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May 9, 2021 11:07:15 GMT -5
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Post by HC92 on May 9, 2021 11:07:15 GMT -5
That’s next year’s tuition, room and board, health service fee and activity fee. Ridiculous but not as high as was predicted it would be in 2004 when my first child who is now a he junior was born. At some point in his college career, the projection in 2004 was that HC would be six figures.
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May 9, 2021 14:07:47 GMT -5
Post by timholycross on May 9, 2021 14:07:47 GMT -5
When my daughter was born in 2000, I figured it would be 250 if HC was in her future...and it exceeded that by a little.
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May 9, 2021 16:52:36 GMT -5
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Post by trimster on May 9, 2021 16:52:36 GMT -5
That is a lot of coin. Lots of pressure on the college to produce a solid return on such an investment and to do so quickly.
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May 9, 2021 17:48:16 GMT -5
Post by purplehaze on May 9, 2021 17:48:16 GMT -5
I think HC has proven that its grads are doing very well in the short term and long term, for the most part - the challenge is to get the 'marketing' to improve and not let the Colgate, Nova types pass us - I understand there are and will be some new blood in those related offices and time to get to work - the Williams' financial aid initiative will play a big role.
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May 9, 2021 17:58:24 GMT -5
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Post by Sons of Vaval on May 9, 2021 17:58:24 GMT -5
If you’re a Mass. resident, sending little Johnny to UMass for $16K a year doesn’t sound too bad.
Is an HC education four times better than UMass? Doubt it.
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May 9, 2021 18:22:08 GMT -5
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Post by bison137 on May 9, 2021 18:22:08 GMT -5
If you’re a Mass. resident, sending little Johnny to UMass for $16K a year doesn’t sound too bad. Is an HC education four times better than UMass? Doubt it. The 16K figure is only tuition. With everything included, it's about $31K. So the question is whether a HC education is a little better than twice as good.
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May 9, 2021 18:28:12 GMT -5
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Post by longsuffering on May 9, 2021 18:28:12 GMT -5
There's a special place in heaven for parents who pay the sticker price.
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Post by thecrossisback on May 9, 2021 18:56:15 GMT -5
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May 9, 2021 19:06:41 GMT -5
Post by trimster on May 9, 2021 19:06:41 GMT -5
Our new President and the Board of Trustees have a full plate what with Covid, declining pool of potential students and the value of a liberal arts degree being questioned particularly given the cost of attending an elite college like HC.
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Post by crossbball13 on May 9, 2021 19:42:20 GMT -5
If you’re a Mass. resident, sending little Johnny to UMass for $16K a year doesn’t sound too bad. Is an HC education four times better than UMass? Doubt it. The 16K figure is only tuition. With everything included, it's about $31K. So the question is whether a HC education is a little better than twice as good. Don’t let facts get in the way of SOV having his usual overbearing opinion.
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Post by ts1970 on May 9, 2021 20:57:20 GMT -5
If you’re a Mass. resident, sending little Johnny to UMass for $16K a year doesn’t sound too bad. Is an HC education four times better than UMass? Doubt it. The 16K figure is only tuition. With everything included, it's about $31K. So the question is whether a HC education is a little better than twice as good. It’s not just the education but everything else that goes with the degree: the value of the reputation/prestige of the college and the value of the college’s alumni/alumnae network along with all the assistance and opportunities provided by same to graduates.
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May 9, 2021 21:19:23 GMT -5
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Post by longsuffering on May 9, 2021 21:19:23 GMT -5
I didn't take it as an overbearing opinion because a UMass grad and an HC grad are both well educated. I hope Holy Cross officials are trying to keep costs as affordable as possible. We have a unique product to offer but it isn't inherently several times more valuable than a good flagship State University from what I can see.
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Post by mm67 on May 9, 2021 21:24:07 GMT -5
Obviously state universities are & for decades have been less expensive for their residents than HC & other private colleges & universities. The cost of attending a private college today is astronomical. Increasing the endowment and providing financial aid to almost all but the affluent is a key to attracting top notch students. HYP and other Ivies have set the paradigm for financial aid which we should all try to emulate as closely as possible. Add declining birth rates to the mix and maybe a mass extinction will occur which will leave only the strongest private colleges standing. FWIW Washington Monthly Mag ranked HC #18 among all National Liberal Arts Colleges. Also, they ranked HC #11 in "Biggest Bang For The Buck" among all colleges & universities in the Northeast. Despite the weeping & gnashing of teeth HC is a strong school & the incoming administration will seek to strengthen it further by implementing needed changes and enhance the learning experience for all students. I see a bright future for HC as an upgraded small liberal arts college.
