So the Holy Cross administration is using the scarlet letter approach. How interesting. If somebody has had the virus and developed antibodies and in turn embraces the long-standing and widely accepted ethical principle of informed consent not to get vaxxed, the school still says these individuals need to walk around with the scarlet letter. Says a lot. #pathetic #gutless I find it very very interesting how so many people today so easily dismiss basic principles of medical ethics. That truly fascinates me. I think in time we will reflect and appreciate the massive failure of leadership on this specific ethical topic. I will now refrain from further comment. But does anyone know how long antidotes last? Isn't that part of the issue with people who have not been vaccinated, a group that includes people who won't get vaccinated just because. I'm not sure what informed consent has to do with this. Informed consent is the consent a person gives to having a medical procedure after having been informed of all the risks, hence the word consent. In many cases people who won't get a vaccine are demonstrating uninformed dissent.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jun 20, 2021 19:11:42 GMT -5
Vaccination is not mandatory. For a religious or medical reason, students may be exempted. During the spring semester, students who had tested positive for COVID were subsequently exempted from periodic testing once their isolation period was completed. It may be that HC will exempt the previously infected from the vaccination protocol. It should also be noted that vaccinated individuals who become re-infected have a lower viral load, and pose substantially less risk of infecting others. This is a key factor to consider. The same apparently cannot be said for unvaccinated individuals who are re-infected. www.nature.com/articles/s41591-021-01316-7From the number of positive cases at HC between January and May, about 25+ percent of the students with access to campus became infected. There is no public data on the number who were asymptomatic, symptomatic, symptomatic and requiring clinical care. There were no deaths. Antibody levels decrease with time, so an antibody test would not be predictive of a person's immune response to a COVID reinfection. A new test is just becoming available, which will measure T-cell levels. T-cells are enduring, and I would think a T-cell test would be predictive of an individual's immunological robustness against COVID over many months. However, these tests are relatively expensive. Vaccinations are free. So I suppose if a student wants to pay $xxxx over the course of his/her matriculation, avoid being vaccinated, and use the T-call test results to also be exempt from having to wear a mask / socially distance, fine by me. (But also not my call.) I believe the emergency use authorization for both the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines will be converted to full approval by the end of the year, or early 2022. The EUA would continue for minors. Perhaps the best testimonial for getting vaccinated after being infected with COVID comes from DJT and spouse, both stricken with symptomatic COVID, he more seriously than she, when both [secretly] received a two dose mRNA vaccine during their last month at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.
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Post by Chu Chu on Jun 21, 2021 10:53:36 GMT -5
So the Holy Cross administration is using the scarlet letter approach. How interesting. If somebody has had the virus and developed antibodies and in turn embraces the long-standing and widely accepted ethical principle of informed consent not to get vaxxed, the school still says these individuals need to walk around with the scarlet letter. Says a lot. #pathetic #gutless I find it very very interesting how so many people today so easily dismiss basic principles of medical ethics. That truly fascinates me. I think in time we will reflect and appreciate the massive failure of leadership on this specific ethical topic. I will now refrain from further comment. But does anyone know how long antidotes last? Isn't that part of the issue with people who have not been vaccinated, a group that includes people who won't get vaccinated just because. I'm not sure what informed consent has to do with this. Informed consent is the consent a person gives to having a medical procedure after having been informed of all the risks, hence the word consent. In many cases people who won't get a vaccine are demonstrating uninformed dissent. newfieguy74 said:
"In many cases people who won't get a vaccine are demonstrating uninformed dissent." BINGO!
I am eternally grateful for the people in my community (and to all of you) who have worn masks. They have demonstrated a consideration and concern for others that has been the bedrock of our ability to control this virus. In my opinion, "Men and women for others!"
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Post by timholycross on Jun 21, 2021 13:39:38 GMT -5
But does anyone know how long antidotes last? Isn't that part of the issue with people who have not been vaccinated, a group that includes people who won't get vaccinated just because. I'm not sure what informed consent has to do with this. Informed consent is the consent a person gives to having a medical procedure after having been informed of all the risks, hence the word consent. In many cases people who won't get a vaccine are demonstrating uninformed dissent. newfieguy74 said:
"In many cases people who won't get a vaccine are demonstrating uninformed dissent." BINGO!
I am eternally grateful for the people in my community (and to all of you) who have worn masks. They have demonstrated a consideration and concern for others that has been the bedrock of our ability to control this virus. In my opinion, "Men and women for others!"You're welcome. I did my part, masks, vaccinations, even donated blood. Now you won't see me in one unless there's a sign entering somewhere that demands it.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jul 15, 2021 6:52:43 GMT -5
July 15th (today) is the deadline for matriculating students to submit their vaccination status to HC. HC is running two contests, one is a VIP food truck experience for the first class to reach 90% vaccinated with at least one shot. As of yesterday, the class of 2022 has won, with over 90 percent of the class reporting being vaccinated.
The second contest is if the college, as a whole, reaches 90 percent, there will be a fall concert, performers not announced. As of yesterday, 88 percent of matriculating students have reported being vaccinated. That seems to ensure there will be a fall concert.
At 90 percent of the college, there are no restrictions on the vaccinated, and very few, if any?, on the still unvaccinated.
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Post by bfoley82 on Jul 15, 2021 19:10:35 GMT -5
July 15th (today) is the deadline for matriculating students to submit their vaccination status to HC. HC is running two contests, one is a VIP food truck experience for the first class to reach 90% vaccinated with at least one shot. As of yesterday, the class of 2022 has won, with over 90 percent of the class reporting being vaccinated. The second contest is if the college, as a whole, reaches 90 percent, there will be a fall concert, performers not announced. As of yesterday, 88 percent of matriculating students have reported being vaccinated. That seems to ensure there will be a fall concert. At 90 percent of the college, there are no restrictions on the vaccinated, and very few, if any?, on the still unvaccinated. LA County in CA just went back to masks indoors again...
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