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Post by nycrusader2010 on May 18, 2021 18:28:45 GMT -5
THERE ARE NO CASUAL LOCAL FANS ANYMORE WHEN IT COMES TO LOW-LEVEL FCS FOOTBALL. Filling a stadium is a function of ginning up turnout from alum and fans of the schools involved. There are casual fans for an EVENT. That’s what this will be. An EVENT. My experience is people like them. Especially when they are in a unique setting with access to good food and drinks. And BTW who said there will be no tailgating - didn’t read that anywhere. Surface lots directly across from the stadium look like they would be perfect for that. It will be an EVENT that will 99% draw from the existing pool of HC and Colgate supporters and alum. And no, just because Georgetown is a Big East school, I dont think any locals will be hoodwinked into the belief that a national football power is coming to town...
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Post by nycrusader2010 on May 18, 2021 18:31:24 GMT -5
Doubtful. The casual fan Worc market is a "name" school fan. 80% of the region would think they were going to basketball game, and 90% likely don't even know Gtown has a FB program. This would hurt attendance - trust me. 'gate is second best home opponent "name" after Harvard. If you took a random poll of Worcesterites and asked them who has a better football team, Georgetown or Sam Houston State (the team that just won the championship), the majority would probably say Georgetown. I think the more likely answer would be "must be a trick question. Georgetown doesn't have a Division I football team."
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Post by DFW HOYA on May 18, 2021 18:38:41 GMT -5
I think the more likely answer would be "must be a trick question. Georgetown doesn't have a Division I football team." Why the vitriol? Georgetown has been playing football since 1874 and is no more or less visible than Fordham football (at least until its date in Lincoln this fall). Does Fordham have a Division I football team? There has always been an element of the HC fan base that doesn't want Georgetown in the PL, for grievances unrelated to the field of play. If you agree, petition the College to vote them out at the 2021 presidents meeting, whereupon Georgetown can move to the NEC.
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Post by longsuffering on May 18, 2021 18:48:16 GMT -5
If both Woo Sox and HC season ticket holders will have first dibs on tickets and HC reserves a good amount for the family weekend participants and other students and faculty/staff and the park actually seats a lot less than the 10,000 that was initially associated with the project, that doesn't leave too many ducats for the community. Oh what’s the real capacity? I have heard 9600 but sounds like you have better info. Appreciate you setting things straight. The "seating" capacity is 9508 but only a little more than 6000 in fixed seats. Sitting on blankets on the hill beyond the outfield wall and standing room are factored into the 9508 figure I believe.
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Post by hcgrad94 on May 18, 2021 18:52:40 GMT -5
Pretty sure the park is designed to circulate and mingle on the concourse. Sounds fun to me. Anyone who was at Yankee Stadium game enjoyed that aspect. My guess is there will be 9600 fans having a great time at the park that night
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Post by hcgrad94 on May 18, 2021 18:54:14 GMT -5
There are casual fans for an EVENT. That’s what this will be. An EVENT. My experience is people like them. Especially when they are in a unique setting with access to good food and drinks. And BTW who said there will be no tailgating - didn’t read that anywhere. Surface lots directly across from the stadium look like they would be perfect for that. It will be an EVENT that will 99% draw from the existing pool of HC and Colgate supporters and alum. And no, just because Georgetown is a Big East school, I dont think any locals will be hoodwinked into the belief that a national football power is coming to town... Could be, but I bet there are more casual fans there that night. Chesney is a presence in Worcester and even casual football fans know what he is doing. 600 start time also draws in a very different crowd.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on May 18, 2021 18:56:10 GMT -5
I think the more likely answer would be "must be a trick question. Georgetown doesn't have a Division I football team." Why the vitriol? Georgetown has been playing football since 1874 and is no more or less visible than Fordham football (at least until its date in Lincoln this fall). Does Fordham have a Division I football team? There has always been an element of the HC fan base that doesn't want Georgetown in the PL, for grievances unrelated to the field of play. If you agree, petition the College to vote them out at the 2021 presidents meeting, whereupon Georgetown can move to the NEC. I am one of those that enjoy Georgetown being in the Patriot League. I'm glad you guys have been able to be somewhat competitive in conference recently in spite of the lack of scholarships and mighty AI challenges you've educated us about.
