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Post by hc1998 on Jan 17, 2022 15:56:48 GMT -5
The universal extra Covid year of eligibility is exasperating the disadvantage. But if someone sits at HC as a Freshman for purely development reasons with no injury, do they meet other schools' redshirt requirements to play a fifth year and thus allow them to grad transfer from HC and play one more year, after the extra Covid year expires for all? I may be confusing the pre-Covid rules, but I thought in recent years, if you graduated in 4 years then went to another institution for grad school you received an extra year of eligibility regardless of any redshirt status...had you redshirted potentially there were 2 years of eligibility?
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Post by timholycross on Jan 17, 2022 16:25:01 GMT -5
We should have a grad program in Public Health-- very easy to do and we have enough people on this board that can teach the classes. Given all that Covid has done to the world and the world of athletics at Holy Cross it would seem a natural option given the role NIH has played- the good-the bad- and the mess Plenty of learnings and I bet someone would fund a Fauci lab as part of the program or give the program naming rights Worcester Institute of Virology? WIV. Sorry, couldn't resist.
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Post by longsuffering on Jan 17, 2022 16:27:30 GMT -5
I wasn't aware of that rule. It would have PL teams in the position as kind of Super Jucos. A school with graduate programs spends a one year scholarship and gets a player with four years of development they can scout against FCS competition not HS players. Almost too good to be true.
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Post by hc1998 on Jan 17, 2022 17:17:52 GMT -5
I wasn't aware of that rule. It would have PL teams in the position as kind of Super Jucos. A school with graduate programs spends a one year scholarship and gets a player with four years of development they can scout against FCS competition not HS players. Almost too good to be true. I may have remembered it wrong...and maybe it wasn't available in football, but if you remember RJ Evans from our basketball team, I believe he went and played a year at UConn without ever having redshirted for us, or sitting out at UConn...it also would work for switching sports, Greg Paulus played 4 years of hoops at Duke then went to Cuse and was their starting QB for a season.
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Post by longsuffering on Jan 17, 2022 17:26:46 GMT -5
I wasn't aware of that rule. It would have PL teams in the position as kind of Super Jucos. A school with graduate programs spends a one year scholarship and gets a player with four years of development they can scout against FCS competition not HS players. Almost too good to be true. I may have remembered it wrong...and maybe it wasn't available in football, but if you remember RJ Evans from our basketball team, I believe he went and played a year at UConn without ever having redshirted for us, or sitting out at UConn...it also would work for switching sports, Greg Paulus played 4 years of hoops at Duke then went to Cuse and was their starting QB for a season. Correct, former Patriots wide receiver Chris Hogan played four years of Lacrosse at Penn State and then played one year of football at Monmouth, probably as a grad student. Since he's married to a Physician, I bet he stayed for the second semester at Monmouth and completed whatever program he was in, although it wouldn't have been necessary to get into the NFL.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jan 18, 2022 19:57:58 GMT -5
I wasn't aware of that rule. It would have PL teams in the position as kind of Super Jucos. A school with graduate programs spends a one year scholarship and gets a player with four years of development they can scout against FCS competition not HS players. Almost too good to be true. I may have remembered it wrong...and maybe it wasn't available in football, but if you remember RJ Evans from our basketball team, I believe he went and played a year at UConn without ever having redshirted for us, or sitting out at UConn...it also would work for switching sports, Greg Paulus played 4 years of hoops at Duke then went to Cuse and was their starting QB for a season. Paulus and Evans were slightly different scenarios. The season of basketball RJ played at UCONN was his fourth year of basketball eligibility. He earned a medical redshirt his sophomore year. He COULD have played for Holy Cross as a fifth year senior in 2012-2013 (a la Pat Doherty and AK34) but chose to graduate on time and pursue grad school at UCONN. Paulus (Duke hoops and Cuse foootball) and Chris Hogan (PSU lax, Monmouth football) benefited from a different rule that allows you to use up all 4 years of eligibility in one sport and still get 1 year of eligibility in a 2nd sport. Im not sure if you HAVE to have graduated to do this but pretty sure both Hogan and Paulus were indeed grad students when they took advantage of this.
