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Post by sader1970 on Aug 10, 2021 15:35:56 GMT -5
Ouch! That's hard. You may have heard the story from Tom Gilmore that when he was going to UPenn, he thought he was actually going to Penn State until one of his frosh teammates set him straight. Tom explained that he came from a family of poor Irish immigrants and knew nothing about colleges and universities. Is it possible that some of these Holy Cross "University" offerees have similar backgrounds?
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Aug 10, 2021 17:00:33 GMT -5
Ouch! That's hard. You may have heard the story from Tom Gilmore that when he was going to UPenn, he thought he was actually going to Penn State until one of his frosh teammates set him straight. Tom explained that he came from a family of poor Irish immigrants and knew nothing about colleges and universities. Is it possible that some of these Holy Cross "University" offerees have similar backgrounds? And Gilmore grew up in Philadelphia! (Because of that, I tend to think this is a bit of an Irish tale.) I knew it was the University of Pennsylvania because I used the university's library in high school.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Aug 10, 2021 17:13:31 GMT -5
Comparing today's kids to when TG went to school is absurd.
If a kid is tweeting out an offer, he has the ability in his hand to look up the name of the school. Zero excuses to get it wrong.
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Post by sader1970 on Aug 10, 2021 17:16:23 GMT -5
I got to know Tom pretty well over his years at HC. He told me this story initially in a one-on-one conversation and I was there at a gathering when he told it to a small group years later. It was always told in the context of his less-than-affluent background and his naivete. He readily admitted he should have known better coming from Philly. He wasn't spinning a yarn nor proving he kissed the Blarney Stone.
I'm sure you've all also heard how he had no intention of going to college due to family financial limitations and never started the process until his high school football coach "sold" him to the UPenn football coach and they offered him a full scholarship which proved to be a good deal for the UPenn program.
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Post by newfieguy74 on Aug 10, 2021 18:55:57 GMT -5
Comparing today's kids to when TG went to school is absurd. If a kid is tweeting out an offer, he has the ability in his hand to look up the name of the school. Zero excuses to get it wrong. Top high school athletes are all coached/mentored how to handle recruiting, and that includes tweeting out that you're blessed, thrilled, honored, amazed, etc. when you get any offer, even when it's from East Overshoe College of Mining and Taxidermy. I assume Rule # 1 is, or should be: always get the name of the school right.
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Post by sader1970 on Aug 10, 2021 19:13:06 GMT -5
ACTP, I come from a long line of Holy Cross alums and am one as well. In my day, we just called it “Holy Cross” - no need to add “College.”
As I recall, and apologize in advance if I’m wrong, your relationship to Holy Cross is/was a business relationship, not alum, student, faculty, Board member.
Not sure why you are more upset about the misnaming than I am. It may be lazy on the part of the offerees but it is just possible there are sometimes a legitimate reason for the error.
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Post by hc2020 on Aug 10, 2021 19:59:50 GMT -5
I view an error like that as having a typo on your resume. Not a hanging offense for sure, but it suggests a certain level of sloppiness or lack of attention to details.
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Post by longsuffering on Aug 10, 2021 22:38:28 GMT -5
I've made worse faux pas, but what makes me wonder if this young man will be receiving a quarter of a mil in scholarship aid is his lack of impressive offers and the fact that there are two freshman and two sophomore (who have an extra Covid year of eligibility and only need to take one semester off to use it) QBs ahead of him.
Wouldn't full scholarships be reserved for those highly rated players we need to win a recruiting battle to get?
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Post by dharry13 on Aug 11, 2021 6:39:27 GMT -5
Just because he said offer doesn’t mean it’s full. It could be a partial or just an offer to be on the team. With his lack of offers I don’t see much in the way of scholarship money being thrown his way
That said - same could be said for first 3 recruits. Maybe they don’t have a ton of money to throw at this class in general because a lot of Seniors are coming back next year for a 5th year.
