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Post by pegleg on May 13, 2021 8:02:12 GMT -5
Gentlemen: A brief reminder that today is the feast of the Solemnity of the Ascension, a Holy Day of Obligation. Keep the faith, men!
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Post by princetoncrusader on May 13, 2021 8:30:53 GMT -5
Not in NJ as the Bishops have moved the feast day to Sunday.
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Post by Tom on May 13, 2021 9:39:35 GMT -5
Ascension Thursday is on a Sunday??? Just doesn't sound right
Clowning aside, seems kind of strange. I thought the holy days of obligation were set by the national council of bishops. I know bishops can relax rules as they see fit (in Worcester, the "obligation" to attend Mass has been waived since March of 2020 (waiver was supposed to end with Easter of 2021, not sure if it did)). Seems odd that one state would relax the rule when others don't. I assume the other dioceses in NJ just followed the lead of the archdiocese.
Sounds kind of like the Epiphany. Never a holy day of obligation but now celebrated on Sunday after New Years. On the secular side, see MLK day and Memorial Day
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Post by Crucis#1 on May 13, 2021 10:36:25 GMT -5
I wonder how many under the age of 50 in the United States, pay attention to the obligation days on the liturgical calendars?
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Post by newfieguy74 on May 13, 2021 13:42:35 GMT -5
Gentlemen: A brief reminder that today is the feast of the Solemnity of the Ascension, a Holy Day of Obligation. Keep the faith, men! I've kept the faith, it's just gone in a different direction.
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Post by rgs318 on May 13, 2021 15:13:25 GMT -5
NJ (at least the Archdiocese of Newark) is observing the Ascension on Sunday. Yes, on a Sunday.
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Post by rgs318 on May 13, 2021 15:22:29 GMT -5
"The Bishops of the Province of Newark, which encompasses the dioceses of the state of New Jersey, have decided that for this year, the feast of the Ascension will be celebrated on the weekend of May 15 and 16, instead of Thursday, May 13. Your Ascension envelopes are to be used on that weekend. Please discard the one dated the 7th Sunday of Easter."
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Post by Crucis#1 on May 13, 2021 16:39:12 GMT -5
Thanks for starting this thread Pegleg. It has been a long day, and this topic has provided some reflection.
Starting to get a bit long in the tooth.....and it has been more than a couple of weeks since I studied the Baltimore Catechism.....
After reading some of the previous comments I started to ponder......the theological reason that the Ascension is celebrated on a Thursday? The answer, which I am sure will escape the vast majority.... It is because the Ascension occurred 40 days after Easter.
I wonder how many Catholics under the age of 50, are even aware of the importance of the day? From Medieval times through the reformation and until the 1960’s, The Days of Obligation to attend Mass were days of celebration and feasting as a holiday (Holy Day). The days provided a respite for the common laborers to spend with their families. Now for many, only Christmas and Easter are liturgical days that now clearly stand out. It is an issue that the Church in the 21st century will have to evaluate how to commemorate effectively, as the episcopal pronouncements are largely ignored by the populace. The use of the term “Feast Day” in the 21st century sounds anachronistic. I remember the Nuns in my Grammar School in the 1950’s mentioning Feast Days, and even then, over 60 years ago, the term seem outdated.
Waiting to see if we now have more comments than if HC should have joined the Big East.🙂
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Post by rgs318 on May 13, 2021 16:43:20 GMT -5
Clearly HC should've had those connected with hoops attend Mass and pray for a Big East entry...perhaps on Ascension Thursday so we could be blessed and move "higher."
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Post by CHC8485 on May 13, 2021 19:29:18 GMT -5
Regardless of the day of the week it is celebrated, Fr. Martin offers an interesting, and not often thought about, perspective on the significance of the Ascension
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on May 13, 2021 20:39:41 GMT -5
Interesting picture
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Post by longsuffering on May 13, 2021 21:07:10 GMT -5
Ascension Thursday is on a Sunday??? Just doesn't sound right Clowning aside, seems kind of strange. I thought the holy days of obligation were set by the national council of bishops. I know bishops can relax rules as they see fit (in Worcester, the "obligation" to attend Mass has been waived since March of 2020 (waiver was supposed to end with Easter of 2021, not sure if it did)). Seems odd that one state would relax the rule when others don't. I assume the other dioceses in NJ just followed the lead of the archdiocese. Sounds kind of like the Epiphany. Never a holy day of obligation but now celebrated on Sunday after New Years. On the secular side, see MLK day and Memorial Day I start wearing my straw hat on May 31 whether it is the Monday holiday or not, and put it back in it's box on Labor Day.