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Post by thecrossisback on May 18, 2021 18:58:51 GMT -5
I think the more likely answer would be "must be a trick question. Georgetown doesn't have a Division I football team." Why the vitriol? Georgetown has been playing football since 1874 and is no more or less visible than Fordham football (at least until its date in Lincoln this fall). Does Fordham have a Division I football team? There has always been an element of the HC fan base that doesn't want Georgetown in the PL, for grievances unrelated to the field of play. If you agree, petition the College to vote them out at the 2021 presidents meeting, whereupon Georgetown can move to the NEC. I agree the idea that people won’t go because of the opponent is so stupid. If they won’t go because of the opponent it’s not worth wasting time worrying about them. HC has just won 2 championships in a row. With regards to capacity they are still not done working around that park yet. Also if that is a bleacher behind the Colgate sideline that will add a lot of seats.
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Post by trimster on May 18, 2021 19:13:21 GMT -5
Why the vitriol? Georgetown has been playing football since 1874 and is no more or less visible than Fordham football (at least until its date in Lincoln this fall). Does Fordham have a Division I football team? There has always been an element of the HC fan base that doesn't want Georgetown in the PL, for grievances unrelated to the field of play. If you agree, petition the College to vote them out at the 2021 presidents meeting, whereupon Georgetown can move to the NEC. I agree the idea that people won’t go because of the opponent is so stupid. If they won’t go because of the opponent it’s not worth wasting time worrying about them. HC has just won 2 championships in a row. With regards to capacity they are still not done working around that park yet. Also if that is a bleacher behind the Colgate sideline that will add a lot of seats. It appeared to me all of the seating that was planned for the park is in place.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on May 18, 2021 19:25:16 GMT -5
Huh? A casual fan from Worcester is more likely to recognize the Colgate brand than Georgetown, a national school famous for being in the Big East? I bet a lot of casual Worcester fans who don't follow HC/the pL don't even know Colgate is a college and/or has a D1 football team. If you took a random poll of Worcesterites and asked them who has a better football team, Georgetown or Sam Houston State (the team that just won the championship), the majority would probably say Georgetown. I bet a lot of people in Worcester don't know Holy Cross has a D-1 football team. I hope you will one day exorcize your animus for Holy Cross. It is not healthy
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Post by trimster on May 18, 2021 19:26:19 GMT -5
THERE ARE NO CASUAL LOCAL FANS ANYMORE WHEN IT COMES TO LOW-LEVEL FCS FOOTBALL. Filling a stadium is a function of ginning up turnout from alum and fans of the schools involved. There are casual fans for an EVENT. That’s what this will be. An EVENT. My experience is people like them. Especially when they are in a unique setting with access to good food and drinks. And BTW who said there will be no tailgating - didn’t read that anywhere. Surface lots directly across from the stadium look like they would be perfect for that. You mean the lots with heavy equipment in them. Maybe one project will be done, parking garage?, but I am going to guess others will be under construction. Best bet for tailgating might be to set up a big top in the parking lot between St. John’s Church and the hockey rink. Of course the ship at the Hotel Vernon in Kelley Square is only minutes away.
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Post by deep Purple on May 18, 2021 19:47:46 GMT -5
There seems to be room for portable stands on the Colgate side.
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Post by trimster on May 18, 2021 19:55:54 GMT -5
Huh? A casual fan from Worcester is more likely to recognize the Colgate brand than Georgetown, a national school famous for being in the Big East? I bet a lot of casual Worcester fans who don't follow HC/the pL don't even know Colgate is a college and/or has a D1 football team. If you took a random poll of Worcesterites and asked them who has a better football team, Georgetown or Sam Houston State (the team that just won the championship), the majority would probably say Georgetown. I bet a lot of people in Worcester don't know Holy Cross has a D-1 football team. Even worse, there are a good number who know HC has a D1 athletic program and don’t care.
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Post by joe on May 18, 2021 19:58:47 GMT -5
I’m just glad we’re finally good enough in football that this topic and scoreboard manufacturer contracts are what we’re debating. These are good signs.