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Post by breezy on Aug 11, 2021 8:12:00 GMT -5
Just because he said offer doesn’t mean it’s full. It could be a partial or just an offer to be on the team..... ..Maybe they don’t have a ton of money to throw at this class in general because a lot of Seniors are coming back next year for a 5th year. I believe this is 100% correct. An offer could be a full scholarship, a partial scholarship, or a promise of a roster slot. And, if a significant number of seniors decide to return for a 5th year, it would mean that the current recruit class could be quite small. In a conversation with an assistant coach several years ago, I was given a single request. Paraphrasing, I was asked not to discuss whether a recruited player was offered or received a full scholarship or a partial scholarship. I have tried to honor that request and I do not want to speculate about the substance of an offer made to a prospective recruit. I do believe there have been instances of a player who initially received a partial scholarship being given an upgrade based on performance (e.g., a one-quarter scholarship to a half-scholarship or a half-scholarship to a full scholarship) but I do not know of any specifics or any specific case. Even if I did, I would not discuss it here. (In addition, I do not know the various possibilities for a partial scholarship. It need not be a quarter or a half or a three-quarter; Indeed, I am just guessing, but I imagine it could be something measured in any possible decimal points of a whole, most likely between .20 and .80.)
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Post by rgs318 on Aug 11, 2021 8:21:54 GMT -5
Well done, breezy!
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Post by dharry13 on Aug 11, 2021 9:26:49 GMT -5
Breezy in speaking with a prior coach you are correct. They don't just measure scholarships in .25/.50/.75/1
They get more granular than that. .27/.38/.72, etc. Each position at the beginning of recruiting year they try to ascertain the amount of scholarship money they want to spend at each position. During the recruiting cycle if a kid comes up they really want, they might take money from the original "budget" and move it to that kid they really want and need some more money for.
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Post by breezy on Aug 14, 2021 10:36:23 GMT -5
Offer # 46 --
DL OSAHON NORUWA, 6-4, 235, Curtis HS, Staten Island, NY.
Offers: Sacred Heart, Bryant, Fordham, UNH.
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Post by hchoops on Aug 14, 2021 11:00:38 GMT -5
Not many (any ?) Crusader footballers from Staten Island, esp from a public HS
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Post by hcpride on Aug 14, 2021 11:13:46 GMT -5
His brother, Osagie Noruwa, is a freshman OL at Brown.
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Post by breezy on Aug 15, 2021 9:51:28 GMT -5
This question relates to the 2021 roster and it may have some impact on 2022 recruiting.
The roster may be viewed as a List, a Grid, or Cards. In the List and Grid, each player's class (Fr., So., Jr., Sr.) is shown. But on the Cards, many (but not all) of the Juniors and Seniors as shown as "1st Year." I'm wondering if this is an indication that those who are "1st Year" will retain the same class when the 2022 roster is prepared.
If anyone has any information to confirm this or to offer a different interpretation, I'd be happy to hear from you (either on this board or by Private Message). Thanks.
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Post by HC92 on Aug 15, 2021 10:02:43 GMT -5
This question relates to the 2021 roster and it may have some impact on 2022 recruiting. The roster may be viewed as a List, a Grid, or Cards. In the List and Grid, each player's class (Fr., So., Jr., Sr.) is shown. But on the Cards, many (but not all) of the Juniors and Seniors as shown as "1st Year." I'm wondering if this is an indication that those who are "1st Year" will retain the same class when the 2022 roster is prepared. If anyone has any information to confirm this or to offer a different interpretation, I'd be happy to hear from you (either on this board or by Private Message). Thanks. Noah Johnson is a guy who will be playing his 5th year this Fall and his card says “1st Year” so that can’t be it. Maybe that denotes someone who could be eligible for an extra year and includes those in their extra year. There are only 7 juniors and seniors who do not have the “1st Year” designation right now. We should figure it out soon as I suspect those designations on the cards may disappear shortly.
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Post by dharry13 on Aug 26, 2021 15:10:24 GMT -5
The world of recruiting in a nutshell. Not an easy game.
Nasir Hill - listed Buffalo and HC as his final two. Within a week of that he lists offers from Elon and Cambell. Then commits to Princeton today. I certainly don't blame him for his final choice, but jeez - not easy.
Not sure too many of their 46 offers are left on the board at this point.
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Post by dharry13 on Sept 7, 2021 8:30:46 GMT -5
Sekou Roland off the board to Princeton. Not really sure who's left of the players they offered in this class and who they are actively recruiting. The only 2 I've seen are the OL from Iowa and Griffin LaRue.