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Post by longsuffering on May 9, 2021 21:27:46 GMT -5
The 16K figure is only tuition. With everything included, it's about $31K. So the question is whether a HC education is a little better than twice as good. It’s not just the education but everything else that goes with the degree: the value of the reputation/prestige of the college and the value of the college’s alumni/alumnae network along with all the assistance and opportunities provided by same to graduates. My experience is 99% of production in the work world comes from the work of the individual, maybe one percent from his/her alumni network. I got one part time summer job loading trucks at UPS where the hiring manager made a big fuss about Holy Cross, but it was me lifting those boxes, not HC.
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May 9, 2021 21:56:06 GMT -5
Post by ts1970 on May 9, 2021 21:56:06 GMT -5
I have no statistics or figures on this.......just my own experiences as well as that of some of my classmates.
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May 9, 2021 23:44:10 GMT -5
Post by KY Crusader 75 on May 9, 2021 23:44:10 GMT -5
The 16K figure is only tuition. With everything included, it's about $31K. So the question is whether a HC education is a little better than twice as good. It’s not just the education but everything else that goes with the degree: the value of the reputation/prestige of the college and the value of the college’s alumni/alumnae network along with all the assistance and opportunities provided by same to graduates. Prospective students also consider other matters such as whether the four years will be more/less enjoyable than competitive colleges and that's where location, food, housing, extracurriculars come into play. They are important.
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Post by WCHC Sports on May 10, 2021 14:05:28 GMT -5
I loved HC, my education, my experience, my classmates, the campus, etc. I did not pay full freight between financial aid and scholarships. Even so, I was saddled with debt and making payments for years after graduation, and payments longer than four years of graduation. By that I mean I paid for school for not just the four years I was there, and the four years I was out, but more years still after that. It was a massive handicap-- it was a bit of a struggle to pay for my car, I had to live at home, I did not have a casual or financially flexible lifestyle, etc. And that's when tuition and room and board was in the low $40s.
At nearly double, why am I going to have my kids take out the equivalent of a home loan to then live at home when they graduate? Even my money guys are saying to have them learn a trade and make more money out of the gate and incur less debt.
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May 10, 2021 14:37:49 GMT -5
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Post by Tom on May 10, 2021 14:37:49 GMT -5
This is an on-going issue with Holy Cross and other private institutions, Are they pricing themselves out of the market? Is it better to go to a state school and get a less prestigious degree but have manageable debt? Or opt for a trade school and get good money right away and no debt? As the price tag goes up, these other options might become more attractive than being a Crusader
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Post by alum on May 10, 2021 15:22:12 GMT -5
alum---That's awfully harsh, in fact unwarranted-why not think it over and delete your message? Fine, I deleted it because it was a bit harsh but I don't agree that it was unwarranted.
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Post by trimster on May 10, 2021 15:54:04 GMT -5
Society needs to hit a big reset button to do something about inflation. As WCHC pointed out, the debt many college grads are facing is crushing. The cost of attending a private college has risen exponentially over the last generation or two. Has the cost of a college providing its services during that time risen exponentially as well?
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Post by ts1970 on May 10, 2021 19:31:05 GMT -5
It’s not just the education but everything else that goes with the degree: the value of the reputation/prestige of the college and the value of the college’s alumni/alumnae network along with all the assistance and opportunities provided by same to graduates. My experience is 99% of production in the work world comes from the work of the individual, maybe one percent from his/her alumni network. I got one part time summer job loading trucks at UPS where the hiring manager made a big fuss about Holy Cross, but it was me lifting those boxes, not HC. May 9, 2021 22:56:06 GMT -4 ts1970 said: I have no statistics or figures on this.......just my own experiences as well as that of some of my classmates. The value of the HC network: For example, in my case, I had some poor but mostly mediocre grades at HC. Too much goofing off, not enough studying until the last semester of senior year. First semester senior year I had a failing grade and a D+ in another course both in my major. Broke up with the gf that semester.....Mets won the pennant and the series in 69, yadda, yadda, yadda....the Vietnam war moratorium in DC in November.......so didn’t go to class regularly. Overall I recall my gpa was somewhere between 2.0 and 3.0 upon graduation. Much closer to 2.0 than 3.0 as I remember. A year later I had the nerve to apply to law school. I applied to six and was rejected by five. The one that accepted me, Drake University in Des Moines, Iowa had a HC graduate in charge of admissions. He must have convinced the law school administration (there was also a Fordham grad in the admin.) to accept me, and things worked out. I graduated three years later and passed the NJ bar exam on my first attempt and went on to have a successful career as a lawyer. Although I never spoke to the man, I am convinced to this day that the HC connection at that law school was the key to my getting the opportunity to become a lawyer and work in my chosen profession.
