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Post by rgs318 on Jul 21, 2021 10:04:26 GMT -5
At one point I was under the impression that the PL had a rule that members could not schedule D-2 teams to protect the strength of schedule for all members. Either that was a mis-impression or it has changed. That goers back a few years. Some PL members (Navy was one, IIRC) played several lower division games every year.
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Post by bison137 on Jul 21, 2021 11:54:32 GMT -5
At one point I was under the impression that the PL had a rule that members could not schedule D-2 teams to protect the strength of schedule for all members. Either that was a mis-impression or it has changed. The rule relating to D2/D3 games has changed a few times. Through 2007, there was no rule or limit. Army, Navy, and Lafayette used to routinely play two D2/D3 games. Then the league came up with a rule that schools could only play D1 games. That lasted a couple of years, but then budgets were affected by the financial meltdown. There was little money in the budget for travel, and opponents were reluctant to travel long distances for an OOC game. Thus the PL changed the rule in 2010 to allow one D2/D3 game a year, presumably to make scheduling easier/cheaper. Theoretically that rule was supposed to go away again when endowments returned to more robust numbers, but it never did. In fact it was changed in May 2020, in the middle of the worst of the pandemic, to allow teams to once again play two D2/D3 games. However it turned out PL teams didn't play any OOC in 2020, so that provision was moot for the year. Lafayette, Army and Navy have continued to play one D2/D3 team every year. No idea if any of them, r others, will go to two this year.
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Post by rgs318 on Jul 21, 2021 12:00:37 GMT -5
At one point I was under the impression that the PL had a rule that members could not schedule D-2 teams to protect the strength of schedule for all members. Either that was a mis-impression or it has changed. No idea if any of them, or others, will go to two this year.I've heard that HC, for one, will have 2 lower division games this year.
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Post by bigfan on Jul 21, 2021 12:02:01 GMT -5
The Patriot League plays like D2.
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Post by bison137 on Jul 21, 2021 12:09:40 GMT -5
The Patriot League plays like D2. Then a lot of conferences must play like HS leagues. The PL ranked 21st and 23rd out of 32 conferences the last two full seasons. There are perhaps 19 leagues that are mid-major or low-major - so the PL is at least average of those leagues.
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Post by hchoops on Jul 21, 2021 12:12:39 GMT -5
The Patriot League plays like D2. Tennessee may disagree Colgate 77-70 NCAA first round Kenpom—#89 in 2021
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Post by newfieguy74 on Jul 21, 2021 12:15:28 GMT -5
The Patriot League plays like D2. This is incorrect.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jul 21, 2021 13:44:04 GMT -5
The Patriot League plays like D2. Tennessee may disagree Colgate 77-70 NCAA first round Kenpom—#89 in 2021 They played Arkansas
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Post by bison137 on Jul 21, 2021 13:48:21 GMT -5
Tennessee may disagree Colgate 77-70 NCAA first round Kenpom—#89 in 2021 They played Arkansas The Colgate/Tennessee score was from the 2019 tournament.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Jul 21, 2021 14:27:15 GMT -5
Duke may disagree with bigfan's premise.....as well as Kansas, Arkansas, Arizona, Notre Dame, Xavier, Syracuse, Pitt....heck, even Kentucky and Marquette might disagree. And that's not even getting into the A-10 schools that have lost to D2 PL.
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Post by longsuffering on Jul 21, 2021 14:56:11 GMT -5
A couple of D-2 during the uncertainty of the Covid era, OK. But I do hope UMass Boston or Williams will never darken our door again.😊
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Post by rgs318 on Jul 21, 2021 15:20:20 GMT -5
Why not? Do you believe lightning will strike twice in the same place?
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Post by bfoley82 on Jul 21, 2021 15:21:17 GMT -5
The Patriot League plays like D2. The NE-10 is a solid conference so this will be interesting to see how competitive they will be with a low level D-1.
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Post by hchoops on Jul 21, 2021 16:15:42 GMT -5
Who is HC playing in the NE10 ?
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Post by timholycross on Jul 21, 2021 17:01:33 GMT -5
A couple of D-2 during the uncertainty of the Covid era, OK. But I do hope UMass Boston or Williams will never darken our door again.😊 It's never embarrassing to be mentioned in the same sentence as Williams or Amherst. Unless you lose, of course.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jul 21, 2021 18:49:58 GMT -5
Who is HC playing in the NE10 ? Assumption exhibition I would imagine
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Jul 22, 2021 7:18:04 GMT -5
I'm sure there are plenty of D-2 players 6-2 and under who could play for a low D-1 squad. The discrepancy imho is with the bigs; there are only so many 6-9 kids out there that can play ball. At the same time, you'll sometimes see 6-5/6-6 "bigs" in D2 who are better players than some 6-9 D1 guys. Coaches I guess like to think they can develop the taller kids, and thus take them over some of those smaller guys that end up doing quite well in D2. It's not like the players are car parts, and a Mustang engine is better than a Pinto engine. We're talking flesh and blood.