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Post by dharry13 on Sept 12, 2021 19:17:30 GMT -5
Commit 4 - DE Osahun Noruwa. DE - 6’4/235 from NY
Offers from SHU, Bryant, UNH, Fordham and Lafayette
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Post by rgs318 on Sept 12, 2021 19:25:18 GMT -5
Whenever I see someone listed as a DE, I immediately wonder about his speed and his quickness. With those two things, size (height/wioght) can become less important. They are never listed as stats, but can be seen, at times, in videos. Welcome, Osahun . May you enjoy your years in Purple and as a Crusader!
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Post by ignatius on Sept 13, 2021 7:16:10 GMT -5
Another one in the boat…
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Post by midwestsader05 on Sept 13, 2021 9:45:55 GMT -5
Wow…Osahon is absolutely yoked for a HS senior. Also appears to be a good athlete after a quick glance at his Twitter feed. Hopefully, he gives us that edge rush presence we are lacking in our base 4 man front defense. Also, since I watch the edge play very closely, I think I can help add some color to this. As others have noted (especially against MC on Saturday) but also against more talented O-lines, our D-line (and defense more broadly) isn’t capable of getting pressure without blitzing from the LB’s and/or secondary which good QB’s and supporting casts can adjust to. My take is that our D-Ends for the past 3 years (BW and Dan Kuz) are both strong players pound for pound, but are better at setting the edge and disrupting the run game than they are as pure pass rushers. Many were hoping BW could evolve into this presence but he hasn’t against the better O-lines we play. Dan Kuz actually has more sacks and TFL’s than BW over the past 2+ seasons. Both are still two of the top DE’s ends in the PL and All Conference players. Here is why IMO, the best pass rushers I played with and against have many years of experience at that position. They played this position at big time High School’s with really good coaching against really good competition. This is why I said back in 2019 that Thomas Kiessling had the potential to be a huge disruptor off the edge after watching his technique and abilities as a freshman. Playing at St. Xavier (OH), he went against many FBS level Offensive Tackles (either in practice) or in games for 3 years. This is some of the best football in the greater Cincinnati area and even all of OH. Hopefully, he can get back to close to 100% healthy and chooses to play 2 full seasons utilizing all of his eligibility. Granted, BW has now had at least 4 years playing DE with his hand on the ground but is a converted LB. He does really well against the bottom half of the PL but is less productive against the better offenses on our schedule. This is not a knock against BW because I personally know how this feels and had the same type of production at HC. I had never played OLB or DE until I arrived on the Hill. The consistently three best O-lines we faced during my tenure were Harvard, Yale and Lafayette. After a quick memory scan, I had only 1 sack and 3 TFL’s in 8 games collectively played against these teams. Conversely, against the 3 bottom tier O-lines we faced (Georgetown, Dartmouth and Bucknell), I had 7 sacks and ~10 TFLs in 8 games played. I bring this up only to add some detail to what I’m looking for in the type of defensive players we are recruiting and developing. Chesney and his D-Coordinators like bringing in fast/athletic players and then “bulking them up” a position. I think this works very well for collegiate Linebackers like Dobbs and Anderson that played Safety in HS. The most productive defensive player in my class was also a LB that was a converted DB. However, I am much less convinced this works along the Defensive Line. Again, just my humble opinion.
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Post by Xmassader on Sept 19, 2021 23:07:19 GMT -5
Based on the performance of our three starters from the Detroit Catholic League’s Central Division-Luke Newman (Birmingham Brother Rice), Jacob Dobbs (Warren DeLaSalle) and Walter Reynolds (Detroit U-D Jesuit), I’m hopeful that HCBC and his staff will land a few more recruits from that talent-rich pool. In the past, we’ve had players from those 3 schools as well as from Detroit Catholic Central (Pete Dankert, Chris Kovath) and Orchard Lake St. Mary’s (Stefan Stration) the other two members of the Central Division. These five schools play a high caliber brand of football and have many players who are good students and athletes.
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Post by dharry13 on Oct 4, 2021 7:14:30 GMT -5
OL Kilstrom off of the board - committed to Harvard.
Really not sure who they are actively recruiting at this point.
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