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Post by Tom on May 14, 2021 7:45:51 GMT -5
Thanks for starting this thread Pegleg. It has been a long day, and this topic has provided some reflection. Starting to get a bit long in the tooth.....and it has been more than a couple of weeks since I studied the Baltimore Catechism..... After reading some of the previous comments I started to ponder......the theological reason that the Ascension is celebrated on a Thursday? The answer, which I am sure will escape the vast majority.... It is because the Ascension occurred 40 days after Easter. I wonder how many Catholics under the age of 50, are even aware of the importance of the day? From Medieval times through the reformation and until the 1960’s, The Days of Obligation to attend Mass were days of celebration and feasting as a holiday (Holy Day). The days provided a respite for the common laborers to spend with their families. Now for many, only Christmas and Easter are liturgical days that now clearly stand out. It is an issue that the Church in the 21st century will have to evaluate how to commemorate effectively, as the episcopal pronouncements are largely ignored by the populace. The use of the term “Feast Day” in the 21st century sounds anachronistic. I remember the Nuns in my Grammar School in the 1950’s mentioning Feast Days, and even then, over 60 years ago, the term seem outdated. Waiting to see if we now have more comments than if HC should have joined the Big East.🙂 - Other than Christmas, I don't think many people pay attention to the holy days of obligation. In my parish, you're likely to have a bigger crowd on Ash Wednesday than on the Ascension - It seems like almost every day in the year is a feast day for something in the Catholic Church - Not "liturgical" in the sense of participating in public worship, but a religious based holiday that stands out more than Easter is Thanksgiving. Lots of feasting that day too - I always thought traditional Memorial Day was May 30. I think Longsuffering should be allowed to put on his straw hat a day early
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Post by alum on May 14, 2021 7:56:07 GMT -5
- I always thought traditional Memorial Day was May 30. I think Longsuffering should be allowed to put on his straw hat a day earlyDropped my seersucker suit off at the dry cleaner on the way to work this morning. I have the white bucks, but maybe this year, I will buy a boater to wear with it. On the original topic, do you think that the "obligation" in "holy day of obligation" makes it seem like work and not something to be celebrated?
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Post by rgs318 on May 14, 2021 8:42:17 GMT -5
For most of my lifetime, people who go to Mass do so because they choose to go...not because they are obligated to do so. When Bishops announced that during the pandemic the faithful were no longer obligated to go to Sunday Mass or to observe Holy Days of Obligation, I swear I heard a huge yawn of indifference. It was a good thought but I am not sure the hierarchy realizes how their authority has been eroded over the years.
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Post by WCHC Sports on May 14, 2021 12:33:50 GMT -5
I wonder how many under the age of 50 in the United States, pay attention to the obligation days on the liturgical calendars? How many people under 50 still go to Church in the United States?
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Post by WCHC Sports on May 14, 2021 12:34:32 GMT -5
Thanks for starting this thread Pegleg. It has been a long day, and this topic has provided some reflection. Starting to get a bit long in the tooth.....and it has been more than a couple of weeks since I studied the Baltimore Catechism..... After reading some of the previous comments I started to ponder......the theological reason that the Ascension is celebrated on a Thursday? The answer, which I am sure will escape the vast majority.... It is because the Ascension occurred 40 days after Easter. I wonder how many Catholics under the age of 50, are even aware of the importance of the day? From Medieval times through the reformation and until the 1960’s, The Days of Obligation to attend Mass were days of celebration and feasting as a holiday (Holy Day). The days provided a respite for the common laborers to spend with their families. Now for many, only Christmas and Easter are liturgical days that now clearly stand out. It is an issue that the Church in the 21st century will have to evaluate how to commemorate effectively, as the episcopal pronouncements are largely ignored by the populace. The use of the term “Feast Day” in the 21st century sounds anachronistic. I remember the Nuns in my Grammar School in the 1950’s mentioning Feast Days, and even then, over 60 years ago, the term seem outdated. Waiting to see if we now have more comments than if HC should have joined the Big East.🙂 - Other than Christmas, I don't think many people pay attention to the holy days of obligation. In my parish, you're likely to have a bigger crowd on Ash Wednesday than on the Ascension Have always heard about the A&P Catholics: Ashes and Palms. Less so about the Assumption and Ascension Fans.
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Post by hchoops on May 14, 2021 12:43:59 GMT -5
How about those who attend only to be Hatched Matched And dispatched
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Post by rgs318 on May 14, 2021 13:14:40 GMT -5
Our son was married at a Victorian home in NY State by a retired priest. That was how the good Father described his job now...seeing that Catholics could still be hatched (baptism), matched (matrimony) and dispatched (final anointing / funerals) with a Church representative present...and without the need to follow all diocesan rules.
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