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Post by hc1998 on Jan 19, 2022 12:42:51 GMT -5
You may be right...I acknowledged all of those scenarios (except RJ who I forgot redshirted) were different then what I was discussing. I tried finding literature backing up or disproving what I thought to be the case, but thats tough with so much out there right now re the Covid transfer rules. Perhaps what I was thinking, and I do believe this to be the case, was that previously if you wished to transfer, you had to sit out a year, however if you were graduated and transferring with eligibility left, you did not.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jan 19, 2022 17:26:38 GMT -5
You may be right...I acknowledged all of those scenarios (except RJ who I forgot redshirted) were different then what I was discussing. I tried finding literature backing up or disproving what I thought to be the case, but thats tough with so much out there right now re the Covid transfer rules. Perhaps what I was thinking, and I do believe this to be the case, was that previously if you wished to transfer, you had to sit out a year, however if you were graduated and transferring with eligibility left, you did not. Im so behind on keeping up with NCAA eligibility and transfer rules. So much has changed since I waa in school. I know the grad transfer thing started when I was at HC because we had a baseball guy 2 years ahead of me (who played football his frosh yr under Allen) that did his grad year at UCF without having to sit out. I think in old times Evans would've had to sit a year before being able play at UCONN.
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Post by rgs318 on Jan 19, 2022 17:30:13 GMT -5
Since he graduated from HC, he would have been eligible immediately as a grad student. I can remember grad students at BC going back decades who were able to play immediately.
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Post by bfoley82 on Jan 20, 2022 14:21:55 GMT -5
I may have remembered it wrong...and maybe it wasn't available in football, but if you remember RJ Evans from our basketball team, I believe he went and played a year at UConn without ever having redshirted for us, or sitting out at UConn...it also would work for switching sports, Greg Paulus played 4 years of hoops at Duke then went to Cuse and was their starting QB for a season. Paulus and Evans were slightly different scenarios. The season of basketball RJ played at UCONN was his fourth year of basketball eligibility. He earned a medical redshirt his sophomore year. He COULD have played for Holy Cross as a fifth year senior in 2012-2013 (a la Pat Doherty and AK34) but chose to graduate on time and pursue grad school at UCONN. Paulus (Duke hoops and Cuse foootball) and Chris Hogan (PSU lax, Monmouth football) benefited from a different rule that allows you to use up all 4 years of eligibility in one sport and still get 1 year of eligibility in a 2nd sport. Im not sure if you HAVE to have graduated to do this but pretty sure both Hogan and Paulus were indeed grad students when they took advantage of this. Jared Bernhardt who was one of the top lax players in the country for four seasons with Maryland was the starting quarterback this past season with D-2 national champion Ferris State. www.ferrisstatebulldogs.com/sports/fball/2021-22/bios/bernhardt_jared_rs6g
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Post by hc2020 on Jan 20, 2022 18:47:44 GMT -5
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Post by longsuffering on Jan 20, 2022 18:53:31 GMT -5
Hope the players have a seat at the table also.
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Post by hcpride on Jan 20, 2022 19:22:46 GMT -5
Paulus and Evans were slightly different scenarios. The season of basketball RJ played at UCONN was his fourth year of basketball eligibility. He earned a medical redshirt his sophomore year. He COULD have played for Holy Cross as a fifth year senior in 2012-2013 (a la Pat Doherty and AK34) but chose to graduate on time and pursue grad school at UCONN. Paulus (Duke hoops and Cuse foootball) and Chris Hogan (PSU lax, Monmouth football) benefited from a different rule that allows you to use up all 4 years of eligibility in one sport and still get 1 year of eligibility in a 2nd sport. Im not sure if you HAVE to have graduated to do this but pretty sure both Hogan and Paulus were indeed grad students when they took advantage of this. Jared Bernhardt who was one of the top lax players in the country for four seasons with Maryland was the starting quarterback this past season with D-2 national champion Ferris State. www.ferrisstatebulldogs.com/sports/fball/2021-22/bios/bernhardt_jared_rs6gCam Spencer's brother (4 X All American and Tewaaraton Award Winner, BTW) Pat did 4 years of lax at Loyola and went to Northwestern just a couple of years ago for a single and very successful graduate year in hoops. Now in the NBA G League. Amazing athlete.