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Post by longsuffering on May 10, 2021 20:23:32 GMT -5
My experience is 99% of production in the work world comes from the work of the individual, maybe one percent from his/her alumni network. I got one part time summer job loading trucks at UPS where the hiring manager made a big fuss about Holy Cross, but it was me lifting those boxes, not HC. May 9, 2021 22:56:06 GMT -4 ts1970 said: I have no statistics or figures on this.......just my own experiences as well as that of some of my classmates. The value of the HC network: For example, in my case, I had some poor but mostly mediocre grades at HC. Too much goofing off, not enough studying until the last semester of senior year. First semester senior year I had a failing grade and a D+ in another course both in my major. Broke up with the gf that semester.....Mets won the pennant and the series in 69, yadda, yadda, yadda....the Vietnam war moratorium in DC in November.......so didn’t go to class regularly. Overall I recall my gpa was somewhere between 2.0 and 3.0 upon graduation. Much closer to 2.0 than 3.0 as I remember. A year later I had the nerve to apply to law school. I applied to six and was rejected by five. The one that accepted me, Drake University in Des Moines, Iowa had a HC graduate in charge of admissions. He must have convinced the law school administration (there was also a Fordham grad in the admin.) to accept me, and things worked out. I graduated three years later and passed the NJ bar exam on my first attempt and went on to have a successful career as a lawyer. Although I never spoke to the man, I am convinced to this day that the HC connection at that law school was the key to my getting the opportunity to become a lawyer and work in my chosen profession. Good points TS. That fellow alum opened a door for you and then you put in a half century of good work. Perhaps we should give the opportunity your HC connection gave you more than one percent of the credit for your success and your work less than 99% of the credit, but it's not an exact science. Either way a great Holy Cross success story.
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Post by newfieguy74 on May 10, 2021 20:33:33 GMT -5
I have a little different kind of HC story. I was one of four children and my father was in the Coast Guard. We weren't rich. My parents said they'd help me through HC but I was then on my own. I got into a bunch of law schools but had no money. Suffolk Law School offered me a free ride. It was called the David I. Walsh Scholarship. As many of you know, Walsh was an HC alum and governor of MA. And speaking of UPS, I supported myself in law school by getting up at 2:00 AM every night and loading trucks at UPS from 3-7 Am before driving into Boston for classes.
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May 11, 2021 1:00:20 GMT -5
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Post by bfoley82 on May 11, 2021 1:00:20 GMT -5
The 16K figure is only tuition. With everything included, it's about $31K. So the question is whether a HC education is a little better than twice as good. It’s not just the education but everything else that goes with the degree: the value of the reputation/prestige of the college and the value of the college’s alumni/alumnae network along with all the assistance and opportunities provided by same to graduates. The alumni network though at UMass is so much bigger so that could be a negative for the private schools...🤷♂️
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Post by hcpride on May 11, 2021 4:46:11 GMT -5
It’s not just the education but everything else that goes with the degree: the value of the reputation/prestige of the college and the value of the college’s alumni/alumnae network along with all the assistance and opportunities provided by same to graduates. The alumni network though at UMass is so much bigger so that could be a negative for the private schools...🤷♂️ I see that with my students. Lately, more kids are picking SUNY Binghamton over Fordham. Don’t assume the test scores and prestige are higher at the Jesuit school. Don’t assume the Bing alumni network is smaller or somehow less accomplished. And, as NY residents, the cost of attendance is substantially lower at Bing. Ditto Stony Brook for STEM v several private schools (including our Pennsy friends). The two very recent trends I see are kids continuing to look south and more and more of the brighter kids picking the well-regarded state schools. Would not shock me to see the same in MA.
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