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Post by DiMarz on May 18, 2021 20:02:35 GMT -5
Parking will not be a big problem. There are many lots and garages within a 10 minute walk of Polar Park.. AND the walk is on basically FLAT paths. It is a much easier walk than a stroll up the hill to the Hart area at HC for parking.. There are a lot of eateries now in the Canal District, from burgers to every other food group, there are good choices..Polar Park is using “golf carts” as free shuttles for those in need of a ride, they cruise the area offering rides.. When the field was designed, it had the football/soccer field designed into the layout.. The blue facade was chosen to reflect Worcester, and came from open meetings the designers had in Worcester before the design started. No Green Monster, fans wanted their own fingerprint.. The WooSox owners listened to the fans ideas, local long time restaurants are part of the stadium, Coney Island hot dogs, wonder Bar pizza, BT’s BBQ and local craft beers are all there to enjoy. The stadium has been very well accepted by the people of Worcester County, and is receiving rave reviews from the AAA players..
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Post by longsuffering on May 18, 2021 20:14:31 GMT -5
I think the more likely answer would be "must be a trick question. Georgetown doesn't have a Division I football team." Why the vitriol? Georgetown has been playing football since 1874 and is no more or less visible than Fordham football (at least until its date in Lincoln this fall). Does Fordham have a Division I football team? There has always been an element of the HC fan base that doesn't want Georgetown in the PL, for grievances unrelated to the field of play. If you agree, petition the College to vote them out at the 2021 presidents meeting, whereupon Georgetown can move to the NEC. I like having Georgetown and Fordham in the PL.
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Post by bringbackcaro on May 18, 2021 20:17:43 GMT -5
Huh? A casual fan from Worcester is more likely to recognize the Colgate brand than Georgetown, a national school famous for being in the Big East? I bet a lot of casual Worcester fans who don't follow HC/the pL don't even know Colgate is a college and/or has a D1 football team. If you took a random poll of Worcesterites and asked them who has a better football team, Georgetown or Sam Houston State (the team that just won the championship), the majority would probably say Georgetown. "Casual fans from Worcester" aren't going to this game. Unless they're inaugural WooSox season ticket holders that maybe get an email about it. Wrong. For the same reason why Polar Park will be drawing thousands of people every night who normally couldn't care less about minor league baseball and/or name a single player in the Red Sox farm system, the HC game will draw football fans from Worcester who want to have a fun night out in the city.
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Post by longsuffering on May 18, 2021 20:25:01 GMT -5
Who will be sitting in the club seats and luxury boxes? A good chance for some conspicuous consumption. Will those be sold by the college to it's supporters or are those controlled by the corporate sponsors of the Woo Sox with right of first refusal for all events?
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on May 18, 2021 20:33:18 GMT -5
Parking will not be a big problem. There are many lots and garages within a 10 minute walk of Polar Park.. AND the walk is on basically FLAT paths. It is a much easier walk than a stroll up the hill to the Hart area at HC for parking.. There are a lot of eateries now in the Canal District, from burgers to every other food group, there are good choices..Polar Park is using “golf carts” as free shuttles for those in need of a ride, they cruise the area offering rides.. When the field was designed, it had the football/soccer field designed into the layout.. The blue facade was chosen to reflect Worcester, and came from open meetings the designers had in Worcester before the design started. No Green Monster, fans wanted their own fingerprint.. The WooSox owners listened to the fans ideas, local long time restaurants are part of the stadium, Coney Island hot dogs, wonder Bar pizza, BT’s BBQ and local craft beers are all there to enjoy. The stadium has been very well accepted by the people of Worcester County, and is receiving rave reviews from the AAA players.. Nice recap of the appealing features of the ballpark experience. The cruising golf carts are a great idea and seniors in particular should be happy to take a ride. I hope the park sells out every baseball game and that the Crusaders pummel Colgate by 4 TD's before an SRO crowd
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Post by longsuffering on May 18, 2021 20:59:37 GMT -5
Parking will not be a big problem. There are many lots and garages within a 10 minute walk of Polar Park.. AND the walk is on basically FLAT paths. It is a much easier walk than a stroll up the hill to the Hart area at HC for parking.. There are a lot of eateries now in the Canal District, from burgers to every other food group, there are good choices..Polar Park is using “golf carts” as free shuttles for those in need of a ride, they cruise the area offering rides.. When the field was designed, it had the football/soccer field designed into the layout.. The blue facade was chosen to reflect Worcester, and came from open meetings the designers had in Worcester before the design started. No Green Monster, fans wanted their own fingerprint.. The WooSox owners listened to the fans ideas, local long time restaurants are part of the stadium, Coney Island hot dogs, wonder Bar pizza, BT’s BBQ and local craft beers are all there to enjoy. The stadium has been very well accepted by the people of Worcester County, and is receiving rave reviews from the AAA players.. Speaking of AAA players, outfielder John Andreoli has been called up by the San Diego Padres. I thought at age 30 after losing a season to Covid, he would probably hang up his glove, but he's still playing. I admire that grit.