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Post by hc2020 on Jan 23, 2022 14:21:20 GMT -5
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Post by sader1970 on Jan 23, 2022 15:59:57 GMT -5
Good! He obviously didn't want to play against Holy Cross next season. Good for him!
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Post by midwestsader05 on Jan 24, 2022 15:03:20 GMT -5
Good for Brekke! Chicago kid gets to play his grad year back in the Midwest. Also, Oxford OH a stone's throw from Dayton and Cinci. Better cities than Buffalo for a 23 year old college kid IMHO (although I haven't been to Buffalo in almost 20 years)
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Post by mm67 on Jan 24, 2022 15:40:55 GMT -5
The whole thing stinks!
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Post by longsuffering on Jan 24, 2022 15:55:32 GMT -5
Good for Brekke! Chicago kid gets to play his grad year back in the Midwest. Also, Oxford OH a stone's throw from Dayton and Cinci. Better cities than Buffalo for a 23 year old college kid IMHO (although I haven't been to Buffalo in almost 20 years) It hasn't changed.🙂
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Post by hc87 on Jan 24, 2022 16:29:20 GMT -5
Very good school too....congrats to Brekke. That would be a really good game for us some year....I get the thinking behind Buffalo, Northern Illinois (location/recruiting etc) but Miami (Ohio) is probably the closest institution in the MAC to Holy Cross institutionally etc.
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Post by rickii on Jan 28, 2022 16:56:54 GMT -5
Good for Brekke! Chicago kid gets to play his grad year back in the Midwest. Also, Oxford OH a stone's throw from Dayton and Cinci. Better cities than Buffalo for a 23 year old college kid IMHO (although I haven't been to Buffalo in almost 20 years) It hasn't changed.🙂 Knew a guy who once tripped over a stop sign on UB’s campus in February. He referred to the place as Ice Station Zebra🤪
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Feb 5, 2022 8:53:05 GMT -5
Don't believe this was posted.
From his Twitter, Marco Siderman has transferred to Tarleton State in Texas, and a member of the re-constituted WAC. Tarleton State re-classified to FCS several years ago.
NM State and Sam Houston State will leave the WAC after 2023 for Conference USA, and be replaced by Incarnate Word, U Texas Arlington, and Southern Utah University. So I believe this will allow the conference, with seven football-playing members, to retain an auto-bed. (Also Dixie State, a football-playing WAC member, is renaming itself to Utah Tech.)
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Post by midwestsader05 on Feb 5, 2022 10:37:17 GMT -5
Don't believe this was posted. From his Twitter, Marco Siderman has transferred to Tarleton State in Texas, and a member of the re-constituted WAC. Tarleton State re-classified to FCS several years ago. NM State and Sam Houston State will leave the WAC after 2023 for Conference USA, and be replaced by Incarnate Word, U Texas Arlington, and Southern Utah University. So I believe this will allow the conference, with seven football-playing members, to retain an auto-bed. (Also Dixie State, a football-playing WAC member, is renaming itself to Utah Tech.) I mentioned it in the "2022 Recruiting" thread when we were discussing how many more roster spots might be available.
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Post by hc87 on Feb 5, 2022 18:31:56 GMT -5
Too bad about Siderman...I can understand his wanting to play....but leave HC for Tarleton St.
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Post by rgs318 on Feb 5, 2022 18:35:26 GMT -5
I also have trouble with that move, but I do thank him for his contribution and wish him well in his new "home" and in the future.
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Post by longsuffering on Feb 5, 2022 19:43:01 GMT -5
On the other hand, the move is logical. Why transfer to a higher profile program just to sit or platoon again. Marco was the junior partner in the HC platoon which must be frustrating. It would be nice to find an FCS program of similar academic status, but how many were recruiting him as a transfer and serious candidate to start?
Perhaps he could have been accepted at a NESCAC academic level school with a chance to shine at QB for two years, but what if he harbors a faint hope of going from FCS to the pros like a Jimmy G or Tony Romo? He would never know if he could have.
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