What's worse, a low D-1 like HC losing to a D-2 team......or say, a number 1 seed losing to a number 16, or maybe a power school losing to a NAIA team. Hello, Virginia Cavaliers, you've hit the daily double!
The "PL is holding HC back" talk is really getting old. I'm no fan of some of their administrative decisions (going way back to not allowing scholarships), but they had nothing to do with HC's hiring decisions over the last decade or so (or recruiting, or anything else, for that matter).
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Post by longsuffering on Jul 25, 2021 12:09:40 GMT -5
I'm sure there are plenty of D-2 players 6-2 and under who could play for a low D-1 squad. The discrepancy imho is with the bigs; there are only so many 6-9 kids out there that can play ball. At the same time, you'll sometimes see 6-5/6-6 "bigs" in D2 who are better players than some 6-9 D1 guys. Coaches I guess like to think they can develop the taller kids, and thus take them over some of those smaller guys that end up doing quite well in D2. It's not like the players are car parts, and a Mustang engine is better than a Pinto engine. We're talking flesh and blood. What's worse, a low D-1 like HC losing to a D-2 team......or say, a number 1 seed losing to a number 16, or maybe a power school losing to a NAIA team. Hello, Virginia Cavaliers, you've hit the daily double! The "PL is holding HC back" talk is really getting old. I'm no fan of some of their administrative decisions (going way back to not allowing scholarships), but they had nothing to do with HC's hiring decisions over the last decade or so (or recruiting, or anything else, for that matter). I never owned a Pinto, but I did have a Chevy Vega and I can attest a Mustang engine is much better. When HC played Williams I thought their guards and wings were very well coached, disciplined and quick and could easily mesh with D-1 bigs at the PL level. Another memory of that game is Hurley absolutely skying over the defenders, well above the rim, but not having the touch to get the ball to actually go in and through the hoop on many attempts, so your analysis seems right. Of Course Williams was a national contender at that time. There are many lower levels of D-3. My parents had a neighbor kid who loved basketball but his father was in a regional symphony orchestra and wanted the kids to be in the junior orchestra which conflicted with BB so he never played HS or AAU. He still played varsity at Hampshire College. He used to practice across the street at a third neighbor's wide driveway and hoop. That couple lived through two more generations of kids using their driveway and listening to every bounce reverberate after their own kids grew up, and never complained. A special place in heaven for them.
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Post by trimster on Jul 30, 2021 8:34:08 GMT -5
And on 12-11, Siena is at HC. The Saints announced their OOC schedule in the last day or so. Someday, HC will release their schedule.
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Post by trimster on Jul 30, 2021 22:17:53 GMT -5
Per ADMB. One ACC game, two A-10 games Two Div-II games. Siena. Fairfield. The Acc opponent and one of A-10 opponents are in the same city. Not hard to guess who they are. I just stumbled upon the D1 Docket, a hoops schedule tracker, on the William and Mary board. Most schedules are in the range of 75-90% complete and so far, no A10 games and one ACC game vs BC. The HC schedule has 5-6 games listed against opponents that have been noted elsewhere in this thread. Didn’t see HC on any Ivy League schedules or Northeastern.
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Post by gerry on Aug 1, 2021 9:52:00 GMT -5
Colgate and Northeastern are playing each other twice? That is bizarre. Holy Cross couldn't have swapped out of their two D2/3 games for a matchup with the Huskies?
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Post by trimster on Aug 1, 2021 11:17:05 GMT -5
Colgate and Northeastern are playing each other twice? That is bizarre. Holy Cross couldn't have swapped out of their two D2/3 games for a matchup with the Huskies? My gut tells me our schedule is going to be very underwhelming. Speaking of which, now that it is August, maybe it will be released by the end of the week. Yeah, that’s the ticket.
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Post by trimster on Aug 1, 2021 11:26:40 GMT -5
Colgate and Northeastern are playing each other twice? That is bizarre. Holy Cross couldn't have swapped out of their two D2/3 games for a matchup with the Huskies? Good catch. The Huskies still have at least 3 more dates to fill so maybe HC will be one of them. You would think it would be an annual game but maybe they are looking for a more competitive matchup based on the last game between the two.
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Post by sader1970 on Aug 1, 2021 15:55:52 GMT -5
Seems like we’ve gone down this road before with a basketball coach being accused of dumbing down the schedule in order to gain crucial wins to retain his job.
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Post by trimster on Aug 1, 2021 16:10:04 GMT -5
Seems like we’ve gone down this road before with a basketball coach being accused of dumbing down the schedule in order to gain crucial wins to retain his job. As someone else pointed out, it takes two to tango when arranging games. To be clear, I am not insinuating our coach is looking to put together a soft schedule to up his winning percentage. Many of the opponents old timers like me would like to see on the schedule haven’t seen HC as a desirable foe for many years.
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