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Post by Crucis#1 on May 18, 2021 21:03:40 GMT -5
Is there a reason not wanting to see the Southbridge Street corridor be in future plans for improvement, since the canal district is adjacent? The city can provide economic incentives to the current businesses, as well use a thoughtful process to attract new core businesses. The street has been distressed for over the last 60 years. The city should make incremental changes regarding landscaping to the corridor from Miss Woo to I 290. It can be developed, but it has been neglected. The corridor can be made into a 21st century incubator industrial park, that will provide jobs to the citizens of Worcester, instead of a hodgepodge of marginal businesses and abandoned lots. you answered my question if the street is as you described it. Flourishing but ugly enterprises are a different matter. Have you driven Southbridge St from the Miss Woo to HC in the last couple of years? I would not describe it as flourishing. I remember several Enterprises that were pretty seedy that you would not take a family member. Certainly would cause concern for parents on their first college tours to see HC.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on May 18, 2021 23:34:46 GMT -5
you answered my question if the street is as you described it. Flourishing but ugly enterprises are a different matter. Have you driven Southbridge St from the Miss Woo to HC in the last couple of years? I would not describe it as flourishing. I remember several Enterprises that were pretty seedy that you would not take a family member. Certainly would cause concern for parents on their first college tours to see HC. Are you talking about really objectionable places like country music bars, soccer clubs. or stock car racing clubs--things that bad?
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Post by football44 on May 19, 2021 4:27:15 GMT -5
I think the more likely answer would be "must be a trick question. Georgetown doesn't have a Division I football team." Why the vitriol? Georgetown has been playing football since 1874 and is no more or less visible than Fordham football (at least until its date in Lincoln this fall). Does Fordham have a Division I football team? There has always been an element of the HC fan base that doesn't want Georgetown in the PL, for grievances unrelated to the field of play. If you agree, petition the College to vote them out at the 2021 presidents meeting, whereupon Georgetown can move to the NEC. DFW HOYA I’m one of the ones that has a problem with Georgetown being in the Patriot League. I feel the same way towards Army and Navy. Why because each of these institutions conveniently uses the Patriot League when it suits them. When was the last time Georgetown basketball invited Holy Cross to play. We have to beg Army and Navy to play us in football but they show up for all of the other sports. No vitriol just fact. Back when I played Georgetown was a club football team.
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Post by hcgrad94 on May 19, 2021 5:03:01 GMT -5
There are casual fans for an EVENT. That’s what this will be. An EVENT. My experience is people like them. Especially when they are in a unique setting with access to good food and drinks. And BTW who said there will be no tailgating - didn’t read that anywhere. Surface lots directly across from the stadium look like they would be perfect for that. You mean the lots with heavy equipment in them. Maybe one project will be done, parking garage?, but I am going to guess others will be under construction. Best bet for tailgating might be to set up a big top in the parking lot between St. John’s Church and the hockey rink. Of course the ship at the Hotel Vernon in Kelley Square is only minutes away. No I actually mean the lots recently grassed over that will one day be built on but as of October will be wide open and usable for tailgating. Those lots.
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Post by hc6774 on May 19, 2021 6:09:05 GMT -5
I bet a lot of people in Worcester don't know Holy Cross has a D-1 football team. I hope you will one day exorcize your animus for Holy Cross. It is not healthy I think they still play hs football in the city & surrounding towns... a just a few play at night. I would not be surprised if packages were offered to hs coaches
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